aristocrat Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Good luck but be careful, there is a lot of sugar in the kool-aid. Lol he wrote an article mother of god. Biden wrote the 86 drug bill and the 94 crime bill both of which are huge reasons if not the reasons the blm movement exists today. When comparing which guy has done more damage to minorities you can’t even come close to arguing trump had done 1 percent the damage Biden’s bills did to the minority community in this country. Congrats on being a hypocrite. Trump has a lot of faults but Biden’s history is so bad it’s laughable 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 minute ago, HamSandwhich said: Media driven Trump hate Giving the people what they want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 minute ago, HamSandwhich said: Media driven Trump hate Trump driven Trump hate! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 minute ago, HamSandwhich said: Media driven Trump hate He really does nothing to help his own cause. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 38 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Very Alex Jones for a scientific man like yourself. We can put money on it if you'd like. 37 minutes ago, Tiberius said: To voters? This is an election ya know? And he could have tried to acutually of been of help, but he made things worse and killed people There ya go! With that message being trumpeted, empathy would have meant jack squat. 35 minutes ago, Muppy said: I don't think this is a perception though. Just by virtue of he refusing to wear masks or even advocate for their use, having rallies with no social distancing, downplaying the seriousness of the epidemic, wishing it away with warm weather, all the statements in contradiction to his own medical experts while the virus rages and is on an upswing as I type this......Donald Trump DID handles the corona virus scourge badly I don't think it is even debatable The majority of people wearing masks got the virus. Fauci initially claimed masks didn't work and then reversed course. As for social distancing, it was not only not practiced at rallies, but at the protests/riots and in many communities who don't listen to Trump. 25 minutes ago, Muppy said: saying that Joe Biden won't survive his term is in the poorest of taste. Is he elderly Yes. Is he in apparent good health? Yes. Are we all mortal? Yes. clearly we will all die some day. But to say he won't finish his term isn't in your wisdom to announce and if nothing else its bad karma. How'd you like that being said abut Trump? About your father lets say.........poor taste. I never said he'd die. I'm talking continued mental decline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 I can’t wait to use “but, but, Trump” for the next 4 years!!! 😂😂😂 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Lol he wrote an article mother of god. Biden wrote the 86 drug bill and the 94 crime bill both of which are huge reasons if not the reasons the blm movement exists today. When comparing which guy has done more damage to minorities you can’t even come close to arguing trump had done 1 percent the damage Biden’s bills did to the minority community in this country. Congrats on being a hypocrite. Trump has a lot of faults but Biden’s history is so bad it’s laughable Who in '86 and '94 thought those bills were a bad idea? Is everyone who voted for them a racist hypocrite? 4 minutes ago, Doc said: We can put money on it if you'd like. Only the pathetic offer to wager on the death of another human being. Get bent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Who in '86 and '94 thought those bills were a bad idea? Is everyone who voted for them a racist hypocrite? Only the pathetic offer to wager on the death of another human being. Get bent. So are you saying that because it was a good idea at the time it’s still a good idea? That’s every response I get when bringing it up. It seemed like a good idea at the top so it’s ok it ended up having devastating effects on the minorities in the country. Yes just like you said anybody supporting trump was a card carrying member of the kkk. You are now a complete racist for supporting Biden and the damage he’s responsible for that he has admitted to being wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, aristocrat said: So are you saying that because it was a good idea at the time it’s still a good idea? I asked you two questions and you refused to answer either. You then went on to slander me. 4 minutes ago, aristocrat said: You are now a complete racist for supporting Biden and the damage he’s responsible for that he has admitted to being wrong. I'll ask again, kindly. 12 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Who in '86 and '94 thought those bills were a bad idea? Is everyone who voted for them a racist hypocrite? Edited November 6, 2020 by wAcKy ZeBrA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Only the pathetic offer to wager on the death of another human being. Get bent. Point out where I ever said death, snowflake. But in any case, I'll put you down for "no bet." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 24 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: I asked you two questions and you refused to answer either. You then went on to slander me. I'll ask again, kindly. yes people thought it was a great idea at the time. Obvious it passed so it was. that doesn’t negate the fact that it ended up having dire consequences for minorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, aristocrat said: yes people thought it was a great idea at the time. Obvious it passed so it was. Indeed 18 minutes ago, aristocrat said: that doesn’t negate the fact that it ended up having dire consequences for minorities. Of course not. There is still a question you didn't answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) Very happy to see Mitt Romney break rank and make a stand for the very integrity of our democratic process. Edited November 6, 2020 by ChevyVanMiller 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Q-baby! said: I can’t wait to use “but, but, Trump” for the next 4 years!!! 😂😂😂 Republicans under Obama - he rules under executive order Republican under Trump - please issue more executive orders Republican under Biden - don’t you dare use an executive order 16 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: This was a very close election... Was it? Looking more like 306 for Joe. Trump called that a landslide! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Indeed Of course not. There is still a question you didn't answer. i already answered it. yes, in fact everyone who voted for him indeed is a racist hypocrite 14 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Indeed Of course not. There is still a question you didn't answer. how about you admit that the consequences from the bills he passed had devastating results for the minorities which are far worse than trump has ever even close to have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 hour ago, HamSandwhich said: Media driven Trump hate Only in your own mind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, aristocrat said: i already answered it. yes, in fact everyone who voted for him indeed is a racist hypocrite Not sure you read the question correctly. Edited November 6, 2020 by wAcKy ZeBrA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Crayola64 said: both bases came out strong and in unprecedented numbers. So both candidates should be applauded imo I think the unprecedented numbers actually have less to do with radical left or right platforms. I think it came down to strong feelings about which presidential candidate folks felt could best lead the country - so less about platform and more about personality and who folks aligned with. I think that drove center-left and center-right folks to vote in numbers that have not been seen before. If you remove the radical elements, it was a grand display of democratic voting principal just in regards to the sheer volume of turnout. Edited November 7, 2020 by WideNine 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said: Not sure you read the question correctly. what question then? you have failed to even acknowledge the effects the bill had on people and have turned this into some game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: Yes, many states had very tight races. 2016 was decided by about 70,000 votes over a couple states. Winner got 306 EC votes and lost the popular and said it was a landslide. 2020 the margins are going to higher in the handful of states, winner looks like they’ll get 306 EC votes but will win the popular vote by 4,000,000+. If we’re using 2016 logic to determine if an election is a landslide or not, then this election is clearly in the landslide category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: I've watched many election nights, seems close to me. So, dunno... Presidential election nights are all I pay much attention to however. For the most part I find politics an annoyance. I think if politicians were better people I'd have more intetest. The Catch 22 here is that maybe if you (and all Americans) were more involved in politics, especially local, we'd have better politicians. The crooks and psychopaths get in because they are able to scam the system because so few people pay attention. The politicians arent going to get better on their own. Just think, if Joe Biden doesnt get elected to the New Castle County Council in 1970... where is he today? Local politics are extremely important. Edited November 6, 2020 by DrDawkinstein 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 I am going to have to sign up for twitter now.....seems like it's going to fun for the next while! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 33 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: 2016 was decided by about 70,000 votes over a couple states. Winner got 306 EC votes and lost the popular and said it was a landslide. 2020 the margins are going to higher in the handful of states, winner looks like they’ll get 306 EC votes but will win the popular vote by 4,000,000+. If we’re using 2016 logic to determine if an election is a landslide or not, then this election is clearly in the landslide category. It wasn't a landslide then, it isn't a landslide now. 16 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: The Catch 22 here is that maybe if you (and all Americans) were more involved in politics, especially local, we'd have better politicians. The crooks and psychopaths get in because they are able to scam the system because so few people pay attention. The politicians arent going to get better on their own. Just think, if Joe Biden doesnt get elected to the New Castle County Council in 1970... where is he today? Local politics are extremely important. I see it different... Only the people who are okay with the gross public scrutiny that they need to endure throw their hat in the ring for political office -- at least on a national level. i'm not saying there should be no scrutiny, but focusing on issues should be more important than personality flaws. Also, I see it that a lot of people don't set out to be crooks before they get to office. Then they get plied by people looking to shape policy or get ahead through graft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 31 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: The Catch 22 here is that maybe if you (and all Americans) were more involved in politics, especially local, we'd have better politicians. The crooks and psychopaths get in because they are able to scam the system because so few people pay attention. The politicians arent going to get better on their own. Just think, if Joe Biden doesnt get elected to the New Castle County Council in 1970... where is he today? Local politics are extremely important. To an extent, maybe, but there's a couple of issues with politics that I think contribute as well: The polarization of the country is pushing people further and further away from one another. The days of decent people having a healthy exchange of ideas and compromising on what we think is a good solution are mostly gone. We'll see if Biden is somehow able to change that, but it seems at this point that to be successful in a primary, you have to pretty much publicly say the other side is evil, which is just inherently a bad thing IMO. Disagreeing with other viewpoints is obviously fine, but the bodies of government only function properly if people are willing to work together and more and more, it seems like you'll be vilified in your primaries if you try to work with the other side. There's a huge barrier to entry money-wise. Obviously not every race is the same, but it's insanely difficult to make any headway in the political world without significant financial backing. It's simply difficult for a normal person to run for office unless they get lucky and are plucked out of the air by some large donor or fellow politician. Not impossible, but very difficult, especially in the cities. 10 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: Agreed, but local politics is just so uninteresting. I guess as an analogy, I myself would be akin to an "NFL" fan who only watches the playoff's and SB. All the rest of it is just not going to grab my attention. And I think there are a LOT of people who are even worse off, just showing up for the SB. There are so many things in our contry to grab our attention, an tbh, none of our elections are life or death for many, if any. It's all ideological. Also, cable news has totally destroyed reporting on politics, people want to get away from it as opposed to fully engaging. There is more respect between Bills and Patriot fans than there is between party affiliations... Local politics obviously don't get the same attention that the presidential election gets for example, but in all likelihood, the local politicians will have a much larger impact on your life than the president will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 33 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: The Catch 22 here is that maybe if you (and all Americans) were more involved in politics, especially local, we'd have better politicians. The crooks and psychopaths get in because they are able to scam the system because so few people pay attention. The politicians arent going to get better on their own. Just think, if Joe Biden doesnt get elected to the New Castle County Council in 1970... where is he today? Local politics are extremely important. I think some of this is more the nature of how the "information age" has changed the dynamics and lens by which people follow news. Not that many decades ago, folks would pick up their local papers where local news dominated along with some national headlines. Folks had a bit more balance between local focus and activism and national/global interests. But the advent of internet news and social media like twitter along with news sensationalism to generate ad clicks brings every national and global issue to the forefront of what individuals consume. The local politics and issues get the nose-bleed seats. The "big news" a few weeks ago in our local online paper was our Mayor spotting some older kids peeing down a slide at a public park and calling them out saying he knew who they were and who their parents were and was going to dime them out. That being said, I don't think you are wrong. I think folks do need to get more involved in community and local politics, probably would be healthier than the soul-sucking sensationalism of negative global news where every horrible thing is dumped on your virtual doorstep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Congratulations to President Elect Joe Biden and Vice President Elect Kamala Harris. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: Only in your own mind. And anyone with half a brain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Q-baby! said: Don’t tell the conspiracy nutbars that created that other site. 😂😂😂 Wait, is....is that a thing that happened? Someone please tell me more or PM me the URL to this amazing piece of the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Logic said: Wait, is....is that a thing that happened? Someone please tell me more or PM me the URL to this amazing piece of the internet. Yes, it’s a glorious mess! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 11 minutes ago, Logic said: Wait, is....is that a thing that happened? Someone please tell me more or PM me the URL to this amazing piece of the internet. I would love it as well. 5 minutes ago, Q-baby! said: Yes, it’s a glorious mess! Pm me the link please 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Q-baby! said: Yes, it’s a glorious mess! It kind of just seems like a continued delusion right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 pm me the link too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Gene1973 said: People are very involved in communities, however these days it's on-line communities comprised of like minded individuals. If you then send those people out into the real world they just can't handle opinions that differ from their own and before you know it anyone who doesn't think like them is a racist or nazi. I think we're way past the point of local podunk community involvement. It's cyber communities now, and as a species we are really struggling with that. Online communities are kind of a safe place...if one is seeking that out. However, I think people exaggerate the ratio of online hermits vs the rest.... Even someone who has like a long-standing WoW online community, or something like that, will still find differing political opinions there and find a way to cope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 4 hours ago, snafu said: He really does nothing to help his own cause. He’s not great at explaining his position, it’s never as bad as the media characterizes but, though they know what he means, they always take the bad faith idea of what he says and run with it. Repeat over and over that he said to stop the vote counting (means to stay illegal ballot counting) until the narrative is the truth in people’s mind, then cut off his clarifying statements from your news channels. Same thing happened with “very fine people on both sides”. I’ll bet there is still a majority who believes he was saying this about white supremicists, even though he says in the same interview “not white supremicists, not kkk, they should be condemned completely”. Just repeat a version that makes him look as racist as possible and run with it. Media...induced...Orangeman...hysteria! 4 hours ago, Q-baby! said: Trump driven Trump hate! Original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: Original I think you misspelled factual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 hour ago, HamSandwhich said: And anyone with half a brain! I believe it's spelled, "brian". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 57 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: People are very involved in communities, however these days it's on-line communities comprised of like minded individuals. If you then send those people out into the real world they just can't handle opinions that differ from their own and before you know it anyone who doesn't think like them is a racist or nazi. I think we're way past the point of local podunk community involvement. It's cyber communities now, and as a species we are really struggling with that. I would not say we are past the point of local "podunk" community involvement. The reality is that most people can actually affect more change locally than they will ever achieve arguing online or trying to create change on a national or global level. It is healthy too to step back from all the things that are often outside your control that tend to make one feel helpless and depressed and ask yourself what things in my sphere of control can I actually change in a positive way? Usually the answer is something closer to home. I volunteer for the local swim team, supporting their activities and I know jack about swimming other than you do it if the water is deep and you lean towards not drowning. But I help in whatever capacity I can and it has helped me stay sane over this pandemic and election. On the fence on the overall health of online communities because I do believe they can be healthy. I am a part of one here and I think with moderation they can remain a healthy outlet. My son is very introverted, but has a thriving online community that he has connected with since HS. The important thing is how an online community is moderated towards a reasonable level of disagreements, debate, and mudslinging but has some allowance for differing views. But I recognize that there are communities where that does not happen, where dangerous ideas fester into dangerous actions, and probably law enforcement needs to keep tabs on those communities. Online communities can serve as magnets selectively catering to those with fringe ideologies, promoting wild conspiracies, and then amplifying those distorted views via their echo-chamber effect often promoting violence. Where folks like that used to sit alone in cabins off-grid, writing manifestos, and mailing packages that go boom they can now find and organize with other crazy people. What I never thought I would see is our elected officials embracing and encouraging these kinds of communities. Irresponsible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Q-baby! said: Don’t tell the conspiracy nutbars that created that other site. 😂😂😂 They won't concede. They believe there's widespread voter fraud and it's going to swing the election in Trump's favor after it's revealed and litigated. No, seriously. That's what they think. Edited November 6, 2020 by transplantbillsfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: They won't concede. They believe there's widespread voter fraud and it's going to swing the election in Trump's favor after it's revealed and litigated. No, seriously. That's what they think. Because that’s what Trump says. Trump doesn’t lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanderPoke Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 #notmypresident #resist Is this how this works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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