Coach Tuesday Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Per Albert Breer: 2) At two different junctures this year—before the draft and toward the start of camp—the Patriots had discussions with other teams about a potential Stephon Gilmore trade. Would New England revisit that now? It seems increasingly likely that he could be elsewhere in 2021, so exploring the idea again, with the team at 2–4, wouldn’t be unheard of. 3) A fact I picked up doing research for my Sunday shows on NBC Sports Boston about a Gilmore trade: Ten players have been dealt for a first-round pick or a first-rounder-plus since April 2018. All 10 of those players were 27 or younger at the time of the deal. *** Breer is very plugged in and doesn’t post stuff like this unless there’s real legs to it... wonder what the thinking is? I guess it must be that they’re rebuilding so it doesn’t make sense to be paying top dollar for a defensive back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1) we don’t have the cap space for him 2) he’s overpaid 3) it makes zero sense to have two $20+MM corners 4) he’s not worth a 1st round pick 20 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Per Albert Breer: 2) At two different junctures this year—before the draft and toward the start of camp—the Patriots had discussions with other teams about a potential Stephon Gilmore trade. Would New England revisit that now? It seems increasingly likely that he could be elsewhere in 2021, so exploring the idea again, with the team at 2–4, wouldn’t be unheard of. 3) A fact I picked up doing research for my Sunday shows on NBC Sports Boston about a Gilmore trade: Ten players have been dealt for a first-round pick or a first-rounder-plus since April 2018. All 10 of those players were 27 or younger at the time of the deal. *** Breer is very plugged in and doesn’t post stuff like this unless there’s real legs to it... wonder what the thinking is? I guess it must be that they’re rebuilding so it doesn’t make sense to be paying top dollar for a defensive back? I saw this elsewhere too yesterday, so not just breer. I think he could be moved Edited October 26, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Rigotz said: 1) we don’t have the cap space for him 2) he’s overpaid 3) it makes zero sense to have two $20+MM corners 4) he’s not worth a 1st round pick thread 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Rigotz said: 1) we don’t have the cap space for him 2) he’s overpaid 3) it makes zero sense to have two $20+MM corners 4) he’s not worth a 1st round pick Doesn’t have anything to do with the Bills other than. He could be traded before our game this week 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) Makes sense. Watched some of the 49ers game yesterday. Gilmore was playing like he didn’t want to be there. Edited October 26, 2020 by BuffaloRebound 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rigotz said: 1) we don’t have the cap space for him 2) he’s overpaid 3) it makes zero sense to have two $20+MM corners 4) he’s not worth a 1st round pick ...and I’m not suggesting we trade for him.... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, Brennan Huff said: thread Why? How do you know he won’t be traded? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Brennan Huff said: thread nope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, BuffaloRebound said: Makes sense. Watched some of the 49ers game yesterday. Gilmore was posting like he didn’t want to be there. I think they need to rebuild and could use the pick plus they have other corners who are pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) Anything, and I mean anything, that dismantles the Patriots, I'm all for. Send him to TB or KC. They seem to be able to sign anyone they want. 🙂 I grew up hating the Dolphins. I want to go back to that for the next decade or so. Edited October 26, 2020 by wjag biwt 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Makes sense. Watched some of the 49ers game yesterday. Gilmore was playing like he didn’t want to be there. That’s why he was let go from the Bills team, he didn’t want to be here... Edited October 26, 2020 by Don Otreply 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Please move him this week—this game gets a LOT easier if he’s not on the field for them. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, Don Otreply said: That’s why he got traded off the Bills team, he didn’t want to be here... He wasn’t traded off of the Bills. We let him leave as a FA. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, Don Otreply said: That’s why he got traded off the Bills team, he didn’t want to be here... 1) he didn’t get traded from Buffalo 2) he wanted to get paid; it had nothing to do with not wanting to be in Buffalo—that’s just something fans say practically every time a player leaves and gets big money elsewhere 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Belly’s been exposed without the goat dropping dimes all over the field. Might as well blow it up and start over. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Please move him this week—this game gets a LOT easier if he’s not on the field for them. This. Thuney is also rumored to be available but he sprained his ankle yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Makes sense. Watched some of the 49ers game yesterday. Gilmore was playing like he didn’t want to be there. Good to know he didn’t just do that with the Bills. Edited October 26, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: This. Thuney is also rumored to be available but he sprained his ankle yesterday I’d ship ‘em a 3 for Thuney right now. At worst you get it back in 2022 draft after he signs a big FA deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: White has dropped significantly after securing a big contract, not cool. suffering a back injury. FIFY. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: He wasn’t traded off of the Bills. We let him leave as a FA. True, but he played like he didn’t want yo be here, 😁 Edited October 26, 2020 by Don Otreply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Where does he go then? One of the NFC West teams? I’d like to think he doesn’t go anywhere in the AFC but this is the Pats and they don’t seem to care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I was talking with my buddy who is a pats fan during the pats 49rs game and he thinks they should blow it all up, trade whoever they can. No star power anywhere on offense, he sees it as a ten year rebuild lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: I’d ship ‘em a 3 for Thuney right now. At worst you get it back in 2022 draft after he signs a big FA deal. Isn't he on the tag though? Not sure we can fit him under the cap, can we? As for Gilmore.... pondering potential trade destinations..... would have to be a team in the race who need a corner..... San Fran? Seattle? Green Bay? Not looked at cap numbers to see how feasible any of those are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 16 minutes ago, Rigotz said: 1) we don’t have the cap space for him 2) he’s overpaid 3) it makes zero sense to have two $20+MM corners 4) he’s not worth a 1st round pick I can agree with #1 and #3 but...the others are highly debatable (and more likely incorrect), yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 The Patriots over Paid Gilmore we over paid White and the Panthers over paid Norman. Gilmore is having a slightly down year but nothing close to the down year White is having. If traded right now Im guessing the Patriots might get a 2nd and a 5th for Gilmore. If we traded White right now we would get a 4th rounder and a bag of chips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: 1) he didn’t get traded from Buffalo 2) he wanted to get paid; it had nothing to do with not wanting to be in Buffalo—that’s just something fans say practically every time a player leaves and gets big money elsewhere Yes I was wrong on the trade thing, but he sure didn’t want to be here, and played that way towards the end, that can’t really be argued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Gene1973 said: But he was playing poorly before the back/didn't want to play the COVIDS injury... My understanding is that he suffered it initially in week 2 and played on for a couple of games before the discomfort became such that they sat him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 18 minutes ago, Rigotz said: 1) we don’t have the cap space for him 2) he’s overpaid 3) it makes zero sense to have two $20+MM corners 4) he’s not worth a 1st round pick who else at Cb makes over 20 million? I know dane Jackson Had a good debut but he’s still got a few more years on the rookie deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 16 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Makes sense. Watched some of the 49ers game yesterday. Gilmore was playing like he didn’t want to be there. Well, Bills fans should be familiar with that particular behavior from Gilmore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 20 minutes ago, Rigotz said: 1) we don’t have the cap space for him 2) he’s overpaid 3) it makes zero sense to have two $20+MM corners 4) he’s not worth a 1st round pick I mean, the guy did win Defensive Player of the Year last season. Come on now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, JimKellyTryouts said: I can agree with #1 and #3 but...the others are highly debatable (and more likely incorrect), yes? they’re actually all incorrect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: True, but he played like he didn’t want yo be here, 😁 I think he wanted paid - and to win. I think he was frustrated here because he had to play out his fifth year option with no extension and we weren’t all that competitive as a team. He got both with NE. Until recently that is. Now he’s just getting paid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, wjag said: Anything, and I mean anything, that dismantles the Patriots, I'm all for. Send him to TB or KC. They seem to be able to sign anyone they want. 🙂 I grew up hating the Dolphins. I want to go back to that for the next decade or so. Let the fire sale begin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Just now, BarleyNY said: I think he wanted paid - and to win. I think he was frustrated here because he had to play out his fifth year option with no extension and we weren’t all that competitive as a team. He got both with NE. Until recently that is. Now he’s just getting paid. Those are all valid points, in essence, ya can’t really blame him, the Bills were not at that time a winning organization. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Breer is pretty legit. Some good teams like Seattle, Indy and 49ers could use the secondary help. NE may even be willing to eat some of the cap hit this year, if the draft pick trade package is good enough. I believe Gillmore will be traded to a team trying to make a SB run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Those are all valid points, in essence, ya can’t really blame him, the Bills were not at that time a winning organization. Yeah. I don’t. And I understand that he is a CB who excels in man coverage and we were moving to a zone, primarily C-3 scheme so we probably didn’t want to pay him to see how he played bail technique. I get it, but I always hate moving on from elite players because they don’t fit a new scheme. It seems to me like great coaches should be able to adapt their scheme to maximize the impact of great players. It was probably just too late to salvage the relationship when McD got here. We were at a point where a franchise tag was our only option and that would’ve likely led to a disgruntled player on and off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I think Gilmore is really good. I think he becomes somewhat disinterested when not winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 18 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: The Patriots over Paid Gilmore we over paid White and the Panthers over paid Norman. Gilmore is having a slightly down year but nothing close to the down year White is having. If traded right now Im guessing the Patriots might get a 2nd and a 5th for Gilmore. If we traded White right now we would get a 4th rounder and a bag of chips. I think this COVID thing is really messing with White's head. If I remember correctly he was really close to opting out this year. It seems like he is shying away from contact. I am also convinced the Tenn game he told the coaches he wasn't comfortable playing due to the covid issues ten was having at the time. Just a thought, but he looks like a totally different player out there this year compared to years past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I wouldn't mind them trading him before we play them. Seems like a white flag type of move though... More likely if we beat them probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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