RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 COACH OF THE YEAR 1.) Andy Reid 2.) Sean McDermott OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF YEAR 1.) Josh Allen DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF YEAR 1.) Myles Garrett ROOKIE OF THE YEAR 1.) Justin Herbert COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR 1.). Ben Rothlesberger MVP 1.) Russel Wilson 1a.) Aaron Rodgers 2.) Josh Allen 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 37 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: COACH OF THE YEAR 1.) Andy Reid 2.) Sean McDermott OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF YEAR 1.) Josh Allen DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF YEAR 1.) Myles Garrett ROOKIE OF THE YEAR 1.) Justin Herbert COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR 1.). Ben Rothlesberger MVP 1.) Russel Wilson 1a.) Aaron Rodgers 2.) Josh Allen McD over Reid for me. McD is the coach of the year right now IMO. Agree with the others except MVP. Wilson, Allen, then Rodgers IMO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: McD over Reid for me. McD is the coach of the year right now IMO. Agree with the others except MVP. Wilson, Allen, then Rodgers IMO. Yeah it is real close on Rodgers/Allen...I think what a contributing factor was (so strange but fun say) is that Rodgers has been doing what he is doing with less weapons considering Adams has only played in 2 out of 4 games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 GM of the Year - Brandon Beane. He took a massive risk going with a very raw project at #7 in which a lot of people hated the pick. Also the night before the tweets came out. Now Allen playing at an MVP level. They have completely changed the team from the Rex years except I think two players. Now the team is contending and the process looks legit. We will see though....only a 1/4 of the way through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I know people hate to admit it, but Bill Belichick deserved to be on the coach of the year list. Dude lost how many starters this year, including Brady? Edwards-Helaire ahead of Herbert at the moment. He has been absolutely lights out. Cam over Big Ben as comeback player. People thought he was toast 5 weeks ago. Career over. Nothing left in the tank. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Rodgers over Allen in the MVP race is entirely a media narrative based on name recognition and a desire to pander to the “Rodgers is pissed and playing amazingly” crowd. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Russell Wilson, Josh Allen and Aaron Rodgers should be in a 3-way tie for MVP. The only reason people keep pushing Wilson, is because they feel like he has deserved it before and been overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 8 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: COACH OF THE YEAR 1.) Andy Reid 2.) Sean McDermott OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF YEAR 1.) Josh Allen DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF YEAR 1.) Myles Garrett ROOKIE OF THE YEAR 1.) Justin Herbert COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR 1.). Ben Rothlesberger MVP 1.) Russel Wilson 1a.) Aaron Rodgers 2.) Josh Allen Nice list!! Not a gripe from me. The one thing that I’ll add is Chase Young as DROY (assuming this injury isn’t long term). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Murray Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT 1) Houston Texans 2) Sam Darnold WORST STORYLINE 1) Injuries BIGGEST SURPRISE 1) Offensive efficiency / scoring uptick despite limited offseason 8 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR 1.). Ben Rothlesberger would put Teddy Bridgewater in there...after his wipeout year and two years of starting a few games on new teams with no traction, having a good year on a team with depleted talent post McCaffery's injury 8 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: ROOKIE OF THE YEAR 1.) Justin Herbert **GABE DAVIS** Edited October 6, 2020 by Bill Murray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Rodgers over Allen in the MVP race is entirely a media narrative based on name recognition and a desire to pander to the “Rodgers is pissed and playing amazingly” crowd. I have watched some of Rodgers All-22. He’s playing amazingly. For contrast I watched some Packers-Vikings. Cousins is atrocious so Rodgers looks absolutely divine in comparison. His play is ridiculous. Edited October 6, 2020 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I have watched some of Rodgers All-22. He’s playing amazingly. For contrast I watched some Packers-Vikings. Cousins is atrocious so Rodgers looks absolutely divine in comparison. His play is ridiculous. No doubt. I'm not taking away from Rodgers, just that he isn't statistically as good as Allen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, whatdrought said: No doubt. I'm not taking away from Rodgers, just that he isn't statistically as good as Allen. You're right. Rogers has a slight statistical edge over Allen. Wilson has the statistical edge over either Rodgers or Allen, and if the season ended today (with the narrative that he's been an elite player for so long without an MVP), would probably be unanimous MVP. To OP's list: I don't think they'd give DPOY to Garrett unless he's a complete run away stats wise. Bad optics to give him that award after the helmet beating incident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 43 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: You're right. Rogers has a slight statistical edge over Allen. Wilson has the statistical edge over either Rodgers or Allen, and if the season ended today (with the narrative that he's been an elite player for so long without an MVP), would probably be unanimous MVP. To OP's list: I don't think they'd give DPOY to Garrett unless he's a complete run away stats wise. Bad optics to give him that award after the helmet beating incident I don't think Rodgers has an edge over Allen at all: Allen | Rodgers Comp% -- 70.9% > 70.5% PYRDS -- 1,326 > 1,214 PTD's -- 12 < 13 INT's -- 1 > 0 YPA -- 8.7 < 9 YPC -- 12.6 > 12.4 RYRDS -- 83 > 31 RTDS -- 3 > 0 GWD -- 2 > 1 It's close, no doubt, but Allen has the edge here. Especially when you consider that the INT, and one less passing TD is a direct result of ref screw jobs... Obviously those happen, so it's not worth much, but it changes how these numbers are viewed (though I couldn't swear that Rodgers hasn't had similar things happen to him). It's also worth noting, that while Allen has better pass catchers, he actually has more drops than Rodgers (10 to AR's 7) which really is the metric for how the receivers are helping, I think. Furthermore, Rodgers has the #4 rushing attack in the league on his side compared to Allen's #28. The last really interesting thing comparing the two is On target % according to pro football reference: Allen 85.4% >> Rodgers 57.5% I personally don't put too much stock in stats like that, but there it is for what that's worth. Sources - Allen: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm Rodgers: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgAa00.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Yeah it is real close on Rodgers/Allen...I think what a contributing factor was (so strange but fun say) is that Rodgers has been doing what he is doing with less weapons considering Adams has only played in 2 out of 4 games. Yeah, it’s definitely close. My reply was prior to last nights game too. It’s a 3 man race between these 3 guys right now. Mahomes and Kamara I think round out the top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 What has been a constant: * The Referees 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 3 hours ago, whatdrought said: I don't think Rodgers has an edge over Allen at all: Allen | Rodgers Comp% -- 70.9% > 70.5% PYRDS -- 1,326 > 1,214 PTD's -- 12 < 13 INT's -- 1 > 0 YPA -- 8.7 < 9 YPC -- 12.6 > 12.4 RYRDS -- 83 > 31 RTDS -- 3 > 0 GWD -- 2 > 1 It's close, no doubt, but Allen has the edge here. Especially when you consider that the INT, and one less passing TD is a direct result of ref screw jobs... Obviously those happen, so it's not worth much, but it changes how these numbers are viewed (though I couldn't swear that Rodgers hasn't had similar things happen to him). It's also worth noting, that while Allen has better pass catchers, he actually has more drops than Rodgers (10 to AR's 7) which really is the metric for how the receivers are helping, I think. Furthermore, Rodgers has the #4 rushing attack in the league on his side compared to Allen's #28. The last really interesting thing comparing the two is On target % according to pro football reference: Allen 85.4% >> Rodgers 57.5% I personally don't put too much stock in stats like that, but there it is for what that's worth. Sources - Allen: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm Rodgers: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RodgAa00.htm Few more stats QB rating is 128.4 for Rodgers to 122.7 for Allen (we can make the argument Allens INT wasn't really an INT, but ultimately that's how the NFL scored it). Rodgers has 0 fumbles. Allen has 2 fumbles From a stats perspective it really is neck and neck, but I'd give the slight edge to the 0 turnovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Bill Murray said: BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT 1) Houston Texans 2) Sam Darnold You can’t have a disappointment list without including Carson Wentz and the Cowboys defense. Houston and Darnold have regressed but I don’t think anyone had particularly high expectations for either. Wentz was a MVP candidate and the Cowboys defense was good. They both stink at the moment. Edited October 6, 2020 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 14 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: COACH OF THE YEAR 1.) Andy Reid 2.) Sean McDermott OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF YEAR 1.) Josh Allen DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF YEAR 1.) Myles Garrett ROOKIE OF THE YEAR 1.) Justin Herbert COMEBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR 1.). Ben Rothlesberger MVP 1.) Russel Wilson 1a.) Aaron Rodgers 2.) Josh Allen Why Andy Reid? I mean, he's great, but what specifically has he done this year to warrant this consideration? Just curious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: You can’t have a disappointment list without including Carson Wentz and the Cowboys defense. Houston and Darnold have regressed but I don’t think anyone had particularly high expectations for either. Wentz was an MVP candidate and the Cowboys defense was good. They both stink at the moment. Wentz hasn't been good since his second season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said: Why Andy Reid? I mean, he's great, but what specifically has he done this year to warrant this consideration? Just curious. He absolutely the best at fogging up a face shield! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Bill Murray said: BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT 1) Houston Texans 2) Sam Darnold WORST STORYLINE 1) Injuries BIGGEST SURPRISE 1) Offensive efficiency / scoring uptick despite limited offseason would put Teddy Bridgewater in there...after his wipeout year and two years of starting a few games on new teams with no traction, having a good year on a team with depleted talent post McCaffery's injury **GABE DAVIS** Not even going to list the pandemic? Last I checked, it was kind of a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Wentz hasn't been good since his second season. I’m 100% with you here. He is, and has been, the most overrated player in the league for a couple of years. He opened the year with the same MVP odds as Rodgers. That’s crazy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 It's a good list for the most part, but I would simply point out it's unlikely that Allen wins OPOY if he doesn't win MVP. It's pretty rare for that to happen with QBs. In the past 10 years, QBs won OPOY 6 times. 5 of those 6 won MVP (with the one exception being Drew Brees in 2011 when Rodgers won MVP). I would guess the current candidates for OPOY would be: Russell Wilson - current front runner for MVP and therefore a good chance to win OPOY as well Dalvin Cook - currently on pace for roughly 1700 rushing yards and 24 rushing TDs (not to mention 12 two point conversions I believe) Dak Prescott - currently on pace for over 6,700 passing yards and 48 TDs (passing + rushing). Obviously behind Wilson and Allen TD wise but if he somehow eclipses 6,000 passing yards in a season I think he has a strong chance. Allen/Rodgers/Mahomes - basically the other main MVP candidates right now Obviously still extremely early to be looking at awards anyways but that's the way I would currently look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 31 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Wentz hasn't been good since his second season. Except for the last 5 games of last season when after sucking for about 11 weeks he did actually play some really good football and loads of people jumped back on board and were riding the hype train for 2020. He looks back to the form he exhibited for the first part of last year now though. In fact probably not even that good. 30 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m 100% with you here. He is, and has been, the most overrated player in the league for a couple of years. He opened the year with the same MVP odds as Rodgers. That’s crazy. He is horribly overrated. I think a lot of people decided he was good in that 2017 season and have been ignoring the vast majority of what their eyes have being seeing with him since. 14 minutes ago, DCOrange said: It's a good list for the most part, but I would simply point out it's unlikely that Allen wins OPOY if he doesn't win MVP. It's pretty rare for that to happen with QBs. In the past 10 years, QBs won OPOY 6 times. 5 of those 6 won MVP (with the one exception being Drew Brees in 2011 when Rodgers won MVP). I would guess the current candidates for OPOY would be: Russell Wilson - current front runner for MVP and therefore a good chance to win OPOY as well Dalvin Cook - currently on pace for roughly 1700 rushing yards and 24 rushing TDs (not to mention 12 two point conversions I believe) Dak Prescott - currently on pace for over 6,700 passing yards and 48 TDs (passing + rushing). Obviously behind Wilson and Allen TD wise but if he somehow eclipses 6,000 passing yards in a season I think he has a strong chance. Allen/Rodgers/Mahomes - basically the other main MVP candidates right now Obviously still extremely early to be looking at awards anyways but that's the way I would currently look at it. Dak will likely break the passing record because unless they fire Mike Nolan tomorrow the Cowboys are going to need to score 35 points even to have a chance of being in a game every single week. That scheme is an utter unadulterated mess. It is so Rex Ryan circa 2015 it is untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 7 hours ago, Mango said: I know people hate to admit it, but Bill Belichick deserved to be on the coach of the year list. Dude lost how many starters this year, including Brady? Totally, and it sucks to say it, but he is definately in the mix. But he's .500 right now and we have to see how the rest of the season goes. If Cam can't play another week they definately will not win. Those two backups suck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Just now, MJS said: Totally, and it sucks to say it, but he is definately in the mix. But he's .500 right now and we have to see how the rest of the season goes. If Cam can't play another week they definately will not win. Those two backups suck. Agreed. Sorry, didn't mean BB should be ahead of McD, but he deserves to be on the discussion list of candidates. Same with Cam at comeback player of the year. I don't get the Big Ben hype. He is riding a good defense, playing well (enough) but also looks absolutely gassed. I would be shocked if he comes back next year. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I said in another thread Matt La Fleur will get consideration for coach of the year. The fact that Andy Reid coach the Super Bowl winners, who were expected to repeat, weighs against him. People like to give that award to somebody who can succeed against the odds over someone who succeeds with the odds in their favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said: Why Andy Reid? I mean, he's great, but what specifically has he done this year to warrant this consideration? Just curious. Well they are very similar so far in 2020. funny enough, they are both 4-0. Each have wins against a 0-4 team (Jets / Texans) 1-3 team (Dolphins / Chargers) 2-2 team (Raiders / Patriots) 3-1 team (Rams / Ravens) So far I would say beating Jackson, Bellichick and Watson nudges Reid slightly ahead. go figure this... McDermott has buffalo averaging a smidge more points per game than Reid and Kansas BUT Reid and Kansas are 2nd in NFL IN POINTS ALLOWED. upside world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Murray Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 7 hours ago, 1ManRaid said: Not even going to list the pandemic? Last I checked, it was kind of a big deal. Lol, I guess kind of a known known at this point and so far things in the NFL at least seem to have been going better than expected, albeit not perfect. But yes, I hear you, major oversight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Bill Murray said: Lol, I guess kind of a known known at this point and so far things in the NFL at least seem to have been going better than expected, albeit not perfect. But yes, I hear you, major oversight Raiders just put reserve DT Bill Murray on Covid/reserve. How do you feel?😲 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Rookie of the year - Stefon Diggs. Best 1st round pick we've had in a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 hours ago, HappyDays said: Rookie of the year - Stefon Diggs. Best 1st round pick we've had in a while. It took me a moment... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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