Gregg Williams: Defensive Shenanigans on TNF

[CircleTheWagons99]

Funny, I mentioned the jets players were out to hurt the bills week one and the reply I got was “how do you injure someone’s hamstring” now that the jets are getting flagged for it it’s a topic. Weird. 

[The Dean]

1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if the undisciplined thuggery isn't the Jets chosen method of tanking their season? The Dolphins started out last year by selling off all their best players, and installing Josh Rosen under center with less protection than he had in Arizona. Eventually, the NFL competition committee got involved. These Jets seem to be losing by utterly undisciplined coaching, and sheer thuggery. Eleven penalties for -118 yards, including six personal fouls, and giving the Broncos seven first downs, and clearly giving them the lead. Pretty crappy way to lose, but harder for the competition committee to call out.

 

 

Well, Gase wasn't with the Fins last year, so not sure if that is relevant. But Flores was NEVER tanking. They were definately rebuilding and turning over the roster, though. The idea they were throwing games was always completely ridiculous.

[Chuck Schick]

Aikman was throwing Gregggg all kinds of praise during the game, which was weird.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

5 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

A leopard does not change its spots, as it were.
 

He is a potential law suit waiting to happen, and it will involve the league office/owners, being the owners are the league office... a quality law firm would have a field day tracing his activities, and a suddenly unemployable former player  due to wrongful injury may make a call to such a firm. Even a letter from a law firm on behalf of one or more players to the commissioner might prompt his exit from the league. One can only hope such a Letter is sent.

In most states, worker's compensation laws protect employers from many types of legal actions.  I doubt any law suit will deliver the response that most of us would like to see.  It will take internal action by the league.  In addition, the players are ultimately responsible for doing the things on the field.  It will take some fines or suspensions to get players to speak out about the type of direction that Williams is giving to his players.  A responsible owner would send Williams to the unemployment line but as we all know, the JESTS have no such owner.

[Rocky Landing]

2 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

 

Steve Smith comments link? Go up about 12 posts, or so. Or do you mean a link to the "hard hits"?

 

1 hour ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

Conspiracy theory seems like a leap to me to me. But I'm not familiar with how the NFL competition committee got involved in the Dolphins 'tank' last year. Never heard that one before. Did the NFL competition committee force a change of QB or improve the QB protection?

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure what Adam Gase has done

 

I never suggested that tanking was a Gase plan, and clearly Flores was not on board with tanking for the Dolphins. It was broadly suspected that the Miami FO was "tanking for Tua," the the NFL competition committee certainly took that seriously.

https://www.si.com/nfl/dolphins/news/can-the-nfl-competition-committee-stop-the-dolphins-from-tanking-jZdqkdFGYE2eGmcXQNQM-A

Be that as it may, I was just indulging in speculation. I don't know that the Jets brass are wanting to tank the season. But, would anyone be surprised?

[IslandBillsFan]

Both these teams have serious issues.  I get it that Denver may have been upset that Gase is calling a timeouts to extend the game.  Here is the situation as I see it.  It is 4th and 18, Denver up 11 on their opponents 39 yard line with 13 secs.  They can either, A) kneel and hand the ball over, B) Punt it away and make the opponent drive the whole field in less than 10 seconds and then need another score or C) Pass and try to convert the first down.  The C) pass option is virtually worthless and if you elect to go that route it is a full on play.  Your players need to play hard and any thing can happen.   

 

Yes the hits were on the dirty side.  But the play call by Denver didn't help out their case in my opinion.  

 

This gets exacerbated by the same thing being repeated at the 8 second mark.  Why not punt?  Why not run?  Why not kneel?  Any of those options are a safer call than risking an injury or a cheap shot.

 

Am I missing something?

[SinceThe70s]

4 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

 

 

I never suggested that tanking was a Gase plan, and clearly Flores was not on board with tanking for the Dolphins. It was broadly suspected that the Miami FO was "tanking for Tua," the the NFL competition committee certainly took that seriously.

https://www.si.com/nfl/dolphins/news/can-the-nfl-competition-committee-stop-the-dolphins-from-tanking-jZdqkdFGYE2eGmcXQNQM-A

Be that as it may, I was just indulging in speculation. I don't know that the Jets brass are wanting to tank the season. But, would anyone be surprised?

 

No, the Jets brass tanking wouldn't surprise me. But I think they're incompetent. Unless hiring Gase was a 2-3 year tank plan.

 

I was speaking to the Dolphins and your claim that "Eventually, the NFL competition committee got involved."  Would be interested in how they got involved. That link was a fluff piece.

 

For the record, I'm a firm believer that coaches and players don't tank for a better draft pick.

 

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[Rocky Landing]

4 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

No, the Jets brass tanking wouldn't surprise me. But I think they're incompetent. Unless hiring Gase was a 2-3 year tank plan.

 

I was speaking to the Dolphins and your claim that "Eventually, the NFL competition committee got involved."  Would be interested in how they got involved. That link was a fluff piece.

 

For the record, I'm a firm believer that coaches and players don't tank for a better draft pick.

 

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Actually, I remembered the issue with Miami, and the competition committee from last year. So, I googled "NFL competition committee Dolphins," and there were numerous articles. I just linked that one randomly.

[SinceThe70s]

Just now, Rocky Landing said:

Actually, I remembered the issue with Miami, and the competition committee from last year. So, I googled "NFL competition committee Dolphins," and there were numerous articles. I just linked that one randomly.

 

I saw articles last year too.  Maybe just my bias that I consider tanking a BS premise when it comes to coaching and playing.

 

I do believe that front offices recognize that rebuilding sometimes means taking a year or two off from serious contention. In fact, I think that's what we've seen recently with the Bills.

 

Good times, bro. Go Bills!

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, Chuck Schick said:

Aikman was throwing Gregggg all kinds of praise during the game, which was weird.

 

Patty Hearst threw the Siamese Liberation Army (or whatever the hell they were) all kinds of praise during those bank robberies.

[benderbender]

I still think of his incredulous reaction when he wasn’t gifted the Browns HC position and smile 

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

 

Well, Gase wasn't with the Fins last year, so not sure if that is relevant. But Flores was NEVER tanking. They were definately rebuilding and turning over the roster, though. The idea they were throwing games was always completely ridiculous.

 

 

Yeah, the word "tank" doesn't belong in football. Nor should it until the day of all-guaranteed contracts for players and coaches arrives.

 

Yeah, GMs sometimes in a rebuild take moves that will hurt in the short run to help in the long run. But players and coaches all know that what they do is what their job performance will be judged on and that they may not be on the same team next year. There is no tanking in the NFL.

 

Rebuilding happens, though, and it can be very painful indeed. The Jets are clearly doing that. The Jamal Adams trade made it painfully obvious that the Jets personnel department is already there. And I'm not defending the penalties, but that was a team trying as hard as they could to win.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

8 hours ago, Chuck Schick said:

Aikman was throwing Gregggg all kinds of praise during the game, which was weird.

Probably doesn’t want a bounty on his head 

[Don Otreply]

8 hours ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

In most states, worker's compensation laws protect employers from many types of legal actions.  I doubt any law suit will deliver the response that most of us would like to see.  It will take internal action by the league.  In addition, the players are ultimately responsible for doing the things on the field.  It will take some fines or suspensions to get players to speak out about the type of direction that Williams is giving to his players.  A responsible owner would send Williams to the unemployment line but as we all know, the JESTS have no such owner.

But when ones employer representative  advocates/encourages such behavior that employer is then culpable. 

Edited October 3, 2020 by Don Otreply

[bmur66]

Greggo is a skid mark in the leagues underwear 

[hemma]

5 Roughing the passer/Unnecessary roughness penalties seems over the top, even for 'the old days'.

 

They wouldn't do anything about it now, but to me, it looks like the Owners during league meetings should at least have discussions about an Aggregate penalty for any combination of:

 

- Roughing the passer

- Unnecessary roughness

- Unsportsmanlike conduct

 

You get 3 with 'normal penalty yardage', but the 4th gets the hammer -> 60 yards.  If it happened inside the 30, then 7 pts (no kick required).

The 5th gets the Sledgehammer -> Forfeit + Public Pinkbellies.

 

 

[eball]

All you ever need to know about Greggggg Williams is found by listening to the audio they released during the bounty scandal when he talks to his defense about “killing the head.”  It really is unbelievable this ass-clown was ever permitted to work in the NFL again.

 

Also, look up a great 9-minute rant from Rich Eisen and his radio show this week.  I didn’t know he’s a Jests fan...it was awesome.

[Beerball]

16 hours ago, sherpa said:

Has anyone else seen enough of this punk?

Last night was typical for his "coached" teams.

The NFLPA ought to send owners a statement that nobody will play for him.

He is a threat to the career of anyone on the opposing team.

 

At a  minimum, with the game out of hand, which his often are, some offense should run a play that ends up with a full speed tight end running over him on the sideline.

The man is disgusting, and its been going on for a long time.

Once a POS, always a POS.  Guy needs to be retired.

[Mr. WEO]

16 hours ago, sherpa said:

Agree or not, MLB would take care of this.

 

 

huh?

10 hours ago, IslandBillsFan said:

Both these teams have serious issues.  I get it that Denver may have been upset that Gase is calling a timeouts to extend the game.  Here is the situation as I see it.  It is 4th and 18, Denver up 11 on their opponents 39 yard line with 13 secs.  They can either, A) kneel and hand the ball over, B) Punt it away and make the opponent drive the whole field in less than 10 seconds and then need another score or C) Pass and try to convert the first down.  The C) pass option is virtually worthless and if you elect to go that route it is a full on play.  Your players need to play hard and any thing can happen.   

 

Yes the hits were on the dirty side.  But the play call by Denver didn't help out their case in my opinion.  

 

This gets exacerbated by the same thing being repeated at the 8 second mark.  Why not punt?  Why not run?  Why not kneel?  Any of those options are a safer call than risking an injury or a cheap shot.

 

Am I missing something?

 

just the conspiracy

[Mr. WEO]

16 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

A leopard does not change its spots, as it were.
 

He is a potential law suit waiting to happen, and it will involve the league office/owners, being the owners are the league office... a quality law firm would have a field day tracing his activities, and a suddenly unemployable former player  due to wrongful injury may make a call to such a firm. Even a letter from a law firm on behalf of one or more players to the commissioner might prompt his exit from the league. One can only hope such a Letter is sent.

 

 

Lots of quality law firms out there always looking for a field day and countless suddenly unemployable players over the decades, yet no field day has ever appeared.  

 

 

Even Bountygate yielded no such field day.  There's no legal case for what you are suggesting.  History has proven this. Player accept the risk of playing and the league has rules with known penalties for players and coaches.  

 

There's no letter coming...

[Don Otreply]

7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Lots of quality law firms out there always looking for a field day and countless suddenly unemployable players over the decades, yet no field day has ever appeared.  

 

 

Even Bountygate yielded no such field day.  There's no legal case for what you are suggesting.  History has proven this. Player accept the risk of playing and the league has rules with known penalties for players and coaches.  

 

There's no letter coming...

Never say never, what is considered normal today isn’t so at a later date. That and bounty gate was an internal investigation iirc.

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Don Otreply said:

Never say never, what is considered normal today isn’t so at a later date. That and bounty gate was an internal investigation iirc.

 

Bounytgate was public proof of a coordinated effort to injury opponents.

 

The plaintiffs bar yawned.  There's no money in it or it would have happened years ago.

[Don Otreply]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Bounytgate was public proof of a coordinated effort to injury opponents.

 

The plaintiffs bar yawned.  There's no money in it or it would have happened years ago.

Again an internal investigation, controlled by the league... so what else would one expect as an outcome?

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

Again an internal investigation, controlled by the league... so what else would one expect as an outcome?

the results were made public.  After that any lawyer could have gotten more in discovery.  So why didn’t they sue? Easy pickins, no?  

There have been countless opportunities forever for what you suggest to have happened.  Yet it hasn’t 

 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

the results were made public.  After that any lawyer could have gotten more in discovery.  So why didn’t they sue? Easy pickins, no?  

There have been countless opportunities forever for what you suggest to have happened.  Yet it hasn’t 

 

Without  “standing” a random lawyer can’t sue, a lawyer would need someone directly effected by bounty gate to hire said lawyer to speak in their behalf, all it needs is a disaffected player to take the step, then game on. 

[MJS]

I rewatched Bills vs Jets and there were multiple roughing the passer calls and the usually Jets dirtiness.

 

Greg Williams is a blight on the league and should be removed. And while we're at it, let's just remove the Jets as well and replace them with an expansion team somewhere else.

[Mr. WEO]

33 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Without  “standing” a random lawyer can’t sue, a lawyer would need someone directly effected by bounty gate to hire said lawyer to speak in their behalf, all it needs is a disaffected player to take the step, then game on. 

 Yes and there were several to approach and zero lawsuits.

 

its a dead end.  The quality law firms have passed on this concept for obvious reasons.  So have the ambulance chasers

[bigduke6]

ole Greggy is a classless thug.   Hes that guy u know that only feels good if hes hurting somebody else.    Where's this comes from?  Its fear and weakness.    If his defenses were good enough without the thug tactics,  he wouldnt feel the urge to compensate with dirty play.

 

Didnt like him when he was our coach,  and hes been a blight on the NFL since. 

 

Greggo is one of those guys who will do anything,  will cross the line as much as possible,  in the effort of "winning".   When in reality,  even if he wins,  hes a loser.

 

Sounds like somebody else we all know.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

8 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

But when ones employer representative  advocates/encourages such behavior that employer is then culpable. 

Not necessarily

[Chaos]

Williams should be banned from the NFL. 

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 Yes and there were several to approach and zero lawsuits.

 

its a dead end.  The quality law firms have passed on this concept for obvious reasons.  So have the ambulance chasers

This has been a fun convo, but I guess it needs to rest for the time being ... 👍

1 hour ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

Not necessarily

My lawyer wife says your wrong...  😁

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, bigduke6 said:

ole Greggy is a classless thug.   Hes that guy u know that only feels good if hes hurting somebody else.    Where's this comes from?  Its fear and weakness.    If his defenses were good enough without the thug tactics,  he wouldnt feel the urge to compensate with dirty play.

 

Didnt like him when he was our coach,  and hes been a blight on the NFL since. 

 

Greggo is one of those guys who will do anything,  will cross the line as much as possible,  in the effort of "winning".   When in reality,  even if he wins,  hes a loser.

 

Sounds like somebody else we all know.

 

And many on this board respect and call him the GOAT.  What does that say about fans?

[sherpa]

I think he's one of those classic inferiority complex guys who tries to over compensate by trying to be a tough guy.

I could not stand him when he was a Bill, but the nail in the coffin for me occurred when the Bills beat the Redskins in DC in 2007.

 

Some will recall. It was the week after Sean Taylor was killed.

The Bills beat the then Redskins on an end of game field goal.

I was at that game.

 

Near the end, when Trent Edwards hit Josh Reed for a first down against Gregg's defense, I started watching him.

When Lindell hit the game winner, he took his headset off and walked with undeniable "look at me" drama away from the 'Skin bench.

He stopped alone, about 20 yards away from anybody on the team with clear look of disgust on his face.

 

During stints with the Rams and Browns, where his preseason "work" was put on display, I became truly disgusted.

 

Biggest ass in the league.

Edited October 3, 2020 by sherpa