billsfan_34 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) Nice to see Josh’s steady improvement in all areas. Our QB is in great company on the long ball. https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-s-top-10-deep-passers-russell-wilson-aaron-rodgers-among-best Edited September 30, 2020 by billsfan_34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 solid the Bills' deep ball connection has been noticeably better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Wilson is still insanely good. Mostly ignored. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Wilson is still insanely good. Mostly ignored. Many have noticed across sports media- throws a great arc 1 minute ago, BeerLeagueHockey said: Honestly, if Josh ends up the 8th best QB this year overall I'd be really happy. Me too, but I think if his weapons stay healthy and he continues ascending, top 5 is possible. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Many have noticed across sports media- throws a great arc Me too, but I think if his weapons stay healthy and he continues ascending, top 5 is possible. He's thrown 114 TDs against 24 INTs the past 51 games--with mostly trash O-lines. He's the best there is right now. Hands down. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: He's thrown 114 TDs against 24 INTs the past 51 games--with mostly trash O-lines. He's the best there is right now. Hands down. Facts my friend 😊 Just now, Gene1973 said: I see the fake INT is hurting his ranking there. Maybe he would of rose to 7 😜 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: He's thrown 114 TDs against 24 INTs the past 51 games--with mostly trash O-lines. He's the best there is right now. Hands down. His PFF grade should be lower though because his receivers are usually 20 yards away from the nearest defender. 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Wilson is still insanely good. Mostly ignored. not ignored at all. He throws a beautiful ball. Always has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, BuffAlone said: not ignored at all. He throws a beautiful ball. Always has I mean he's not often in the conversation nearly as much as he should be. In 2017, for instance, he scored 37 off his team's 38 TDs---and still didn't win the MVP. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 His passer rating jumps up to 131.1 when you ignore the fake interception. I think he should be at 4th behind Wilson, Goff, and Bridgewater. Rodgers has no business being 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: I mean he's not often in the conversation nearly as much as he should be. In 2017, for instance, he scored 37 off his team's 38 TDs---and still didn't win the MVP. MVP is more than scoring. Wilson is, nor has ever been, overlooked. He deserves more attention no doubt. But never overlooked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, BuffAlone said: MVP is more than scoring. Wilson is, nor has ever been, overlooked. He deserves more attention no doubt. But never overlooked He was their entire offense. What is more valuable than that? When else has that happened? He was clearly overlooked for Brady that year. No serious argument could made otherwise. He has zero MVPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I posted this in another thread. Allen's long ball is really improved not just from fans' eye-test but reflect in stats too (except PPF of course 😀 ) Also, 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) There seems to be a huge slant in this for TD’s (not to mention INT, so Josh is get dinged on that idiocy) which doesn’t really make sense to me... doesn’t the ability to throw the ball deep (as defined at 20+ yards) exist in a vacuum on the field? As in, how is the trait considered more difficult if it’s 20 yards into the endzone vs 20 yards from out of your own endzone... I get that there’s a practical value in “he can seal the deal from deep” but does that distinction quantify whose truly better at being a deep passer? Feels like volume/completion is the true test of this in which case Josh would seemingly be higher- and above Mahomes who has a sub 50% comp percentage with this metric. (Not to imply Allen is actually better than Mahomes, just as an understanding of these stats) In fact, the more I review this the less sure I am that their rankings make sense or are based on the actual data they present. Edited September 30, 2020 by whatdrought 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: He was their entire offense. What is more valuable than that? When else has that happened? He was clearly overlooked for Brady that year. No serious argument could made otherwise. He has zero MVPs. He definately deserves one/some. I'm clearly not saying otherwise. What I AM saying is that he's never been overlooked. And cannot be this year either He's always in the conversation. Deservedly so Edited September 30, 2020 by BuffAlone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Reading things like this makes me realize, I just don't care, because how Josh through 3 games is only 8th is idiocy. Now the (non)int hurts & dropped him (and an incompletion too)..... And I guess those over 15 yards (but <20) don't count. Oh but a 20 yard pass where the receiver runs another 50 probably counts more then the 50 yard one caught in the endzone.... My head hurts. The eye test is much simpler. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, BeerLeagueHockey said: Honestly, if Josh ends up the 8th best QB this year overall I'd be really happy. If he does he won't be way up at #87 on the top 100 list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 5 hours ago, gobills404 said: His passer rating jumps up to 131.1 when you ignore the fake interception. I think he should be at 4th behind Wilson, Goff, and Bridgewater. Rodgers has no business being 2nd. Explain to me how Mr Rodgers is 2nd with 39%. Is this a power ranking or specifically ranking deep accuracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Wilson is still insanely good. Mostly ignored. Ignored by whom? He's the talk of the NFL right now. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, BuffAlone said: MVP is more than scoring. Wilson is, nor has ever been, overlooked. He deserves more attention no doubt. But never overlooked He’s never received an MVP vote.....but never overlooked? How does that make sense? that is the definition of overlooked Edited October 1, 2020 by NewEra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 7 hours ago, NewEra said: He’s never received an MVP vote.....but never overlooked? How does that make sense? that is the definition of overlooked he's never recieved a vote? at all? This I did not know. I mostly meant he is not overlooked in the public perception. To never have had a single vote is kinda crazy.He's had some stellar years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, BuffAlone said: he's never recieved a vote? at all? This I did not know. I mostly meant he is not overlooked in the public perception. To never have had a single vote is kinda crazy.He's had some stellar years Never one. Crazy. The epitome of overlooked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Never one. Crazy. The epitome of overlooked Early years, he wasn't that good of a passer. Ran most of the time. 2014, he choked in the SB. Last year, everyone was caught up in the Lamar Jackson fad. A "modern" NFL QB. What a joke. Simp down the plays. Make people pull up on QB hits. Then turn the cameras on him like he's some backup dancer on MTV. Meanwhile the guys you don't hear about are in a wheelchair the rest of their lives. Seattle won because they decided to hold every play and dared the refs to throw a flag. The refs didn't because they knew a dying billionaire Paul Allen suing everyone was the last thing they needed. How they play football is bizarre. Score in one play. You should get off the field and prepare for the marathon. Instead you choose crippling pro wrestling for the remaining 3 hours. Then, when it's time to be tough, like 2nd and 1 for the SB win, you throw a quick slant like you're on the Florida Gators. Choking in the SB is disqualifying for a very long time, unless until you win another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, beavis said: Early years, he wasn't that good of a passer. Ran most of the time. 2014, he choked in the SB. Last year, everyone was caught up in the Lamar Jackson fad. A "modern" NFL QB. What a joke. Simp down the plays. Make people pull up on QB hits. Then turn the cameras on him like he's some backup dancer on MTV. Meanwhile the guys you don't hear about are in a wheelchair the rest of their lives. Seattle won because they decided to hold every play and dared the refs to throw a flag. The refs didn't because they knew a dying billionaire Paul Allen suing everyone was the last thing they needed. How they play football is bizarre. Score in one play. You should get off the field and prepare for the marathon. Instead you choose crippling pro wrestling for the remaining 3 hours. Then, when it's time to be tough, like 2nd and 1 for the SB win, you throw a quick slant like you're on the Florida Gators. Choking in the SB is disqualifying for a very long time, unless until you win another one. 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaFitz1 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I broke out the old calculator and adjusted Allen for having a proper call instead of a fake Int. That would make him 9 of 13 (69.2%) for 295 yards (22.7 ypa) with 1 TD, 0 Ints and a Passer Rating of 137.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 18 hours ago, gobills404 said: His passer rating jumps up to 131.1 when you ignore the fake interception. I think he should be at 4th behind Wilson, Goff, and Bridgewater. Rodgers has no business being 2nd. So now completion percentage matters to Bills fans? 377 yards on 9 completions and a 2:0 TD to INT ratio says otherwise. Rodgers throws more deep balls than anyone and doesn't have the weapons on the outside that other QBs have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said: So now completion percentage matters to Bills fans? 377 yards on 9 completions and a 2:0 TD to INT ratio says otherwise. Rodgers throws more deep balls than anyone and doesn't have the weapons on the outside that other QBs have. Yeah.... two Super Bowls between Favre and Rodgers is embarrassing.. should have 4-5... Green Bay tends to draft QBs well (although I don’t like Love) but they fail to put good teams around them.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Victory Formation said: Yeah.... two Super Bowls between Favre and Rodgers is embarrassing.. should have 4-5... Green Bay tends to draft QBs well (although I don’t like Love) but they fail to put good teams around them.. Yeah, even Aaron Jones was a 5th round pick. They kind of "lucked" into him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Rogers in the league for 15 years and Wilson for 8... so Allen in just his 3rd year is in good company with those guys who have worked hard at their craft. Mahomes deep ball completion percentage is abysmal in that list so thinking he is riding on reputation. Ryan has always had a sweet long ball, and nice to see Teddy getting some love after such a rocky start to his pro career. Not knocking Goff too much, but just 5 deep passes, but he is 5 for 5 and when he is given time he gets that ball in there... would like to see him have to do that without having such a squeaky-clean pocket. That sounds probably a bit small, but I just think Allen is able to do more with pass-pro breaking down around him. There have been numerous QBs that if you could keep them clean and on their feet they could tear you up. Maybe I am just a bit jealous of that Rams offensive line that has really come together so well for them and frustrated at how hard it is to defend their play action/jet sweep option offense. Either way, they are sneaking Allen into the conversation more and more to he is getting props for his progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 9/30/2020 at 6:47 PM, BeerLeagueHockey said: Honestly, if Josh ends up the 8th best QB this year overall I'd be really happy. Hell yeah! Before the season I was just hoping for a top 15 QB...so he he definitely exceeding all expectations! 🍻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I love how the article lists the stats, but ranks them by..... not the stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 The fake interception was beautifully thrown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 23 hours ago, FlaFitz1 said: I broke out the old calculator and adjusted Allen for having a proper call instead of a fake Int. That would make him 9 of 13 (69.2%) for 295 yards (22.7 ypa) with 1 TD, 0 Ints and a Passer Rating of 137.5 your calculator is missing #s 1 TD??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaFitz1 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 1:01 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: your calculator is missing #s 1 TD??? Lol - oops typo The calculator works - my fingers don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Josh seems to be throwing his deep ball at 30-60 percent maximum velocity now but the flight is the same as an average QB putting everything into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 On 9/30/2020 at 5:43 PM, billsfan_34 said: Nice to see Josh’s steady improvement in all areas. Our QB is in great company on the long ball. https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-s-top-10-deep-passers-russell-wilson-aaron-rodgers-among-best Stats onJA are deflated because of the INT that wasn’t. Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 5, 2020 Author Share Posted October 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Stats onJA are deflated because of the INT that wasn’t. Just saying. Yes! And thats ok- cuz we know 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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