T&C Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Right right I forgot but yeah they were maxed out as of yesterday and no one hit the Covid wire I don’t think Aren't teams allowed 48 hours to release a player after signing one at this point in the year? I might be wrong but I could swear I read that somewheres. Maybe it was 24 hours... Edited August 3, 2020 by T&C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Given the Feliciano loss, this was a no brainer and fits Beane's m.o., IMO. They weren't finding better depth on the street at this point. Edited August 3, 2020 by ExWNYer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: From what I’ve seen from various folks who I assume know what they’re talking about , he’s starting caliber and better than Feliciano but he’s not an all pro or anything Yea he is a league average starting guard. I am shocked the Jets don't at least want him to compete with Von Roten and Lewis. I am not convinced he wouldn't have ended up winning one of those jobs but hey.... the other two were signed by this regime and Winters was not. Even if he ends up a backup Oline depth is priceless in this league in a normal year let alone a covid year. I don't think the Bills needed him, and not convinced he wins the job here, but you can never have too many credible offensive linemen. 7 minutes ago, T&C said: Aren't teams allowed 48 hours to release a player after signing one at this point in the year? I might be wrong but I could swear I read that somewheres. Maybe it was 24 hours... Not this year. You can't even bring a guy in for a visit unless you have a spot (as per Beane yesterday). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 47 minutes ago, njbuff said: Jets fans weren't too thrilled about Winters. How does Winters REALLY grade out? They said thing about Spencer Long......who has come here and played well 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 48 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: So who got cut to keep roster at 80 Yeah that's what I'd like to know. Plus according to everything written, they couldn't even bring him in for a physical until they were down to only 79 players on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 12 minutes ago, T&C said: Aren't teams allowed 48 hours to release a player after signing one at this point in the year? I might be wrong but I could swear I read that somewheres. Maybe it was 24 hours... Not this year, they're not! All different rules, makes it real hard to go dumpster diving unless you're own dumpster has room first.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 38 minutes ago, NewEra said: You think it’s odd that the Bills want to keep their second year 2nd rd pick at the position that they drafted him to play? I think it’s odd that you think it’s odd. this coming from a guy who wasn’t a fan of fords play last year at RT. His play costs us games. I do like his nastiness and protective nature over his teammates and I realize that that it was his rookie year. He can and probably will be a better player this year. It makes complete sense to me that McB is keen on having Ford at RT and he isn’t the only option Can winters play C? No, but I do think it odd that Beane would double down and effectively box himself into a decision that didn't exactly prove to be the right one last season. Overall, I'd say Ford was a net negative last year at Tackle, and it's been a very common suggestion that he'd be a better guard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea he is a league average starting guard. I am shocked the Jets don't at least want him to compete with Von Roten and Lewis. I am not convinced he wouldn't have ended up winning one of those jobs but hey.... the other two were signed by this regime and Winters was not. Even if he ends up a backup Oline depth is priceless in this league in a normal year let alone a covid year. I don't think the Bills needed him, and not convinced he wins the job here, but you can never have too many credible offensive linemen. Not this year. You can't even bring a guy in for a visit unless you have a spot (as per Beane yesterday). Maybe when Beane said they had 80 yesterday he meant that was included Wade. If so, they had an open spot, but I assume Siran Neal is very close to being activated off of the Covid list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 53 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Sarcasm? https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/brian-winters-cut.94168/page-3#post-3951357 Could be their defense knows how to attack him when he is in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John from Riverside Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: No, but I do think it odd that Beane would double down and effectively box himself into a decision that didn't exactly prove to be the right one last season. Overall, I'd say Ford was a net negative last year at Tackle, and it's been a very common suggestion that he'd be a better guard. Exactly how has he boxed himself into anything.....everybody is competing for their spots except Dawkins and Morse If anything it looks like he gave himself options 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: No, but I do think it odd that Beane would double down and effectively box himself into a decision that didn't exactly prove to be the right one last season. Overall, I'd say Ford was a net negative last year at Tackle, and it's been a very common suggestion that he'd be a better guard. Ill admit that I was interested in Ford at RG, given he was projected as a stud G in the Draft. That said, most rookie Tackles struggle. I’m not sure how to evaluate guys on the OL and how to project a young guy developing, but clearly this staff wants Cody Ford at RT, all things being equal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 I don't know a lot about Winters. Here's what I do know: 1. The Bills have lots of cap room this year 2. The Bills lost their projected starting RG to injury a few days ago 3. Winters is a guard with lots of starting experience and he was signed to a 1 year deal with the Bills Whether Winters starts or is a capable backup, it works out for the Bills. If he's terrible in camp and he's shot due to injuries, they can release him with no ramifications beyond this year. I don't see any downside to this signing. After all these years, it is great to be a team that is willing and able to make smart moves like this. Not only do we have the necessary cap space to sign him, we are also seen as an attractive destination for veteran FAs who have options on where to sign. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Availability is often quoted as being one of most important attributes of players. He played only nine games last season before landing on injured reserve after aggravating a dislocated shoulder against the Giants. He also ended the 2014, ’16 and ’17 seasons on injured reserve. Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS AV Career 89 79 30 2013 22 NYJ LG 67 16 12 4 2014 23 NYJ lg 67 6 6 2 2015 24 NYJ RG 67 16 10 5 2016 25 NYJ RG 67 13 13 5 2017 26 NYJ RG 67 13 13 5 2018 27 NYJ RG 67 16 16 6 2019 28 NYJ RG 67 9 9 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: Sarcasm? https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/brian-winters-cut.94168/page-3#post-3951357 According to Gang Green, Winters sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 43 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: The 1984 Buffalo Bills were the worst team in Bills history. I could name almost the entire roster without batting an eye. Does that make me a bad person? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: They said thing about Spencer Long......who has come here and played well And Winters is better than Long. Long is a good backup who won't kill you if he has to start but is only going to just about hold his own. Winters is a proven starter. He isn't going to wow anyone but he is who he is that 6 or 7 out of 10 every week type guy. What is similar is the Jets cutting guys who would be at worst decent depth on the line. Last year they ended up with the likes of Jonothan Harrison and Chuma Edoga starting games. I can't believe that they would risk such a situation again. Seems madness. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Exactly how has he boxed himself into anything.....everybody is competing for their spots except Dawkins and Morse If anything it looks like he gave himself options I don’t think Spain is competing. He gave up o sacks last year and they signed him to a team-friendly deal. He wasn’t agreeing to that without assurances. Spain is the LG. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: We have a player who was lifting couches and here is one pulling cars. Players do what they can do to keep in shape. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poleshifter Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: I like it. I do think it's odd they seem so keen on having ford be RT, but w/e w/e - is that the newspeak for "whatever"? If so, maybe that's not as bad as the millennial "whatevs" Yikes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Just now, njbuff said: The 1984 Buffalo Bills were the worst team in Bills history. I could name almost the entire roster without batting an eye. Does that make me a bad person? ? No. It makes you a long-suffering Bills fan. There are few...maybe no...fan bases less knowledgeable than Jest fans. They are a mostly mouth breathing lot. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Poleshifter said: w/e - is that the newspeak for "whatever"? If so, maybe that's not as bad as the millennial "whatevs" Yikes a couple decades ago, yea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t think Spain is competing. He gave up o sacks last year and they signed him to a team-friendly deal. He wasn’t agreeing to that without assurances. Spain is the LG. Agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Just now, ExWNYer said: No. It makes you a long-suffering Bills fan. There are few...maybe no...fan bases less knowledgeable than Jest fans. They are a mostly mouth breathing lot. Well that gives them an advantage - they do not need to have their masks fit tightly over nose if they only breath thru mouth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 I take it Bills found Feliciano’s replacement.... Ford stays at RT- Nsekhe Swing T Daryl Williams swing interior OL.... Dawkins - Spain- Morse- Winters-Ford Who is Backup Center? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 minute ago, CEN-CAL17 said: I take it Bills found Feliciano’s replacement.... Ford stays at RT- Nsekhe Swing T Daryl Williams swing interior OL.... Dawkins - Spain- Morse- Winters-Ford Who is Backup Center? Boehm or Long. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: Daryl Williams swing interior OL Forgot we signed him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: I take it Bills found Feliciano’s replacement.... Ford stays at RT- Nsekhe Swing T Daryl Williams swing interior OL.... Dawkins - Spain- Morse- Winters-Ford Who is Backup Center? Could be Long or maybe Bates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 46 minutes ago, jkeerie said: When the rest of your O line is garbage, it may make decent players look bad. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Winters looks great as a Bill. It's the same, with our D line. Players that do nothing on other teams, excelled when they played for Buffalo. It's the sum of the parts, not the individuals that count when it comes to team. So.....The Bills are the Raiders of the 70's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Might take a few days for me to warm up to this. The Jets residue is still pungent. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Or Gates. 15 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: I take it Bills found Feliciano’s replacement.... Ford stays at RT- Nsekhe Swing T Daryl Williams swing interior OL.... Dawkins - Spain- Morse- Winters-Ford Who is Backup Center? 13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Boehm or Long. or Gates. Gates is very flexible and would likely be used as emergency substitute for in game injury if he is active. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 I did not see this coming. Adds competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 18 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: I take it Bills found Feliciano’s replacement.... Ford stays at RT- Nsekhe Swing T Daryl Williams swing interior OL.... Dawkins - Spain- Morse- Winters-Ford Who is Backup Center? Does that mean Nsekhe will lose out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Limeaid said: Or Gates. or Gates. Gates is very flexible and would likely be used as emergency substitute for in game injury if he is active. Bates. Yea. Or him. I am just yet to see it on the field. No pre-season games counts against a guy like him I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 I wonder if the GM and coaches are projecting the depth chart as much as is being done on this board, or if they are simply stockpiling quality O-linemen and will let it shake out in camp. Injuries that haven't happened yet, and COVID-related absences, will likely be a factor. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 Beane is just waiting to trade one of these guys to some desperate team for a 5th next month 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: I like it. I do think it's odd they seem so keen on having ford be RT, but w/e I know what you mean, but Ford is currently the only OT on the roster whose contract extends beyond this current season. I think we need to leave him at OT this season and see what we have, he improved a lot over the course of last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Bates. Yea. Or him. I am just yet to see it on the field. No pre-season games counts against a guy like him I fear. Yea. Thanks for correction for autocorrect. I believe he was active last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Some people hoard TP and hand sanitizer in a pandemic. Beane hoards O linemen. Hopefully he will flip a few that will be cut into draft picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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