Charges against Ed Oliver dismissed

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Doc said:

 

"Wrong again"?  LOL!

 

Seeing you twist yourself in a pretzel never gets old.

 

Pretzel?  You are seconding the fallacy that cops can't make a stop on a 9-1-1 call. which is bonkers.

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I agree with your larger point, but in terms of our country’s legacy, it’s a “whites only” thing. As a white man, I just can’t get on board with any kind of equivalency in that regard. 

I don't like when white people speak for other white people who have no legacy of 20 generations in the US. Keep your guilt to yourself, not every white citizen is descended from slave owners.

Edited July 22, 2020 by FireChans

[US Egg]

This was suppose to be a happy thread.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Pretzel?  You are seconding the fallacy that cops can't make a stop on a 9-1-1 call. which is bonkers.

 

No, not seconding it:  I'm calling out the ridiculously stupid initial 911 call.  If everyone called the cops on everyone who sped and swerved...

Edited July 22, 2020 by Doc

[atlbillsfan1975]

Good for Ed.

I think he is a good guy and is going to be one of our favorites by them time everything is said and done. 

[Trogdor]

1 hour ago, Uncle Joe said:

Chill Ed. You handled it well and won.
Now go have a great season.

He should be vocal about it. A bad arrest is a bad arrest and he has the voice to make it known. I'd be pissed too because he still had to pay a lawyer to get him off of these bogus charges. 

[Seasons1992]

2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

This was suppose to be a happy thread.

 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I agree with your larger point, but in terms of our country’s legacy, it’s a “whites only” thing. As a white man, I just can’t get on board with any kind of equivalency in that regard. 

There has been an active slave trade in the middle East and Africa for 3000 years

 

Still ongoing today

 

America has parts of a dark history, but it is still by far the greatest country on the face of this Earth, with the most freedom

 

Even if you go back to our slavery days, only 10% of the pretty rich in America owned slaves. It was not a majority of people

 

100000 Southerners fought with the Union to free the slaves. Hundreds of thousands of Union troops died to free the slaves

 

There were a lot of good people who knew it is wrong

[US Egg]

4 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

 

4 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

.....oh ?

Edited July 22, 2020 by I am the egg man

[Shaw66]

27 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I don't think I'm ignorant to some of the bad people in this country.

 

I just know there are a lot more good than bad

 

And yes I have no reason to lie about my character on this forum. Everything I said about loving and treating everybody the same is how I've lived my whole life

 

 

716 - seriously, maybe you're all you say you are.   Just hear this:

 

If you think racism in this country is about a tiny, tiny, tiny minority, you don't understand what racism is about.  Hear that, and let that sink in.  Maybe you are 100% not part of the problem, but until this country recognizes racism is about most of the white people living here, we're going nowhere.  The problem is everywhere. 

[Mr. WEO]

21 minutes ago, eball said:

I don’t believe an anonymous 911 call qualifies as probable cause for a traffic stop. If you can show me it does, please provide that reference. 

 

15 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

 Come on.  Don't you call 911 to report every person who speeds and swerves? 

 

So you agree or disagree with eball's belief that a 9-1-1 call is probable cause for a stop?

[K-9]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I don't like when white people speak for other white people who have no legacy of 20 generations in the US. Keep your guilt to yourself, not every white citizen is descended from slave owners.

Pure horse crap. Way to miss the point. 
 

It’s interesting that people who think white people hold certain views must be experiencing “white guilt.” LMFAO! There is no such thing. But there is a such thing as white defensiveness. And you need to get over that. 

[Doc]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

So you agree or disagree with eball's belief that a 9-1-1 call is probable cause for a stop?

 

For speeding and swerving?  No.  I see that dozens of times on the road to work everyday.

[Don Otreply]

9 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Are you saying Oliver paid to have the blood tests,  ordered by the District Attorney, come back negative? Wonder how he swung that. 

No, he is merely saying, that we all hope Ed learned that ones behavior can bite one in the azs, there is no tin foil hat involved here. Jeez, lightin up. 
 

Go Bills!!!

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Pure horse crap. Way to miss the point. 
 

It’s interesting that people who think white people hold certain views must be experiencing “white guilt.” LMFAO! There is no such thing. But there is a such thing as white defensiveness. And you need to get over that. 

It's not pure horse crap.

 

I have no association with our country's "white legacy." My parents weren't born here, neither was I.

 

Maybe you were. Maybe you should feel bad if you are K-9 E. Lee the 29th.

 

I'm not going to feel guilty for things neither me nor my ancestors took part in. And I'm not going to stand for another person who think he speaks for me just because he shares my melanin ratio.

 

That's the real horsecrap.

 

 

Edited July 22, 2020 by FireChans

[K-9]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

There has been an active slave trade in the middle East and Africa for 3000 years

 

Still ongoing today

 

America has parts of a dark history, but it is still by far the greatest country on the face of this Earth, with the most freedom

 

Even if you go back to our slavery days, only 10% of the pretty rich in America owned slaves. It was not a majority of people

 

100000 Southerners fought with the Union to free the slaves. Hundreds of thousands of Union troops died to free the slaves

 

There were a lot of good people who knew it is wrong

It’s not just about the slavery issue. As a nation, we have to reconcile government sanctioned genocide, Jim Crow and the remnants of its systemic racism, voter suppression, etc. Slavery is just one issue. 

15 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Blood tests can take hours to administer. It buys time for a perp to possibly get off the hook.

How and who did Ed Oliver pay in the DA’s office to have those tests come back negative. 

13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It's not pure horse crap.

 

I have no association with our country's "white legacy." My parents weren't born here, neither was I.

 

Maybe you were. Maybe you should feel bad if you are K-9 E. Lee the 29th.

 

I'm not going to feel guilty for things neither me nor my ancestors took part in. And I'm not going to stand for another person who think he speaks for me just because he shares my melanin ratio.

 

That's the real horsecrap.

 

 

Are you under the delusion that I’m speaking for you? Your horse crap bucket is deep. You need to get over your defensiveness. 
 

And to clue you in, it isn’t just white people that have to reconcile our nations’s past. It’s all of us. As a nation. That is, if we are REALLY serious about seeing the promise of America lived up to. 

Edited July 22, 2020 by K-9

[Mr. WEO]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

For speeding and swerving?  No.  I see that dozens of times on the road to work everyday.

 

I didn't ask you if you call 9-1-1, doc.  Nice try.

 

Just answer the very simple question.  Can cops make a stop based on a 9-1-1 call?

Edited July 22, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[GaryPinC]

15 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No, not seconding it:  I'm calling out the ridiculously stupid initial 911 call.  If everyone called the cops on everyone who sped and swerved...

Well, if you feel there is a person driving so erratically, they could cause a serious accident or injury why would you NOT call it in?

[Augie]

3 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

not so sure on who in the original thread talked about the cops in the area, but there was you, @Augie @Mango and myself saying "hey, lets wait for the tests to come back" . Argued in that thread he did not appear intoxicated in that video, was pretty well eviscerated by most folks LOL...

 

 

 

 

Let us hope that NEXT time something like this happens (and sadly there WILL be a next time), we can avoid rushing to judgement without all the facts. I mean, next time the guy may in fact be guilty, but either way.........let’s wait for the facts to come out and let the the process to run it’s course. After all, we are all about “the process”, remember? 

 

 

 

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Edited July 22, 2020 by Augie

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Blood tests can take hours to administer. It buys time for a perp to possibly get off the hook.

 

Again if this were a thing, no player would get nailed for DUI.

 

[That's No Moon]

2 hours ago, arcane said:

Right? What cop would put his livelihood and life as he knows it on the line for that?

Turns out more than you'd think.

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

716 - seriously, maybe you're all you say you are.   Just hear this:

 

If you think racism in this country is about a tiny, tiny, tiny minority, you don't understand what racism is about.  Hear that, and let that sink in.  Maybe you are 100% not part of the problem, but until this country recognizes racism is about most of the white people living here, we're going nowhere.  The problem is everywhere. 

I totally agree that when people don't stand up for injustice it makes things worse

 

White people need to stand up for black brown and Asian people, but black brown Asian people also need to show solidarity

 

A House divided cannot stand

 

I have a history degree with a specialization in early American history. So I have lots of conversations about America with people... I had a conversation with a man before, who actually believed that over 50% of white Americans owned slaves

 

That can be a dangerous thinking, because if you believe that, then it's easy to believe that most whites are racist and hate most other ethnicities

 

Needless to say he was surprised, to find out that only about 10% of white people in America own slaves. and that a hundred thousand Southerners fought for the union to free the slaves.. and that hundreds of thousands of Union troops died to free the slaves

 

We have a lot of problems in our country, but there was even a lot of good men 150 years ago that died for those black people's freedoms and im glad they did

[GaryPinC]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I didn't ask you if you call 9-1-1, doc.  Nice try.

 

Just answer the very simple question.  Can cops make a stop based on a 9-1-1 call?

You're right, disagreers are clearly wrong.  Police are allowed to make a brief investigative stop based on a reasonable 911 call.  

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

You're right, disagreers are clearly wrong.  Police are allowed to make a brief investigative stop based on a reasonable 911 call.  

 

 

I mean this is the basis of 9-1-1(reporting crimes or dangerous situations), other than for medical emergencies.  Who would not understand this as obvious?

 

 

Edited July 22, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[John from Riverside]

6 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Let us hope that NEXT time something like this happens (and sadly there WILL be a next time), we can avoid rushing to judgement without all the facts. I mean, next time the guy may in fact be guilty, but either way.........let’s wait for the facts to come out the the process to run. We are all about “the process”, remember? 

Not a chance ppl love to rush to judgement.....that is there thing

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

I didn't ask you if you call 9-1-1, doc.  Nice try.

 

Just answer the very simple question.  Can cops make a stop based on a 9-1-1 call?

 

Just on a call of speeding and swerving?  No.  They should respond to the call and see if they can observe it since if they're drunk, even if they see a cop, they still can't help themselves.

 

3 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

Well, if you feel there is a person driving so erratically, they could cause a serious accident or injury why would you NOT call it in?

 

If I saw it happen it would likely be once since if they're speeding, they'd have passed me.  Again I see it all the time.

 

1 minute ago, BUFFALOBART said:

It worked out for Oliver. That does not always happen. Let's hope that he learns from this, and hires a Limo, when he wants to party.

 

Learns to hire a Limo...when he's not drunk?  Or under the influence of anything?

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Just on a call of speeding and swerving?  No.  They should respond to the call and see if they can observe it since if they're drunk, even if they see a cop, they still can't help themselves.

 

 

If I saw it happen it would likely be once since if they're speeding, they'd have passed me.  Again I see it all the time.

 

 

Learns to hire a Limo...when he's not drunk?  Or under the influence of anything?

 

Wrong again.  It absolutely is allowed.  I even cited the USSC decision to help you not make that unforced error.

 

Instead, you tripled down on it.

[Doc]

Just now, BUFFALOBART said:

Hire a limo, where you are 'going out', for the evening.

Simple enough, 'eh?

 

He was driving dune buggies all day.  And had a trailer with them.

[Shaw66]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I totally agree that when people don't stand up for injustice it makes things worse

 

White people need to stand up for black brown and Asian people, but black brown Asian people also need to show solidarity

 

A House divided cannot stand

 

I have a history degree with a specialization in early American history. So I have lots of conversations about America with people... I had a conversation with a man before, who actually believed that over 50% of white Americans owned slaves

 

That can be a dangerous thinking, because if you believe that, then it's easy to believe that most whites are racist and hate most other ethnicities

 

Needless to say he was surprised, to find out that only about 10% of white people in America own slaves. and that a hundred thousand Southerners fought for the union to free the slaves.. and that hundreds of thousands of Union troops died to free the slaves

 

We have a lot of problems in our country, but there was even a lot of good men 150 years ago that died for those black people's freedoms and im glad they did

You sound like a nice guy.  You're living in a false reality. I hope someday you will see the truth. 

[YoloinOhio]

33 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

"Wrong again"?  LOL!

 

Seeing you twist yourself in a pretzel never gets old.

Ah, a little Doc vs WEO on a Wednesday. 
 

[MJS]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Perhaps the police officer did not observe this behavior.

 

I do not believe they can charge someone with a traffic violation based on hearsay (a phoned report) but perhaps I am incorrect here?

 

I personally would not want to be able to be charged with something because Citizen Cathy called the police and reported that I was driving 80 mpg in a 45 mpg zone and driving erratically, unless there were some corroborating evidence of this.

 

And you can't tell how fast a car is going without looking at the speedometer. So there's no way to know if he was going that fast unless the cops clocked him at that speed.

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

You sound like a nice guy.  You're living in a false reality. I hope someday you will see the truth. 

If the world is as effed up as you're making it sound

 

Wouldn't it be better to live in perpetual bliss so I can continue to be the kind of guy I am. Instead of possibly becoming angry at the world

 

I can and do make a difference in my community because I'm positive

Edited July 22, 2020 by Buffalo716

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Wrong again.  It absolutely is allowed.  I even cited the USSC decision to help you not make that unforced error.

 

Instead, you tripled down on it.

 

Great.  Sure worked well here, eh?

 

And nothing beats the quadrupling you did in the original thread.  It was reminiscent of your Shady takes.  Like I said, comedy gold.

[Mango]

1 hour ago, GaryPinC said:

Um, considering many states have a legal breathalyzer limit of 0.08, "zero point zero" doesn't really mean anything in this instance.

 

I mean, his attorney made a point of saying EO’s blood work came back greater than 0.000. Attorneys are dumb, I would guess via bloodwork it revealed something like 0.0004. Which mean he had a beer like 9 hours earlier. 

[K-9]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I totally agree that when people don't stand up for injustice it makes things worse

 

White people need to stand up for black brown and Asian people, but black brown Asian people also need to show solidarity

 

A House divided cannot stand

 

I have a history degree with a specialization in early American history. So I have lots of conversations about America with people... I had a conversation with a man before, who actually believed that over 50% of white Americans owned slaves

 

That can be a dangerous thinking, because if you believe that, then it's easy to believe that most whites are racist and hate most other ethnicities

 

Needless to say he was surprised, to find out that only about 10% of white people in America own slaves. and that a hundred thousand Southerners fought for the union to free the slaves.. and that hundreds of thousands of Union troops died to free the slaves

 

We have a lot of problems in our country, but there was even a lot of good men 150 years ago that died for those black people's freedoms and im glad they did

Can you clarify this because it sounds like you’re saying racism is hereditary by suggesting that descendants of white slave owners are racist by relation to their ancestors. 

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Great.  Sure worked well here, eh?

 

And nothing beats the quadrupling you did in the original thread.  It was reminiscent of your Shady takes.  Like I said, comedy gold.

 

 

quadrupling on...what?  

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Great.  Sure worked well here, eh?

 

And nothing beats the quadrupling you did in the original thread.  It was reminiscent of your Shady takes.  Like I said, comedy gold.

 

 

Did I say "he's guilty, lock him up?"

[FireChans]

36 minutes ago, K-9 said:

It’s not just about the slavery issue. As a nation, we have to reconcile government sanctioned genocide, Jim Crow and the remnants of its systemic racism, voter suppression, etc. Slavery is just one issue. 

How and who did Ed Oliver pay in the DA’s office to have those tests come back negative. 

Are you under the delusion that I’m speaking for you? Your horse crap bucket is deep. You need to get over your defensiveness. 
 

And to clue you in, it isn’t just white people that have to reconcile our nations’s past. It’s all of us. As a nation. That is, if we are REALLY serious about seeing the promise of America lived up to. 

You said, “in terms of our country’s legacy, it’s a whites only thing.”

 

Maybe if you amended that statement with the above, we wouldn’t disagree.

[Shaw66]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

If the world is as effed up as you're making it sound

 

Wouldn't it be better to live in perpetual bliss so I can continue to be the kind of guy I am. Instead of possibly becoming angry at the world

 

I can and do make a difference in my community because I'm positive

That is absolutely true, and I think it's one of the most positive and simplest solutions to to racism.  Just do the right thing.  

 

The limitation of that approach is that if you can't see racism all around you, and you don't, there are a lot of right things to do that you're missing. 

[Mr. WEO]

19 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Ah, a little Doc vs WEO on a Wednesday. 
 

 

More like:

 

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Can you clarify this because it sounds like you’re saying racism is hereditary by suggesting that descendants of white slave owners are racist by relation to their ancestors. 

I don't think it's hereditary I think it's a learned behavior from all ethnicities

 

That story was specifically about one conversation I had with an individual, who believed that over half of white Americans owned slaves back in the day.. and that was his rationale for white people being racist. If over 50% were racist back then , must be the same today

 

Because where did they all go? That was basically his point

 

And I had to explain that there were way more white people that fought and died to free the slaves, then there were people who were owning slaves

 

if you grow up thinking that all or the majority of white people were descendants of slave owners, whether you're white Asian black brown... it's certainly would put them in a very negative light in your mind

 

I know white people who hate their ancestors for owning slaves and actually hate themselves for being white.. and I say you can hate your ancestors, but don't hate yourself because you're different and you can do good