Doc Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: <br /> Hire a nanny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: Hire a nanny. To raise your new baby while you stay separate from it the next 4-6 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: To raise your new baby while you stay separate from it the next 4-6 months? To help your wife as she raises it. Maybe hire a manny? Edited July 17, 2020 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, Doc said: To help your wife as she raises it. Without you for the next 4-6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Without you for the next 4-6 months. Yes. It's either that or sit out the season without pay. Edited July 17, 2020 by Doc 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 32 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The article: https://www.outkick.com/nfl-players-coaches-need-to-better-understand-viral-load/ @Mr. WEO what do you think of this? I don't have a high opinion of Chao. He's got some good analogies in here. I agree with him that banning jersey swaps is silly, asking players to mask before meeting up after the game makes sense. Where I don't understand his assessment is in talking about the contacts during game play as "tackling a player and coming into direct contact for a brief period of time". Sometimes same DB is assigned to cover the same WR all game. The OL is going against the same DL and LB all game, and often those are the same players facing off. So each contact may be brief, but the sum of the contacts adds up. Or so it seems to me. Chao is a copiously documented hack. Total 007 who should have lost his privileges to practice any type of medicine years ago. Anyway, he's mostly making things up there. No one knows what viral load imparts infections (he cleverly helps us by saying it's not a single "virus" that will do it, as though as though these infinitely small particles might sometimes travel solo). If someone in a game or a locker room is actually positive, he will infect others either in the locker room or during the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Doc said: Yes. It's either that or sit out the season. and they've only had months to figure this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Read through a couple of the comments and I was wondering when people would start to get annoyed at athletes complaining about “pandemic football issues” when so many that root for them are currently/have been working through a pandemic in construction, roofing, retail, restaurants etc.. Not everyone has a WFH option and are usually making way less than NFL minimum salaries. Was just thinking the same thing. As if these players are the only ones that have to go make a living while having a family at home. and let’s be real. These players will most likely have access to testing and other sources that the cashier at the local grocery store doesn’t have. Edited July 17, 2020 by Stank_Nasty 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, Warcodered said: and they've only had months to figure this out. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Was just thinking the same thing. As if these players are the only ones that have to go make a living while having a family at home. and let’s be real. These players will most likely have access to testing and other sources that the cashier at the local grocery store doesn’t have. Yea, im not trying to minimize certain situations - for instance, if there’s a “bubble” per se, can you bring your wife/gf/kids whoever with you into the bubble? These are unprecedented times and nothing is normal, so you’re not necessarily disrupting anyone’s normal routine. Also, I’m sure they can have protocols in place for visitation for anyone not with you in a “bubble” or if family members aren’t allowed. For instance, I doubt the NFL will have trouble getting rapid testing - arrange for testing of those coming to visit a player and if they get successive negatives over the course of the week leading up, it’s a go. It’s not like players are jet-setting all over the place during the season anyway. NFL will just have to figure out bye weeks and, yea, sorry.. you probably can’t go clubbing when you play an away game in Miami, Atlanta or Vegas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 47 minutes ago, SCBills said: Yea, im not trying to minimize certain situations - for instance, if there’s a “bubble” per se, can you bring your wife/gf/kids whoever with you into the bubble? These are unprecedented times and nothing is normal, so you’re not necessarily disrupting anyone’s normal routine. Also, I’m sure they can have protocols in place for visitation for anyone not with you in a “bubble” or if family members aren’t allowed. For instance, I doubt the NFL will have trouble getting rapid testing - arrange for testing of those coming to visit a player and if they get successive negatives over the course of the week leading up, it’s a go. It’s not like players are jet-setting all over the place during the season anyway. NFL will just have to figure out bye weeks and, yea, sorry.. you probably can’t go clubbing when you play an away game in Miami, Atlanta or Vegas. Wouldn't protocol be wife or gf and child quarantine for 14 days, test, then be allowed to visit? This actually shouldn't be hard. An awful inconvenience yes but it shouldn't be difficult to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Blitz Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: If you aren't going to play preseason games, why would they need to be there 6 full weeks before the regular season starts? I wouldn't be surprised if they dont report till around August 8th or 9th at the latest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Doc said: Yes. It's either that or sit out the season without pay. Or he can just go to work, see his kid, and take that chance like most do. You know, like the person that bags the elite athletes groceries at the store, or the nurse that takes care of them when they get carted off the field. I have no problem with anyone sitting out the season, that’s their choice. I would never criticize a guy for doing that. It’s just the public grandstanding that gets a bit old with these guys. I’m not sure where they are expecting to find sympathy. You are absolutely correct, he has three options: sit out, hire a nanny, or just go home to his family after games. It’s quite simple, and it seems like some players are hoping to persuade the league to call off the season, but still get full pay. I think that’s ultimately what some of these public statements are hoping to accomplish. Edited July 17, 2020 by SirAndrew 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 55 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Seems like the nflpa standoff will dictate when they report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: Or he can just go to work, see his kid, and take that chance like most do. You know, like the person that bags the elite athletes groceries at the store, or the nurse that takes care of them when they get carted off the field. I have no problem with anyone sitting out the season, that’s their choice. I would never criticize a guy for doing that. It’s just the public grandstanding that gets a bit old with these guys. I’m not sure where they are expecting to find sympathy. Here with me. Bitching about player complaints is just plain stupid. You want a season, you want players to take a chance for your enjoyment(gambling) and you B word about some comments made by some players?! They are people with opinions just like you, not robots. I'm happy the nfl is still trying to have a season that most likely won't happen, but these guys are taking a big risk to play the season out. I could only imagine the vitriol here if the NFLPA and players decide it's not safe to play. Some selfish people here and you don't even realize it. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) On 7/17/2020 at 8:33 AM, Dopey said: Here with me. Bitching about player complaints is just plain stupid. You want a season, you want players to take a chance for your enjoyment(gambling) and you B word about some comments made by some players?! They are people with opinions just like you, not robots. I'm happy the nfl is still trying to have a season that most likely won't happen, but these guys are taking a big risk to play the season out. I could only imagine the vitriol here if the NFLPA and players decide it's not safe to play. Some selfish people here and you don't even realize it. I respect your opinion, and completely understand most of it. I just don’t understand how some people finding players making statements about “having families” coming across as a bit prima donna is a selfish statement. They would be taking a risk, you are correct, but it’s a risk they can choose not to take. This isn’t conscription, no one is being forced to go to battle. I’m fine with a guy choosing to sit out, so I don’t see my opinion as being selfish. A selfish opinion would be criticizing someone for not playing. I just don’t get the social media posts reminding us they have families. They aren’t the only people with an employer asking them to work. It seems like some guys want to sit out, and get a full paycheck. That’s generally not how it works, but everyone has the choice to stay home. There has been a trend long before Covid where players positioned themselves as being victims of some evil system. Personally, it’s never been something I’ve agreed with. Edited July 18, 2020 by SirAndrew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 59 minutes ago, Dopey said: Here with me. Bitching about player complaints is just plain stupid. You want a season, you want players to take a chance for your enjoyment(gambling) and you B word about some comments made by some players?! They are people with opinions just like you, not robots. I'm happy the nfl is still trying to have a season that most likely won't happen, but these guys are taking a big risk to play the season out. I could only imagine the vitriol here if the NFLPA and players decide it's not safe to play. Some selfish people here and you don't even realize it. Literally nobody in this thread has demanded a player play the season. No one. Restaurant servers living off tips are back at work. Construction workers and roofers are back at work. Truckers are back at work. Grocery store clerks are back at work, and have been throughout the entire pandemic. They too can choose to not work. They will also lose their job and likely don’t make anywhere close to an NFL minimum salary. Pointing that out isn’t selfish. Nobody here is demanding that Feliciano play this season...but he's not any different than the multitude of people in this country barely getting by financially, but still going back to work during a pandemic.... oh, except that he’s not barely getting by financially. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 And no one is getting tested (as often) as players will be. Follow the guidelines, point out those who aren't, and you'll in all likelihood be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: No surprise. I will be amazed if they play any games, let alone a full 16 game season and playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: No surprise. I will be amazed if they play any games, let alone a full 16 game season and playoffs. Sad but likely. Edited July 17, 2020 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aristocrat Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I think the season should start 4-6 weeks late to let this play out more and we get more of a handle on the virus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Penfield45 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 hours ago, LabattBlue said: No surprise. I will be amazed if they play any games, let alone a full 16 game season and playoffs. Camps being delayed would be the nail in the coffin for the season tbh. Imo it should be pushed back to spring 2021, play in empty stadiums and shorten the season. remove all AFC-NFC games. they will have enough time to start the following season in September 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Players do seem to be showing up in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Players do seem to be showing up in the area. They have to be here early for the quarantine period. Less than 2 weeks to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: Camps being delayed would be the nail in the coffin for the season tbh. Imo it should be pushed back to spring 2021, play in empty stadiums and shorten the season. remove all AFC-NFC games. they will have enough time to start the following season in September I don’t see how “delay” is a viable option for sports. Either they play or don’t. Nothing changes unless/until we get a vaccine. Even a state like New York, who has slow-rolled their re-opening, has the strictest mask/distancing regulations in the country and has already had a massive wave of cases and death, is seeing the same exact trends that southern states like Florida, Georgia, Texas etc saw a few months ago when they re-opened to the levels N.Y. is currently in. Either we learn to live with it or we shut down certain parts of life. The United States is densely populated with a open economy, so comparing us to Europe or China or whoever, isn’t exactly an apt comparison. Not saying you did that, but I see it other places, and it’s intellectually dishonest when you look at population density and socio-economic factors. Edited July 17, 2020 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warcodered Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Isn't that what the 3week covid IR is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Isn't that what the 3week covid IR is? Not exactly. The way I read it, Covid positive cases go to IR for 3 weeks. Separately, any player sent to IR for regular injury can return in 3 weeks instead of 8. I expect the reason would be to try to keep a roster as full as possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Penfield45 said: Camps being delayed would be the nail in the coffin for the season tbh. Imo it should be pushed back to spring 2021, play in empty stadiums and shorten the season. remove all AFC-NFC games. they will have enough time to start the following season in September Pen, I am not jumping on you at all, my friend. I just disagree with the premise (and it has been raised before) that any delay in the season, or rather the start of the season, means they should wrap things up. We have hockey, baseball and basket ball starting up their mini seasons long after two of their seasons would normally be over and one of them would be near or at its all-star break. I just don't see where it is written in stone that if the Sunday season didn't start on September 13th there would be so much trouble. If it helps them get things straight I can't image any squawk over a season starting on September 27th or October 4th and having the full season go until Super Bowl on February 28th. Combine and the draft can all be very easily moved without any adverse effect on 2021. Mind you, just my opinion. Edited July 17, 2020 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Pen, I am not jumping on you at all, my friend. I just disagree with the premise (and it has been raised before) that any delay in the season, or rather the start of the season, means they should wrap things up. We have hockey, baseball and basket ball starting up their mini seasons long after two of their seasons would normally be over and one of them would be near or at its all-star break. I just don't see where it is written in stone that if the Sunday season didn't start on September 13th there would be so much trouble. If it helps them get things straight I can't image any squawk over a season starting on September 27th or October 4th and having the full season go until Super Bowl on February 28th. Combine and the draft can all be very easily moved without any adverse effect on 2021. Mind you, just my opinion. Actually starting earlier makes more sense than delaying. Delaying accomplishes nothing. Spreading out the games over a longer time period to allow for more rest/recovery (due to compressed off season conditioning) and quarantine time for impacted players would be the most beneficial way to go. From what I hear this is a strong consideration for the power 5. They are shortening the season to 10 conference games and then will play starting week Zero and until December with 18 week season. This would allow multiple bye weeks and 2 weeks off between many games. Compressed bowl season. CFB playoff would not be impacted from a timing perspective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I respect the fact that they're genuinely trying to find solutions and create a safe environment for players and coaches, but man... I just don't know. There are too many variables, too many what ifs. I mean, if one of your starters comes down with it he goes into quarantine but does everyone he's been in contact with also have to quarantine? What if it hits a team and 20 or 30 players get it at the same time? Over half your roster has to go sit on IR for three weeks? Who's gonna play in place of those guys? How would that be fair to that team? They gonna allow a 40 player practice squad? I wanna see a full season as much as the next fan but I just don't see this playing out very well. I'm excited for this current Bills roster. I wanna see Allen take the next step and throw 35 touchdowns and 4000 yards. I wanna see Singletary and Moss run circles around defenses and see Tre pick off 10 passes while Edmunds becomes a top five MLB and Epenesa goes beast mode and racks up 15 sacks and a DROTY award. I wanna see Diggs catch 75 passes and score 12 TDs. Most of all I wanna see all that in a packed stadium with 68k Bills Mafia going ape-dookie. But at this point in time.... I just don't see it happening. And if it does, I don't think it'll be your typical NFL season. Not trying to come off like a pessimist, I try to find the bright spots as much as I can, but just looking at how things are right now with so many variables and unanswerable questions, it's difficult to truly believe it's gonna be business as usual. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Actually starting earlier makes more sense than delaying. Delaying accomplishes nothing. Spreading out the games over a longer time period to allow for more rest/recovery (due to compressed off season conditioning) and quarantine time for impacted players would be the most beneficial way to go. From what I hear this is a strong consideration for the power 5. They are shortening the season to 10 conference games and then will play starting week Zero and until December with 18 week season. This would allow multiple bye weeks and 2 weeks off between many games. Compressed bowl season. CFB playoff would not be impacted from a timing perspective. That's very interesting. Either way, moving the opening or moving things around just doesn't seem to be a bellwether of canceling the season. I hate you for being clear headed, YOLO. Please panic more, but remember to hug your loved ones and tell them that you love them, regardless of your mood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 6 hours ago, SCBills said: Restaurant servers living off tips are back at work. Construction workers and roofers are back at work. Truckers are back at work. Grocery store clerks are back at work, and have been throughout the entire pandemic. They are all wearing masks, or they should be. I haven't seen any updates on a potential helmet with a built in mask. If even one player or coach on the team has the virus, everyone is at risk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: They are all wearing masks, or they should be. I haven't seen any updates on a potential helmet with a built in mask. If even one player or coach on the team has the virus, everyone is at risk. The people they are serving aren’t wearing masks, and they are touching surfaces and money/cards/common items. If even one person comes to eat at the restaurant with the virus, everyone is at risk. Edited July 17, 2020 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, SCBills said: The people they are serving aren’t wearing masks, and they are touching surfaces and money/cards/common items. That depends on the state. In states that are getting it under control the customers would also be wearing masks. Surface contact does not transmit the virus very well at all, it is almost all airborne. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, HappyDays said: That depends on the state. In states that are getting it under control the customers would also be wearing masks. Surface contact does not transmit the virus very well at all, it is almost all airborne. Oh, really, the customers would be wearing their masks as they eat and drink? Also... It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.Jul 7, 2020 https://www.fda.gov › coronavirus-... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: You would quarantine them all and test the other guys all the way up to game day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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