Raheem Mostert requests trade

[BarleyNY]

I don’t blame a player who’s way outperforming his contract for wanting more money - especially when that player is in a spot like this 28 year old RB is in.  And I don’t blame a team for not wanting to pay a RB.  It’ll be interesting to see where this goes.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

32 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

This.

 

 

 

 

OK, maybe I don't take back my earlier "This" comment as it is not like he is getting the league minimum.  However, still, you have to do right by a guy.  Give him a reasonable bump, even if just one time.

 
Is it me of does 3.5 million for an 800 yard RB seem in line with the norm? 

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

I wouldn't call him a bum or a dime a dozen RB. He had some injury issues earlier in his career.  He has elite speed, one of the fastest backs in the league.  Rare speed. He's not a great between the tackles guy.  SF more than other teams figured out how to utilize his strengths (speed in space) and he stayed healthy in 2019.  He's getting paid almost $3 mil a year which might not be what he thinks he's worth after 2019, but he probably didn't have a lot of suitors when he signed with SF.  With 2 years left he'll have a stronger case if he has another good year and SF wants to extend him. 

 

He's bounced around for his career.  He's taken paychecks from 7 different teams.  He has 4 career games over 80 yards.  One over 100---even last season.   SF picked him off the heap for at least what he is worth.  SF payed him 1.3 million from '17-'19 to do nothing.  Then, despite  that, they decided to give him another 8.7 million for the next 3 years.

 

Sure, if he has a monster year this season, maybe then they will offer him more beyond the contract he just signed last year.  Until then, he has proven nothing.  No one is paying for "elite speed".  He needs to produce on a regular basis.  He's putting up Singletary numbers.  We don't see his agent calling for more money.  He's already getting more annual money than Carlos Hyde and AP (who is a better value at a million years old)...and of course every rookie contract RB currently far better than him.

 

He is finally delivering a team some value for the money he is getting and he feels he deserves more.  Good luck, bro.

[Sherlock Holmes]

2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Based upon your previous postings, I figured it would have something to do with tight football pants.  ?

They need to squeeze him into a pair of XXXS pants ASAP

[Mr. WEO]

22 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I don’t blame a player who’s way outperforming his contract for wanting more money - especially when that player is in a spot like this 28 year old RB is in.  And I don’t blame a team for not wanting to pay a RB.  It’ll be interesting to see where this goes.

 

Except he's not.  He's the 25th highest paid (per annum) RB and (for the first time in his career) he's 26th in yards rushing.

 

He's not a feature back--not heavily used (32nd in attempts).  He's getting exactly what he's worth, based on what he has produced so far.

[Putin]

If the 49’ers were to trade him could they get. 3rd round pick for him ?

[Haze_21]

Being an rb it makes sense to try to get paid. These guys put their body on the line every play they should try to make as much money as they can when they can, their careers are short lived and they takea  beating. They are trying to milk billionares I dont get why so many people are against players trying to get theirs.

 

Mostert averages 6.0 ypc carer and has legit track athlete speed his personal bests are close to tyreeks, it looks like he put it together as a football player. Didnt he just have the 2nd most yards ever in a playoff game. RBs are a dime a dozen but he makes an offense more efficient. I think he gets a slight bump and both sides are happy.

[Mr. WEO]

14 minutes ago, Haze_21 said:

Being an rb it makes sense to try to get paid. These guys put their body on the line every play they should try to make as much money as they can when they can, their careers are short lived and they takea  beating. They are trying to milk billionares I dont get why so many people are against players trying to get theirs.

 

Mostert averages 6.0 ypc carer and has legit track athlete speed his personal bests are close to tyreeks, it looks like he put it together as a football player. Didnt he just have the 2nd most yards ever in a playoff game. RBs are a dime a dozen but he makes an offense more efficient. I think he gets a slight bump and both sides are happy.

 

 

LOL.  His career began in 2015.

 

Anyway, he just got a huge bump last year (for 3 years) for a journeyman RB.

 

 

Edited July 10, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[Just Joshin']

15 minutes ago, Putin said:

If the 49’ers were to trade him could they get. 3rd round pick for him ?

Which player are you getting?  The one good year or special teams ace?

[Haze_21]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

LOL.....what??

 

Anyway, he just got a huge bump last year (for 3 years) for a journeyman RB.

 

 

 

"Mostert outgained Green Bay 156-93 (he had one catch for -4 yards) en route to a 27-0 halftime lead that left little doubt about who the NFC’s top team was. By the third quarter he’d broken Colin Kaepernick’s record for most rushing yards in a playoff game in San Francisco history. He finished his night with 220 yards and four touchdowns — second only to Eric Dickerson’s 1986 showing against the Cowboys as the league’s top postseason running performance."

 

His career average is 6.0. Check pro football reference. Small sample size but he flashes. Sure he was a journeyman but plenty of talented players slip through the cracks for various reasons. Im not saying give him cmac money but he should ask for more than a special team contract.

 

[Mr. WEO]

19 minutes ago, Haze_21 said:

 

"Mostert outgained Green Bay 156-93 (he had one catch for -4 yards) en route to a 27-0 halftime lead that left little doubt about who the NFC’s top team was. By the third quarter he’d broken Colin Kaepernick’s record for most rushing yards in a playoff game in San Francisco history. He finished his night with 220 yards and four touchdowns — second only to Eric Dickerson’s 1986 showing against the Cowboys as the league’s top postseason running performance."

 

His career average is 6.0. Check pro football reference. Small sample size but he flashes. Sure he was a journeyman but plenty of talented players slip through the cracks for various reasons. Im not saying give him cmac money but he should ask for more than a special team contract.

 

 

Mostert has 178 CAREER carries, so his average is nice, but over really one full season--not that meaningful.  Does no one here remember Spiller's one season at 6 YPA??  He was a far better back and yet he slid off the cliff a year after that season.

 

Mostert had 13 games with 60 or fewer yards last year (and 7 under 45) --including 58 in the SB.  20% of his entire season rushing total came in 1 game! 

 

He's getting RB money commensurate with his ranking as a RB last year.  Smart teams don't blow up a new contract on a journeyman for one great game.

 

Edited July 10, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[Albany,n.y.]

When I saw this, this is the 1st guy I thought of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Smith 

[BarleyNY]

50 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Except he's not.  He's the 25th highest paid (per annum) RB and (for the first time in his career) he's 26th in yards rushing.

 

He's not a feature back--not heavily used (32nd in attempts).  He's getting exactly what he's worth, based on what he has produced so far.

The opinion of his value isn’t mine, it’s his.  You’re obviously welcome to your own opinion of his value.  Likewise the 49ers have their own.  Both the player and team are free to act accordingly.

 

Mostert thinks he’s undervalued and he’s trying to get paid.  Fine.  Personally I would very rarely pay a RB so I’m not a good gauge here.

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 
Is it me of does 3.5 million for an 800 yard RB seem in line with the norm? 

 

 

It is not just you, but I would still throw him a bone.  Even if it is just $750k..and just for this season.  

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

I don’t blame a player who’s way outperforming his contract for wanting more money 

 

5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

The opinion of his value isn’t mine, it’s his.  You’re obviously welcome to your own opinion of his value.  Likewise the 49ers have their own.  Both the player and team are free to act accordingly.

 

Mostert thinks he’s undervalued and he’s trying to get paid.  Fine.  Personally I would very rarely pay a RB so I’m not a good gauge here.

 

 

Your stated that he's "way outperforming his contract".  That's a clear opinion of his value attributed to you by you in your post.

19 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

When I saw this, this is the 1st guy I thought of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timmy_Smith 

 

Me too...

[BarleyNY]

12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Your stated that he's "way outperforming his contract".  That's a clear opinion of his value attributed to you by you in your post.

 

Jeebus.  Is my clarification/correction that I meant it was from his POV and not mine - after you pointed out that it came across as my personal opinion - not clear somehow?

[Malazan]

2 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

This.

 

OK, maybe I don't take back my earlier "This" comment as it is not like he is getting the league minimum.  However, still, you have to do right by a guy.  Give him a reasonable bump, even if just one time.

 

Who are these running backs that have 700 some yards and aren't a "full time" back that are getting paid more than him? You've got like Duke Johnson?

 

He, as a running back, had like 250 more yards than Josh Allen did as a QB. 

[Billl]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Except he's not.  He's the 25th highest paid (per annum) RB and (for the first time in his career) he's 26th in yards rushing.

 

He's not a feature back--not heavily used (32nd in attempts).  He's getting exactly what he's worth, based on what he has produced so far.

He had over 1100 yards rushing and 15 TDs including the postseason and led the league in YPC.

[Doc Brown]

Giving him a small pay bump since he outperformed his contract when they have the money is the sign of a well run organization.  Plus, they may need him more than we think as they traded Breida, McKinnon seems to get injured every time a leaf touches him, and Mostert clearly outperformed Coleman last year when asked to carry the ball more than 10 times.  Some RB's are made for the outside zone running scheme that requires good vision and quickness.  Mostert fits that bill.  Give that man his money.

 

 

 

Edited July 10, 2020 by Doc Brown

[Mr. WEO]

29 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Jeebus.  Is my clarification/correction that I meant it was from his POV and not mine - after you pointed out that it came across as my personal opinion - not clear somehow?

oy

 

11 minutes ago, Billl said:

He had over 1100 yards rushing and 15 TDs including the postseason and led the league in YPC.

 

See all of my above posts where I discussed his stats. 

 

And YPA is nice but....who cares if the guy hardly carries the ball?  For a large chunk of the regular season he didn't produce much.  He was a situational back with one decent season who already got a generous contract the year before for doing absolutely nothing.

 

Let him play every game as a feature back and see what happens.  For this guy in particular that should be the obvious plan for SF.

[NewEra]

He’s a fast running back getting carries in a shanahan offense.  Is anyone surprised he’s producing?  He should be happy with his 3.5 mill a year imo.  His salary is what’s keeping him a niner. If he wants more, someone else is gonna have to pay him.  I doubt SF gives him more

[Billl]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

oy

 

 

See all of my above posts where I discussed his stats. 

 

And YPA is nice but....who cares if the guy hardly carries the ball?  For a large chunk of the regular season he didn't produce much.  He was a situational back with one decent season who already got a generous contract the year before for doing absolutely nothing.

 

Let him play every game as a feature back and see what happens.  For this guy in particular that should be the obvious plan for SF.

Hard to produce when they aren’t giving you the ball.  He put up elite numbers when they did.  They’re going to nickel and dime the guy who as their best offensive weapon in the second half of the season and the playoffs and show themselves to be a franchise who won’t take care of their players.  He absolutely deserves to be the highest paid RB on the team, and that would cost them a negligible amount.

 

It always amazes me how often teams are willing to poison their locker rooms to save fractions of a percent of the salary cap.  Mostert was the engine of their offense in the postseason while their $30,000,000 QB did absolutely nothing.

[NoSaint]

21 minutes ago, Billl said:

Hard to produce when they aren’t giving you the ball.  He put up elite numbers when they did.  They’re going to nickel and dime the guy who as their best offensive weapon in the second half of the season and the playoffs and show themselves to be a franchise who won’t take care of their players.  He absolutely deserves to be the highest paid RB on the team, and that would cost them a negligible amount.

 

It always amazes me how often teams are willing to poison their locker rooms to save fractions of a percent of the salary cap.  Mostert was the engine of their offense in the postseason while their $30,000,000 QB did absolutely nothing.

Plenty of mediocre backs put up big numbers on 100-150 touches. 
 

I can get on board for touching up his deal but it’s not far outside his role or production as is 

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, Billl said:

Hard to produce when they aren’t giving you the ball.  He put up elite numbers when they did.  They’re going to nickel and dime the guy who as their best offensive weapon in the second half of the season and the playoffs and show themselves to be a franchise who won’t take care of their players.  He absolutely deserves to be the highest paid RB on the team, and that would cost them a negligible amount.

 

It always amazes me how often teams are willing to poison their locker rooms to save fractions of a percent of the salary cap.  Mostert was the engine of their offense in the postseason while their $30,000,000 QB did absolutely nothing.

 Ok...

 

 Nickel and dime?  They took a guy who was a career zero and made him the 25th highest paid RB in the NFL on the basis of a 261 yard season in 2018.  He upped his game.  Good for him.  

 

In the playoffs, he was a nonfactor in the 27-10 win over Vikings (12 carries, 58 yards, zero receptions, zero targets).  Only 34% offensive snaps.

 

In the SB he had one 2 yard pass, 58 yards rushing, and a TD.

 

If that was the 49ers "engine", they have realized they need a major shift in philosophy and drafted 2 WRs and a TE. 

 

They aren't paying a guy for one great game where he accrued 20% of his season's yards and 26% of his TDs.

[first_and_ten]

12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 Ok...

 

 Nickel and dime?  They took a guy who was a career zero and made him the 25th highest paid RB in the NFL on the basis of a 261 yard season in 2018.  He upped his game.  Good for him.  

 

In the playoffs, he was a nonfactor in the 27-10 win over Vikings (12 carries, 58 yards, zero receptions, zero targets).  Only 34% offensive snaps.

 

In the SB he had one 2 yard pass, 58 yards rushing, and a TD.

 

If that was the 49ers "engine", they have realized they need a major shift in philosophy and drafted 2 WRs and a TE. 

 

They aren't paying a guy for one great game where he accrued 20% of his season's yards and 26% of his TDs.

 

You just made the point why running backs are replaceable. The 49ers know this. I don't know what this guy expects. He's a fringe player who is making good money. Do I blame him for trying to get as much as he can in his limited window, no. But no one is going to pay him what he wants. 

[Buffalo03]

Should we trade for him? He can be the Mostert to Singletary and Moss's ketchup

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, Billl said:

He had over 1100 yards rushing and 15 TDs including the postseason and led the league in YPC.

So CJ spiller money then? 
 

ok 29mil/8seasons so about 3.5 mil? Ok good 

Edited July 10, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[That's No Moon]

20 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

The guy has 2 years left on his deal...has been in the league for 5 years and has had 1 good year at a position that doesn't get paid (because you can replace even the very best at it with a rookie and get good production). I'm not sure what his expectations are...

He's the 25th highest paid RB in the league by AAV (2.9M AAV with 2.4M guaranteed at signing)  That said he's 28 and the clock is ticking for him to be able to make money.  He won't be a FA again until he's 30 and by then it's too late.  I get it from his point of view.  It doesn't mean that anybody will acquire him to give him more money and I certainly don't know what his expectations are but when Duke Johnson is making 5.2M a year AAV and got almost 6M guaranteed. and Mike Davis is making 3M with 3M guaranteed there is probably someone willing to pay him something in between those two contracts without thinking about it too hard.

[Billl]

2 hours ago, NoSaint said:

Plenty of mediocre backs put up big numbers on 100-150 touches. 
 

I can get on board for touching up his deal but it’s not far outside his role or production as is 

How many backs put up 15 TDs on 190 touches?

 

LMAO...Bills RBs had 4 TDs combined for the entire regular season and postseason.  Buffalo had 13 as a team. Mostert had 5 just in the postseason.  He had 15 total, and people here want to act like he’s a bum.

Edited July 10, 2020 by Billl

[Mr. WEO]

18 minutes ago, Billl said:

How many backs put up 15 TDs on 190 touches?

 

How many career scrubs parlayed a career bouncing off of 6 teams and a 261 yard season into an $8.7 million/3 year payout?

 

Look the 49ers took a huge gamble on this guy--paying top 25 money before any significant contribution.  Now THEY get rewarded for their risk.

 

If he can repeat his value this season, then HE can be (again) rewarded.

 

Simple as that.

[NoSaint]

21 minutes ago, Billl said:

How many backs put up 15 TDs on 190 touches?

 

LMAO...Bills RBs had 4 TDs combined for the entire regular season and postseason.  Buffalo had 13 as a team. Mostert had 5 just in the postseason.  He had 15 total, and people here want to act like he’s a bum.

he’s paid as a slightly below average starting back. Put a number on what you think he should be paid.

[Mr. WEO]

47 minutes ago, Billl said:

How many backs put up 15 TDs on 190 touches?

 

LMAO...Bills RBs had 4 TDs combined for the entire regular season and postseason.  Buffalo had 13 as a team. Mostert had 5 just in the postseason.  He had 15 total, and people here want to act like he’s a bum.

 

 

Unfortunately for the 49ers, 4 of those came not in the Super Bowl, but in a blowout win over a completely defensively dominated Packers team. 

 

He's a one season wonder and he is being handsomely paid as such for now.  No team would offer much in trade compared to his current value to the 49ers.  So he has no leverage.

[Billl]

25 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Unfortunately for the 49ers, 4 of those came not in the Super Bowl, but in a blowout win over a completely defensively dominated Packers team. 

 

He's a one season wonder and he is being handsomely paid as such for now.  No team would offer much in trade compared to his current value to the 49ers.  So he has no leverage.

You’re not wrong, but that line of thinking is how the 49ers could win the battle but lose the war.  An extra $750k means a lot more to him than it means to their cap.  If that’s the difference between a happy starting RB and a locker room cancer, it’s a cost/value question.

 

I will say that it’s a weird argument you make about the Super Bowl when one of the biggest takeaways from than game is that they may have won it if they’d kept giving him the ball.  58 yards and a TD is pretty good when you only get 12 carries.

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, Billl said:

You’re not wrong, but that line of thinking is how the 49ers could win the battle but lose the war.  An extra $750k means a lot more to him than it means to their cap.  If that’s the difference between a happy starting RB and a locker room cancer, it’s a cost/value question.

 

I will say that it’s a weird argument you make about the Super Bowl when one of the biggest takeaways from than game is that they may have won it if they’d kept giving him the ball.  58 yards and a TD is pretty good when you only get 12 carries.

think he’s publicly asking for a trade over 750k?

[Rock'em Sock'em]

RB is a crazy position.  It's super important, but also relatively easy and cheap to fill.  Is there a single team that does not have a RB of Mostert's caliber?  Gus Edwards was #2 RB last year in YPC.  Breida, who also played for SF in 2019 was #5.

Edited July 10, 2020 by Rock'em Sock'em

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, Billl said:

You’re not wrong, but that line of thinking is how the 49ers could win the battle but lose the war.  An extra $750k means a lot more to him than it means to their cap.  If that’s the difference between a happy starting RB and a locker room cancer, it’s a cost/value question.

 

I will say that it’s a weird argument you make about the Super Bowl when one of the biggest takeaways from than game is that they may have won it if they’d kept giving him the ball.  58 yards and a TD is pretty good when you only get 12 carries.

 

 

They obvious disagree.  He had more caries for under 5 yards than over.  And once Mahomes woke up in the 4th, it was game over.  No more handing off to Mostert for 0,1,2,3 yards. His magic wore off after the Packers game, clearly.  Other than a 1 yard TD run, he was as useful as he was in the Vikings game.

 

And no doubt an extra 750K would mean more than 2.9 million.  But since they don't have to give him that, why would they?

[Billl]

19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

They obvious disagree.  He had more caries for under 5 yards than over.  And once Mahomes woke up in the 4th, it was game over.  No more handing off to Mostert for 0,1,2,3 yards. His magic wore off after the Packers game, clearly.  Other than a 1 yard TD run, he was as useful as he was in the Vikings game.

 

And no doubt an extra 750K would mean more than 2.9 million.  But since they don't have to give him that, why would they?

SF intercepted the ball up 10 with just under 12 minutes left in the game.  From there, they had the ball for 4 possessions.  He only got 4 carries total on those 4 drives.

 

Drive 1) 6 yard run by Mostert on first down.  1 yard run by Mostert on the following first down.  Ineffective pass play, ineffective pass play, punt.  TD Chiefs

Drive 2) 5 yard run by Mostert followed by two incompletions and a punt...TD Chiefs

 

Drive 3)  17 yard run by Mostert followed by 6 straight pass plays on a drive ending with three straight incompletions followed by a sack on 4th down...TD Chiefs

 

Drive 4) Incomplete pass, interception...Game Chiefs

 

 

How in the world do you come away from that thinking that giving it to Mostert wouldn’t have given them a better opportunity than watching Jimmy G try to win a shootout against Pat Mahomes?

[Punching Bag]

8 hours ago, berg1029 said:

The guy is old for a RB with no major contracts to speak of.  He outperformed his current contract by a lot.. I can't really blame him for trying to strike while the iron is hot, may be his only opportunity. 

 

A lot of rookies out perform him making less and he was already paid rookie scales to learn.

He should blame his agent on renewal - if he did not like contract he should have taken 1 year contract elsewhere to prove himself worthy of bigger one - bet on himself.

4 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

Should we trade for him? He can be the Mostert to Singletary and Moss's ketchup

 

I'd trade T.J. Yeldon for him but I am sure he would not like being #3 back.

[Mr. WEO]

13 minutes ago, Billl said:

SF intercepted the ball up 10 with just under 12 minutes left in the game.  From there, they had the ball for 4 possessions.  He only got 4 carries total on those 4 drives.

 

Drive 1) 6 yard run by Mostert on first down.  1 yard run by Mostert on the following first down.  Ineffective pass play, ineffective pass play, punt.  TD Chiefs

Drive 2) 5 yard run by Mostert followed by two incompletions and a punt...TD Chiefs

 

Drive 3)  17 yard run by Mostert followed by 6 straight pass plays on a drive ending with three straight incompletions followed by a sack on 4th down...TD Chiefs

 

Drive 4) Incomplete pass, interception...Game Chiefs

 

 

How in the world do you come away from that thinking that giving it to Mostert wouldn’t have given them a better opportunity than watching Jimmy G try to win a shootout against Pat Mahomes?

 

 

No QB wins a shootout vs Mahomes with a RB who has had 2 games over 100 yards in his career.

 

Against Green Bay, before halftime, Mostert had runs of 36, 13, 34, 10 and 18 yards for 3 TDs.  Against the Chiefs, he had runs of 1, 9, 11, 3, 2 by the half. They started the 3rd quarter with 2 scoring drives during which Mostert had runs of zero, 2 and 1 yards.  And as you pointed out, still up he put up a 6,1,5....

 

Clearly he had converted back into the pumpkin he was in the Vikings game.  Yes Jimmy G sucked, but  more Mostert churning out that weak cheese would have been hopeless.  Delusional. The only reason this game was close for as long as it was is because Mahomes had one of the worst 3/4 of a game in his career.  Then he simply destroyed the 49ers D. Down by 4 with 2 min from their own 27, they aren't going to be handing off to Mostert and hoping for a 34 yard run from two weeks prior.

[C.Biscuit97]

Tough situation.  His value will never been higher but I won’t pay him.  That system makes anyone look good and he hasn’t shown anything before and he is close to 30.  Maybe you give him a little bump but that would just being nice by the 49ers.  I totally get why he’s doing it but he has zero leverage.  And I won’t trade anything higher than a 6th.  
 

honestly, rbs should get together before the first game and just refuse to play.  It’s like one of the coolest positions in sports and they get tried like prostitutes.  They get used and abused and then tossed away.  If I had won, I would never let him play rb and it’s such an awesome position.