Goodbye Buffalo Bills and the NFL

[EasternOHBillsFan]

59 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said:

Since the NFL has decided to promote  political agendas outside of being a US citizen and chose to promote groups hostile to my family than I have decided to renounce my fanhood in the NFL.

 

I support black lives, rights and families but anything in support of the Black Lives Matter movement is an insult to families, black or whatever race, who built this game and passed it on to their children with their mission statement to abolish the nuclear family and support for Marxist ideology. 

 

Bye, Felicia!!! Bon Voyage!!! Good luck with your future rambling diatribes.

[JoPoy88]

Bye bye and thanks for the LAMP

[Golden Goat]

[RangerDave]

Is it possible, just possible, that this is not a "political agenda" that the NFL is promoting, but a "social agenda" which affects many of their players and many of their fans and which is long overdue?

Edited July 4, 2020 by RangerDave

[CSBill]

[oldmanfan]

31 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

“As a white man”, do you feel good about having to qualify your existence? 

I qualify because it is far past time for folks like me to recognize there are issues with minority folks in general that must finally be addressed.  I have a daughter that is Asian.  Her friend who is also Asian was refused service in a grocery store, was told We can’t serve people like you.  In a town near me there was a peaceful protest for black lives yesterday, and comments to a local news station included talking about “colored” or “ monkeys”.

 

Treatment if minorities in this country has been horrible for years.  I’m personally embarrassed it’s taken me so long to realize and speak up.

[muppy]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

Take some more with you.

I want his season tickets if they are Primo just sayin'....;-P haha Yeah take his/her ball and go home. Bravo.  Maybe a post to The league office instead of a Bills diehards message board would serve the OP better if he/she wishes to effect a change away from NFL and political activism just sayin'.

 

It'll be interesting reading to see who feels similarly.

Edited July 4, 2020 by Muppy

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I qualify because it is far past time for folks like me to recognize there are issues with minority folks in general that must finally be addressed.  I have a daughter that is Asian.  Her friend who is also Asian was refused service in a grocery store, was told We can’t serve people like you.  In a town near me there was a peaceful protest for black lives yesterday, and comments to a local news station included talking about “colored” or “ monkeys”.

 

Treatment if minorities in this country has been horrible for years.  I’m personally embarrassed it’s taken me so long to realize and speak up.

Lot of respect for you brother

[HamSandwhich]

8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I qualify because it is far past time for folks like me to recognize there are issues with minority folks in general that must finally be addressed.  I have a daughter that is Asian.  Her friend who is also Asian was refused service in a grocery store, was told We can’t serve people like you.  In a town near me there was a peaceful protest for black lives yesterday, and comments to a local news station included talking about “colored” or “ monkeys”.

 

Treatment if minorities in this country has been horrible for years.  I’m personally embarrassed it’s taken me so long to realize and speak up.

So let me guess, those instances = systemic racism, not individual situations, right? 
 

100% agree with racism needing to go away, and it needs to be called out when it happens. It’s not systemic and I’m not racist because of the color of my skin. Just because I’m born white does not mean I condone racism. They have you bending the knee to social justice ridiculousness and it needs to stop. Content of character, not the color of your skin. Quit seeing people as a monolithic group. Your “lived experience” is not the reality everywhere.

[Shaw66]

3 minutes ago, RangerDave said:

Is it possible, just possible, that this is not a "political agenda" that the NFL is promoting, but a "social agenda" which affects many of their players and many of their fans and which is long overdue?

There are a thousand important points in debate about racism in the U.S., and this is one of them.  This is near the top of the list.  This discussion isn't about politics any more than the discussion about wearing masks should be about politics. 

 

This discussion is about human beings and freedom. That's something I've always believed was at the core of our country. Human beings and freedom.  The people in the United States have not, and still do not, accept black people as human beings and we do not accord them the freedom accorded to white people. We systematically deny black men their freedom by over-aggressive policing and administration of the criminal justice system. We systematically deny black people the opportunity to earn a living like white people by job discrimination and double standards. We systematically keep black people uneducated, including many who are functionally illiterate, by segregating and under-funding their schools. 

 

This is about getting white people to realize that the society white people built and continue to operate intentionally forces black people to be a permanent underclass. 

 

This isn't about politics. This is about doing for real what many white people thought we did with civil rights laws in the 60s. This is about changing how we all think about and behave toward black people. It's about treating all people like human beings. It's about letting all people be free. It's about the promise of America, a promise we've made to everyone except black people. 

[Logic]

1 hour ago, BigBillsFan said:

Since the NFL has decided to promote  political agendas outside of being a US citizen and chose to promote groups hostile to my family than I have decided to renounce my fanhood in the NFL.

 

I hope many of you decide to join me and if you continue to watch just because you need a way to escape do not have any financial contributions to watching games and watch game solely in sports bars so that the NFL cannot directly contribute to the ratings.

 

Laughably I am a “Minority” and the reason why it’s laughable is that one’s voice should be based on the truth of the statement and not on the basis of skin color.

 

As a Native American I do not find the Buffalo Bills name offensive and while our history may have had moments of embarrassment we are stronger when we look for the truth of why our country is as great as it is and why people of all races and creeds wish to come here.

 

I support black lives, rights and families but anything in support of the Black Lives Matter movement is an insult to families, black or whatever race, who built this game and passed it on to their children with their mission statement to abolish the nuclear family and support for Marxist ideology. 

 

If you think that you can escape the consequences of believing that everything is to be criticized and nothing loved and than trust me eventually everything will be persecuted including you.

 

The powers of the league and society in general know that they can abuse after you because you are the hard-working and you are the people most responsible for your own personal actions and love your downtime so they think that they can bully you to accept getting kicked.

 

Whether you plan on watching this year or not let the NFL know how displeased you are. This is how they get to bully you. They use the threats of complaining which as responsible adults we see as childish and adolescent but we forget these people hate us and they hate our families and don’t ever underestimate wicked people.

 

The cheap insults I expect from petty people  shouldn’t bother you. They just know that you are a good person they can use insults whereas you find them to be morally reprehensible.

 

Never let weak bullies corner you. Fight back now. It is our Independence. God bless America

 

I had a feeling this post would be hilariously awful as soon as I saw the title. 

 

Then I saw who the author was, and I knew FOR SURE it would be hilariously awful.

 

It did not let me down. Comic gold.

[Shaw66]

14 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I’m personally embarrassed it’s taken me so long to realize and speak up.

Me too.  I've had similar personal experiences, and it's embarrassing to admit that it took me this long to see what we've done.  It's time to fix it, not because anyone is guilty or should be blamed. It's time to fix it because we, Americans, actually believe in freedom and equal opportunity. We just have developed a bad habit of denying those things for black people. 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

So let me guess, those instances = systemic racism, not individual situations, right? 
 

100% agree with racism needing to go away, and it needs to be called out when it happens. It’s not systemic and I’m not racist because of the color of my skin. Just because I’m born white does not mean I condone racism. They have you bending the knee to social justice ridiculousness and it needs to stop. Content of character, not the color of your skin. Quit seeing people as a monolithic group. Your “lived experience” is not the reality everywhere.

 Content of character will truly become correct when all are considered equal.  When as I pointed out above there are people of my skin color still referring to blacks as coloreds of monkeys we aren’t close to being there.

[Bill Lewes]

3 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

So let me guess, those instances = systemic racism, not individual situations, right? 
 

100% agree with racism needing to go away, and it needs to be called out when it happens. It’s not systemic and I’m not racist because of the color of my skin. Just because I’m born white does not mean I condone racism. They have you bending the knee to social justice ridiculousness and it needs to stop. Content of character, not the color of your skin. Quit seeing people as a monolithic group. Your “lived experience” is not the reality everywhere.

You misunderstand "systemic".   No one is calling you racist cuz you're white.  You're being reminded (taught?) that the system favors you cuz you're white.  No, maybe you don't feel like you're being treated special, but compared to people who aren't like you, the 400 year old systems in this country treat you better.

[LB3]

32 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I too am sick of the politics, and I’m not watching any more NFL football!!!

 

 

Until, of course, they start playing......which can’t come soon enough! 

 

 

P.S. - The Patriots avatar is a nice touch. Good idea for you to use this excuse for jumping ship.....the Cheaters* look to have some rough waters ahead.

 

 

 

. 

Patriots avatar spying with a camera.

[HamSandwhich]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

 Content of character will truly become correct when all are considered equal.  When as I pointed out above there are people of my skin color still referring to blacks as coloreds of monkeys we aren’t close to being there.

Right, again “lived experiences”. Again, your experience is not the rule, it’s the exception. The vast majority of white people are not racist. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, LB3 said:

Patriots avatar spying with a camera.

Go have a look at his posting history

[Rob's House]

1 hour ago, WhoTom said:

 

It's called "casting one's vote economically." Businesses have been doing it for years in the form of lobbying and campaign contributions.

 

 

 

There's a difference between choosing who you do business with and organized movements to prevent anyone who disagrees with you from doing business.

 

The latter is endorsed only by those who have utter contempt for the principle of free speech and seek to silence dissenting voices by any means necessary.

[GoBills808]

Just now, HamSandwhich said:

Right, again “lived experiences”. Again, your experience is not the rule, it’s the exception. The vast majority of white people are not racist. 

It’s going to be ok

[CBennett]

Ok see ya!

[Rob's House]

24 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I qualify because it is far past time for folks like me to recognize there are issues with minority folks in general that must finally be addressed.  I have a daughter that is Asian.  Her friend who is also Asian was refused service in a grocery store, was told We can’t serve people like you.  In a town near me there was a peaceful protest for black lives yesterday, and comments to a local news station included talking about “colored” or “ monkeys”.

 

Treatment if minorities in this country has been horrible for years.  I’m personally embarrassed it’s taken me so long to realize and speak up.

 

You should be embarrassed, but not for any of the reasons you stated.

[LB3]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Go have a look at his posting history

I've seen the political stuff. I didn't know he was a secret Pats fan. If so, my only response is...

[MassHog]

oh man this dude is very hurt.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, LB3 said:

I've seen the political stuff. I didn't know he was a secret Pats fan. If so, my only response is...

Almost a guarantee 

[oldmanfan]

5 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

Right, again “lived experiences”. Again, your experience is not the rule, it’s the exception. The vast majority of white people are not racist. 

I would like to think you’re right.  But I fear not.

2 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

You should be embarrassed, but not for any of the reasons you stated.

Maybe you should enumerate them for me then.

[Warcodered]

17 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

So let me guess, those instances = systemic racism, not individual situations, right? 
 

100% agree with racism needing to go away, and it needs to be called out when it happens. It’s not systemic and I’m not racist because of the color of my skin. Just because I’m born white does not mean I condone racism. They have you bending the knee to social justice ridiculousness and it needs to stop. Content of character, not the color of your skin. Quit seeing people as a monolithic group. Your “lived experience” is not the reality everywhere.

 

8 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

Right, again “lived experiences”. Again, your experience is not the rule, it’s the exception. The vast majority of white people are not racist. 

 

11 minutes ago, Bill Lewes said:

You misunderstand "systemic".   No one is calling you racist cuz you're white.  You're being reminded (taught?) that the system favors you cuz you're white.  No, maybe you don't feel like you're being treated special, but compared to people who aren't like you, the 400 year old systems in this country treat you better.

What I think a lot of people misunderstand is that systemic racism doesn't require everyone to be racist or even a majority. All it needs is a racist/discriminatory/unfair system that perpetuates itself.

Edited July 4, 2020 by Warcodered

[Rob's House]

7 minutes ago, Bill Lewes said:

You misunderstand "systemic".   No one is calling you racist cuz you're white.  You're being reminded (taught?) that the system favors you cuz you're white.  No, maybe you don't feel like you're being treated special, but compared to people who aren't like you, the 400 year old systems in this country treat you better.

 

That's funny. I only see one set of people being "systemically" cancelled, silenced, and marginalized, and they aren't the people you're talking about.

 

In fairness, every 200 year old black guy I know had it a lot harder than the new generation of oppressed minorities.

 

It's not a bad deal, all the victim status, sympathy, and special treatment without having to suffer actual oppression yourself.

[njbuff]

1 minute ago, Rob's House said:

 

That's funny. I only see one set of people being "systemically" cancelled, silenced, and marginalized, and they aren't the people you're talking about.

 

In fairness, every 200 year old black guy I know had it a lot harder than the new generation of oppressed minorities.

 

It's not a bad deal, all the victim status, sympathy, and special treatment without having to suffer actual oppression yourself.

 

Watch out. You are going to be called the "R" word. ?

[nedboy7]

So many opinions.  So little intelligence. 

[GoBills808]

Yikes

[WhoTom]

3 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

Watch out. You are going to be called the "R" word. ?

 

If the sheet fits...

 

[fansince88]

Gave you the skeptical emotion just to give you the full gamut.  Agree or not Im not sure why exit posters do a LAMP.

[Rob's House]

3 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

Watch out. You are going to be called the "R" word. ?

 

Don't I know it. Failure to validate the hallucinations of the woke is inherently racist.

[njbuff]

Just now, WhoTom said:

 

If the sheet fits...

 

 

2 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

Don't I know it. Failure to validate the hallucinations of the woke is inherently racist.

 

Any doubt this is an election year with all this crap?

[HamSandwhich]

9 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

What I think a lot of people misunderstand is that systemic racism doesn't require everyone to be racist or even a majority. All it needs is a racist/discriminatory/unfair system that perpetuates itself.

Ok so you’re saying we need to completely destroy the system and make it socialist/communist in nature. Gotcha. 

[Shaw66]

18 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said:

So let me guess, those instances = systemic racism, not individual situations, right? 
 

100% agree with racism needing to go away, and it needs to be called out when it happens. It’s not systemic and I’m not racist because of the color of my skin. Just because I’m born white does not mean I condone racism. They have you bending the knee to social justice ridiculousness and it needs to stop. Content of character, not the color of your skin. Quit seeing people as a monolithic group. Your “lived experience” is not the reality everywhere.

Ham -

 

You seem like a smart guy, and you're part of the way to seeing what you need to see.  You do not condone racism. That's a good and important first step.  That means you're a man or woman of good will, and that's half the battle. I was exactly where you are just two months ago. 

 

I'd encourage to just look and listen. I'm not blaming you, saying your guilty of anything or anything like that. I'm just saying start for something you agree with - that all people should be treated equally and have equal opportunity. That's what you almost certainly believe, and it's part of what you mean when you say you don't condone racism. 

 

Okay, if you keep that frame of mine and look at the history of black people in this country for the past 400, you can see that we never stopped treating black people using the same treatment we used when they were slaves:   Southerners beat, imprisoned, and murdered young black men to keep them subdued.  We still do that in the U.S.  Southerners kept blacks impoverished, with substandard housing, substandard food, and substandard medical care.  We still do that in the U.S.  Southerners kept blacks uneducated.  We still do that in the U.S.  Southerners made blacks live in fear.  We still do that in the U.S.  

 

The point is, it IS systemic.  You and I don't even mean to do it to black people, but our culture does. It's a bad habit that we learned over hundreds of years, and we've only barely begun to change our habits. 

 

Unless and you and I are actively working to change, you and I are part of the problem. 

 

Justice demands that we actually set these people free. 

[Augie]

20 minutes ago, LB3 said:

Patriots avatar spying with a camera.

 

OK, very fitting! 

 

But they don’t actually work for the Patriots, they are just doing a human interest story about how many times the Commish can fall for/accept the same lame excuse before people give up and stop watching football all together......and we’ve come full circle. 

[Johnnieo64]

Totally agree with your points on the NFL. Not sure how much more nonsense I can take about them supporting an organization what wants to dismantle the whole nuclear family concept. The best response I have seen is what Marcellus Wiley said on his show yesterday. Everyone should read it. Very well said and he makes a number of great points. How can anybody support an organization with those mission statement supports a non family environment. Good for you for speaking out!!!

[njbuff]

1 minute ago, Shaw66 said:

Ham -

 

You seem like a smart guy, and you're part of the way to seeing what you need to see.  You do not condone racism. That's a good and important first step.  That means you're a man or woman of good will, and that's half the battle. I was exactly where you are just two months ago. 

 

I'd encourage to just look and listen. I'm not blaming you, saying your guilty of anything or anything like that. I'm just saying start for something you agree with - that all people should be treated equally and have equal opportunity. That's what you almost certainly believe, and it's part of what you mean when you say you don't condone racism. 

 

Okay, if you keep that frame of mine and look at the history of black people in this country for the past 400, you can see that we never stopped treating black people using the same treatment we used when they were slaves:   Southerners beat, imprisoned, and murdered young black men to keep them subdued.  We still do that in the U.S.  Southerners kept blacks impoverished, with substandard housing, substandard food, and substandard medical care.  We still do that in the U.S.  Southerners kept blacks uneducated.  We still do that in the U.S.  Southerners made blacks live in fear.  We still do that in the U.S.  

 

The point is, it IS systemic.  You and I don't even mean to do it to black people, but our culture does. It's a bad habit that we learned over hundreds of years, and we've only barely begun to change our habits. 

 

Unless and you and I are actively working to change, you and I are part of the problem. 

 

Justice demands that we actually set these people free. 

 

Funny, I never kept a minority down a day in my life.

 

I always looked at a person's character. 

 

But it is another election cycle and the Demonrats LOVE to play identity politics........... and that is just a FACT.

[Billl]

16 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

That's funny. I only see one set of people being "systemically" cancelled, silenced, and marginalized, and they aren't the people you're talking about.

 

In fairness, every 200 year old black guy I know had it a lot harder than the new generation of oppressed minorities.

 

It's not a bad deal, all the victim status, sympathy, and special treatment without having to suffer actual oppression yourself.

You’re so oppressed.