Phil The Thrill Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) I listed to an interview with Joe Marino who works at the Draft Network - which is pretty small time compared to national outlets. He claimed that he’s been approached by teams/agents to report the wrong information as a smokescreen. Do you believe this is happening at the National level? Take this tweet from Ian Rapoport. I believe that either Miami is trading up to take a QB (Tua or Herbert) or they are bluffing as a smokescreen so 1 of the 2 QB’s are left by the time they pick. The majority of people who replied to the tweet do as well. Does anyone honestly believe they are trading up for a tackle? It seems unlikely and that Rapoport has been given fake news as strategy. So then why would be report this... The question is does Rapoport: a.) believe this rumor to be true b.) know this rumor is likely false but is reporting it anyway for attention/engagement c.) know the rumor is likely false but reporting fake as a favor for an agent/team d.) getting a kickback to report fake news Edited April 22, 2020 by Phil The Thrill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 No. But I believe You report false information. 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 No. And I am sick and tired of the fake news crap. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: No. And I am sick and tired of the fake news crap. So you think there is truth to this rumour? Miami is trading up for a tackle? Not a QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DFT Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Reporting from most sources this time of year is a septic tank. Whatever gets flushed, finds its way there. Except for qtips. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) Yes they do. They don’t get a kickback per se but they do it as a favor and then the team will then give them info to report first down the line. Rap sheet has Beane in his pocket btw. You can tell from the Melvin Gordon stuff. He also has the Chargers. Edited April 22, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Reporters may not be aware they're spreading false news, so the answer is a tough one to give a definitive yes or no answer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: So you think there is truth to this rumour? Miami is trading up for a tackle? Not a QB? I would assume teams explore all options and scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: So you think there is truth to this rumour? Miami is trading up for a tackle? Not a QB? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Phil The Thrill said: So you think there is truth to this rumour? Miami is trading up for a tackle? Not a QB? The Dolphins with multiple picks might in the 1st just be waiting to see which QB falls to them with a later pick especially since picks after the top 10 get a lesser contract in their 5th year option it might be a wiser cap move taking a QB later than sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: No. But I believe You report false information. That turned a LAMP on for me. Thank you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 This is such a bad smokescreen by Miami that if I’m Detroit I smell the desperation and I’m asking for more trade comp. Now Washington wants in on the shakedown. Problem with Miami is they have so much draft capital and the Herbert stuff is nonsense. It’s like walking into a Used Car dealership with hundred dollar bills falling out of your pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: So you think there is truth to this rumour? Miami is trading up for a tackle? Not a QB? I think there is no truth to reporters getting paid or whatever to set up smokescreens for certain teams. And I am sick and tired of people using the”fake news” nonsense. Just because a reporter writes something you don’t like doesn’t make it fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 It’s laughable reading reports from “insiders” right now. Teams aren’t telling these guys the truth. People act like teams are calling these guys saying hey we are picking this player so get the word out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I think there is no truth to reporters getting paid or whatever to set up smokescreens for certain teams. And I am sick and tired of people using the”fake news” nonsense. Just because a reporter writes something you don’t like doesn’t make it fake. Well you better get used to being sick and tired because that “report” from Rapoport is totally crap and everybody knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Probably fake rumors but I threw $25 each on OT Andrew Thomas and Jedrick Willis going 3rd at 60-1 on Draft Kings. Trying to come out ahead by putting money on Okudah going #3 to the Lions so hopefully no one trades up for a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: Well you better get used to being sick and tired because that “report” from Rapoport is totally crap and everybody knows it. Rapaport is just throwing out guesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I just heard the Bills are offering all their picks to the Jags for a DE and a RB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Rapaport is just throwing out guesses. Someone told him to report it. Just like someone told him to report Joe Judge was face timing with Justin Herbert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 So basically the same as every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Rapaport is just throwing out guesses. No he’s not. He literally wrote “sources:” Edited April 22, 2020 by FireChans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IgotBILLStopay Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 38 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes they do. They don’t get a kickback per se but they do it as a favor and then the team will then give them info to report first down the line. Rap sheet has Beane in his pocket btw. You can tell from the Melvin Gordon stuff. He also has the Chargers. didn’t Beane call out Rapaport for bad reporting during the AB drama? subsequently Rap was proved correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 41 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: So you think there is truth to this rumour? Miami is trading up for a tackle? Not a QB? So Miami is going to trade up to 3 to take a tackle when only one other team in front of them is tackle needy? 100% bs garbage. A. They dont need to move up to take a tackle B. If they take a tackle before they take a QB, they werent sold enough on the QB to be taking him in the 1st round anyways. Best advice. Dont believe a thing until after the draft is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 44 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes they do. They don’t get a kickback per se but they do it as a favor and then the team will then give them info to report first down the line. Rap sheet has Beane in his pocket btw. You can tell from the Melvin Gordon stuff. He also has the Chargers. So you are saying he floated the rumour Bills were in in Gordon when they weren’t? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Not a lot of it, but some of it’s true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Why would teams approach Joe Small Time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Phil The Thrill said: So you are saying he floated the rumour Bills were in in Gordon when they weren’t? No, he said they didn’t make him an offer - actually it was Schefter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 No, seriously. It’s legit! Phil saw it! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) Any and all statements emanating from all thirty two franchises during the pre draft period are suspect as to their veracity, or in other words, all the teams are lying their azsez off. The reporters report knowing full well a lot of it is purposeful misinformation, Just sayin... Edited April 22, 2020 by Don Otreply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 23 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: didn’t Beane call out Rapaport for bad reporting during the AB drama? subsequently Rap was proved correct. It was Schefter with the Gordon stuff - I get them mixed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: No, seriously. It’s legit! Phil saw it! Ghost pirate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I've been told -- from arguably the most well known reporter in sports, personally -- that this happens all the time. 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: So Miami is going to trade up to 3 to take a tackle when only one other team in front of them is tackle needy? 100% bs garbage. A. They dont need to move up to take a tackle B. If they take a tackle before they take a QB, they werent sold enough on the QB to be taking him in the 1st round anyways. Best advice. Dont believe a thing until after the draft is over. Exactly. As fans we can see this. But a journalist like Rapoport who is “connected” reports this as legit news. WTF? 17 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: No, seriously. It’s legit! Phil saw it! I don’t get your humor, but I assume that this is an insult? 2 minutes ago, glazeduck said: I've been told -- from arguably the most well known reporter in sports, personally -- that this happens all the time. 100%. So are they reporting it as a favor? Or because they are given a kickback? Or both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: So are they reporting it as a favor? Or because they are given a kickback? Or both? Don't know about kickback, that seems like it's skirting the edges of ethics probably a little too much. But certainly favors, yes, absolutely. Especially with our current social media attention span, nobody will remember the 20 times they got something "wrong" if they're the first to get something major right. EDIT: I'll also add that this is something that EVERY franchise knows, participates in, and anticipates. Just the nature of the beast. I haven't read the thread but trust me when I say that no team is taking everything being reported -- either publicly or privately -- as gospel truth, and, other than in extremely unlikely circumstances, ever holds any grudges or beefs with this sort of thing. It's just become how the industry works. Edited April 22, 2020 by glazeduck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Don't know about kickback, that seems like it's skirting the edges of ethics probably a little too much. But certainly favors, yes, absolutely. Especially with our current social media attention span, nobody will remember the 20 times they got something "wrong" if they're the first to get something major right. EDIT: I'll also add that this is something that EVERY franchise knows, participates in, and anticipates. Just the nature of the beast. I haven't read the thread but trust me when I say that no team is taking everything being reported -- either publicly or privately -- as gospel truth, and, other than in extremely unlikely circumstances, ever holds any grudges or beefs with this sort of thing. It's just become how the industry works. When you think of the rumors from last year about the Bills trading up to draft Quinnen Williams, it makes you wonder whether those came from Buffalo to scare NYJ away from taking Ed Oliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Phil The Thrill said: When you think of the rumors from last year about the Bills trading up to draft Quinnen Williams, it makes you wonder whether those came from Buffalo to scare NYJ away from taking Ed Oliver. Considering the fact that the rumors were that we were talking WITH the Jets, I'm not sure that logic flies, but weird stuff happens around now. I think the truth is much closer to us genuinely checking in on what it would cost to make that move, but then I also think Williams is the vastly superior prospect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: When you think of the rumors from last year about the Bills trading up to draft Quinnen Williams, it makes you wonder whether those came from Buffalo to scare NYJ away from taking Ed Oliver. Close. It was more the Bills not wanting to be jumped by a team who loved Ed. It’s what the Dolphins want too. They don’t want competition for the trade up for a QB, so they say they are taking a tackle. Edited April 22, 2020 by FireChans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 23 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Ghost pirate? What is this supposed to mean? 2 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Considering the fact that the rumors were that we were talking WITH the Jets, I'm not sure that logic flies, but weird stuff happens around now. I think the truth is much closer to us genuinely checking in on what it would cost to make that move, but then I also think Williams is the vastly superior prospect... Oddly enough, it didn’t look like Williams was superior on the field. But maybe that was the injury he suffered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 To be fair, Joe mentioned agents not teams. Reminiscent of the music industry payola of the 1950s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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