Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) Edited April 20, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 and Marquise... could be a good spell break for John Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmsmystic Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 I Don't want anything to with that contract PLUS having to trade a premium pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 https://arrowheadaddict.com/2020/04/20/dee-ford-trade-rumors-chiefs-49ers-brett-veach-was-right/ San Francisco took a big risk in signing Ford, who had proven to be an effective pass rusher when available, but who was unable to stay healthy for long periods of time. The only seasons the defensive end was able to play in all 16 games came in 2015 and 2018. He missed 10 games in 2017 with nagging and recurring back injuries, and in his lone year with the 49ers, Ford was again hampered by injury. He played in only 11 regular season games while nursing a hamstring injury most of the year. He has been largely ineffective as a pass rusher in the playoffs throughout his career, too, logging only 2.5 sacks in eight career playoff games, including one in the 2019 playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 Dee Ford's cap hits are pretty high but it's really just a 1 year deal as he can be cut after the year. I'de prefer Ford over Murphy if we're trying to make a Super Bowl run in 2020. 2 minutes ago, hmsmystic said: I Don't want anything to with that contract PLUS having to trade a premium pick Ford wouldn't be a premium pick. SF wants the cap space. 6th or 7th round pick gets it done. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 I’d give them a 5th 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Dee Ford's cap hits are pretty high but it's really just a 1 year deal as he can be cut after the year. I'de prefer Ford over Murphy if we're trying to make a Super Bowl run in 2020. Ford wouldn't be a premium pick. SF wants the cap space. 6th or 7th round pick gets it done. I doubt it. The Niners have 0 picks in the 2-4 rounds, and probably want at least a pick or 2 in there. They need a new starting guard, a decent receiver, and an impact DL. They need another early pick for that. I suspect they want to move down from 31 to aquire some, should they not aquire them through player trades. They have trouble selling 31, though. I suspect they take a WR or possibly one of the OT at 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 I’d take Kwon Alexander off their hands in a heartbeat to play WILL. It would mean the end of Milano. But Kwon is awesome and has a nice connection with Leslie Frazier. And FYI, Kwon is a month younger than Matt Milano. I’d rather take Kwon’s contract than pay Matt 13 million per. No thanks on Dee Ford. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I’d take Kwon Alexander off their hands in a heartbeat to play WILL. It would mean the end of Milano. But Kwon is awesome and has a nice connection with Leslie Frazier. And FYI, Kwon is a month younger than Matt Milano. I’d rather take Kwon’s contract than pay Matt 13 million per. No thanks on Dee Ford. My feelings exactly. I'm far more interested in Kwon Alexander than Dee Ford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Watkins101 said: I doubt it. The Niners have 0 picks in the 2-4 rounds, and probably want at least a pick or 2 in there. They need a new starting guard, a decent receiver, and an impact DL. They need another early pick for that. I suspect they want to move down from 31 to aquire some, should they not aquire them through player trades. They have trouble selling 31, though. I suspect they take a WR or possibly one of the OT at 13. They aren't getting anything premium for Ford. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Watkins101 said: I doubt it. The Niners have 0 picks in the 2-4 rounds, and probably want at least a pick or 2 in there. They need a new starting guard, a decent receiver, and an impact DL. They need another early pick for that. I suspect they want to move down from 31 to aquire some, should they not aquire them through player trades. They have trouble selling 31, though. I suspect they take a WR or possibly one of the OT at 13. One of my favorite sayings of all-time: wish in one hand, ? in the other, see which one fills up first. Given his injury history and contract, he's not going to fetch a high pick, regardless of how badly they "want" one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 That's one hell of a cap hit for a LB.... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/kwon-alexander-16850/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I’d take Kwon Alexander off their hands in a heartbeat to play WILL. It would mean the end of Milano. But Kwon is awesome and has a nice connection with Leslie Frazier. And FYI, Kwon is a month younger than Matt Milano. I’d rather take Kwon’s contract than pay Matt 13 million per. No thanks on Dee Ford. could we keep Kwon and Milano. Have LB group of Edmonds, Kwon and Milano?? 4 minutes ago, glazeduck said: One of my favorite sayings of all-time: wish in one hand, ? in the other, see which one fills up first. Given his injury history and contract, he's not going to fetch a high pick, regardless of how badly they "want" one... that is the oddest saying I've ever heard! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lurker said: That's one hell of a cap hit for a LB.... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/kwon-alexander-16850/ Which is why he and Ford are up for a trade. The 49'ers have a lot of money invested in their defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: My feelings exactly. I'm far more interested in Kwon Alexander than Dee Ford. Looks like he's missed quite a few games the past two years, KA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: that is the oddest saying I've ever heard! It's a classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 42 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Dee Ford's cap hits are pretty high but it's really just a 1 year deal as he can be cut after the year. I'de prefer Ford over Murphy if we're trying to make a Super Bowl run in 2020. Ford wouldn't be a premium pick. SF wants the cap space. 6th or 7th round pick gets it done. What is Ford's cap hit? Thx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Which is why he and Ford are up for a trade. The 49'ers have a lot of money invested in their defense. IMO, only 2-3 LBs in the league are worth $16 million-plus cap hits. He's not one of them... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, hjnick said: What is Ford's cap hit? Thx. Very high. $15.9 this year. But next year you can release him and save almost $13 million. So it's basically a 1 year prove it deal. Save $7.5 releasing Murphy. I guess the question is Murphy at half the price a better asset to the Bills? It's possible the answer is yes. Murphy is a role player that does his job. Not much of pass rusher though. Edited April 20, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 If Kwon Alexander were to replace Lorenzo Alexander, would his nickname be Kwax? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, hjnick said: What is Ford's cap hit? Thx. Cover your eyes... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/dee-ford-14432/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 20 minutes ago, Lurker said: That's one hell of a cap hit for a LB.... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/kwon-alexander-16850/ Spotrac has Matt Milano's at 13 million per. I'm taking Kwon. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/matt-milano-21905/market-value/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) I'd be happy to take on Ford's contract if the 49ers give us #31 (620 JJ chart) and # 176 (21 JJ Chart) in exchange for #54 and #86 (520 JJ chart). Then 49ers will have picks in the top 3 rounds which is what they want. Edited April 20, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 minute ago, IgotBILLStopay said: I'd be happy to take on Ford's contract if the 49ers give us #30 (620 JJ chart) and # 176 (21 JJ Chart) in exchange for #54 and #86 (520 JJ chart). Then 49ers will have picks in the top 3 rounds which is what they want. 49'ers have pick # 31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Very high. $15.9 this year. But next year you can release him and save almost $13 million. So it's basically a 1 year prove it deal. Save $7.5 releasing Murphy. I guess the question is Murphy at half the price a better asset to the Bills? It's possible the answer is yes. Murphy is a role player that does his job. Not much of pass rusher though. 4 minutes ago, Lurker said: Cover your eyes... https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/dee-ford-14432/ Yikes! Why help SanFran out for signing a terrible contract... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Spotrac has Matt Milano's at 13 million per. I'm taking Kwon. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/matt-milano-21905/market-value/ Why? Now we'll compare our variables and Milano statistically over the two seasons prior to their signing. In this case we're analyzing: Games Played %, Tackles, Sacks, Stops, Coverage Catch %, Hurries, Rating PLAYER GP% TKL/GM SACKS/GM STOPS COV CATCH% HURRIES RATING MEDIAN PRIME % CHANGE 2.45% AVERAGE PRIME % CHANGE -1.18% Jaylon Smith2017-2018, DAL 100 4.13 0.16 2.19 77.8 0.34 75.85 Anthony Barr2017-2018, MIN 90.63 3.14 0.14 2 78.2 0.9 71.45 Shaq Thompson2017-2018, CAR 87.5 3.25 0.2 1.89 82.9 0.57 66.25 Kwon Alexander 2017-2018, SF 56.3 5.78 0.06 3.67 90.9 0.78 62.3 AVERAGE 83.60 4.08 0.14 2.44 82.45 0.65 68.96 Matt Milano 2018-2019 87.5 4.18 0.09 2.79 69.4 0.57 70.65 % CHANGE 4.67% 2.45% -35.71% 14.34% 15.83% -12.31% 2.45% Edited April 20, 2020 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: 49'ers have pick # 31 Sry. My bad. Thanks for spotting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Just now, IgotBILLStopay said: Sry. My bad. Thanks for spotting it. No problem, and I must say that your trade proposal is intriguing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Lurker said: Why? Now we'll compare our variables and Milano statistically over the two seasons prior to their signing. In this case we're analyzing: Games Played %, Tackles, Sacks, Stops, Coverage Catch %, Hurries, Rating PLAYER GP% TKL/GM SACKS/GM STOPS COV CATCH% HURRIES RATING MEDIAN PRIME % CHANGE 2.45% AVERAGE PRIME % CHANGE -1.18% Jaylon Smith2017-2018, DAL 100 4.13 0.16 2.19 77.8 0.34 75.85 Anthony Barr2017-2018, MIN 90.63 3.14 0.14 2 78.2 0.9 71.45 Shaq Thompson2017-2018, CAR 87.5 3.25 0.2 1.89 82.9 0.57 66.25 Kwon Alexander 2017-2018, SF 56.3 5.78 0.06 3.67 90.9 0.78 62.3 AVERAGE 83.60 4.08 0.14 2.44 82.45 0.65 68.96 Matt Milano 2018-2019 87.5 4.18 0.09 2.79 69.4 0.57 70.65 % CHANGE 4.67% 2.45% -35.71% 14.34% 15.83% -12.31% 2.45% I'm not sure what those numbers mean, but I do know Kwon has been injured the last couple of years and it seems to skew that score. All I can say is he's just better than Matt, and he is the best linebacker on this list, though it is close with Jaylon Smith. And I love Matt Milano, but Kwon is better. So if we are talking similar salaries, I'd rather pay Kwon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I'm not sure what those numbers mean, but I do know Kwon has been injured the last couple of years and it seems to skew that score. All I can say is he's just better than Matt, and he is the best linebacker on this list, though it is close with Jaylon Smith. And I love Matt Milano, but Kwon is better. So if we are talking similar salaries, I'd rather pay Kwon. As many people say, the greatest ability is availability. Alexander 56.3% game played percentage has to be balanced against Milano's 87.5% availability... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Lurker said: As many people say, the greatest ability is availability. Alexander 56.3% game played percentage has to be balanced against Milano's 87.5% availability... That is definitely true, but I would still take Kwon if the contracts are equal. If Milano comes in closer to 8-9 million, then I'd take him. Both great players, but if SF wants chump change for a guy like Alexander, I am good with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 hours ago, WorstTEever81 said: and Marquise... could be a good spell break for John Brown We have seen his act...brittle and can't be on the field enoough.....no return for M Goodwin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: I'm not sure what those numbers mean, but I do know Kwon has been injured the last couple of years and it seems to skew that score. All I can say is he's just better than Matt, and he is the best linebacker on this list, though it is close with Jaylon Smith. And I love Matt Milano, but Kwon is better. So if we are talking similar salaries, I'd rather pay Kwon. You’d rather pay the guy that never plays. Makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: Spotrac has Matt Milano's at 13 million per. I'm taking Kwon. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/matt-milano-21905/market-value/ I like the fire that Milano plays with, but if he won't settle for $6.5M he can go play for the Dolphins. 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: You’d rather pay the guy that never plays. Makes sense By never plays meaning he tore an ACL 6 games into the season and then a pectoral the next. It's not like Will Fuller's perpetually pulled hamstring or Percy Harvin's migraines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Penalty: lined up in the neutral zone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said: I'm not sure what those numbers mean, but I do know Kwon has been injured the last couple of years and it seems to skew that score. All I can say is he's just better than Matt, and he is the best linebacker on this list, though it is close with Jaylon Smith. And I love Matt Milano, but Kwon is better. So if we are talking similar salaries, I'd rather pay Kwon. Things arent equal though as you wont have to give up a draft pick for Milano .... also suspect Milano signs a cheaper deal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Let them drown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Things arent equal though as you wont have to give up a draft pick for Milano .... also suspect Milano signs a cheaper deal... I hope he does as well. I like the idea of keeping homegrown guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 24 minutes ago, NewEra said: You’d rather pay the guy that never plays. Makes sense I’ll say this, if he was playing, and as you noted, that’s a big if, he’s totally takling Deshaun Watson at the end of that playoff game. He’s just better. But he has been hurt. I’d rather have a somewhat risky, but elite player in Kwon, who I have to give up a pick for at 13 million than pay Milano 13 million. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Hard no on cap clutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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