If the NFL started from scratch today...

[mathja]

If every team’s roster had zero players and a draft was held, with all current players as well as incoming draft eligible players, what would the first round look like? 

 

(Age is a factor. It’s not a 1 year redraft like a fantasy league). 
 

Would Josh Allen go in the first round? I think he would.

[FireChans]

22 minutes ago, mathja said:

If every team’s roster had zero players and a draft was held, with all current players as well as incoming draft eligible players, what would the first round look like? 

 

(Age is a factor. It’s not a 1 year redraft like a fantasy league). 
 

Would Josh Allen go in the first round? I think he would.

Yes. So would Murray, Darnold, Baker, Wilson, Watson, Mahomes etc.

 

Every young QB that’s shown promise would be one of the first 32 picks taken.

[JerseyBills]

Oh yeah. Top  5-8 QB taken, imo.

He has the leadership, swagger , heart , all the mental intangibles to be a true franchise QB . All the things you can't coach!

There'd be some offensive minded HCs drooling to get Allen . 

He was so Raw coming out , his ceiling is ridiculously high

Edited April 13, 2020 by JerseyBills

[Logic]

We should do this!

[FireChans]

14 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Oh yeah. Top  5-8 QB taken, imo.

He has the leadership, swagger , heart , all the mental intangibles to be a true franchise QB . All the things you can't coach!

There'd be some offensive minded HCs drooling to get Allen . 

He was so Raw coming out , his ceiling is ridiculously high

I mean, top 8 isn’t really all that impressive when you consider there are only a handful of good youngish QB’s out there. Guys like Brady, Rodgers, Stafford, Brees, Ryan, Rivers, are all in their career twilights. 

 

Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Lamar, Dak, Wentz, Allen, Murray, Darnold, Mayfield, Minshew would likely be the order, IMO. That just leaves the old dudes above and guys like Ryan Tannehill and Jared Goff.

[mathja]

Minshew. Uggh. I’d freak if my team had the 11th pick and took Minshew. Burrow and Tua would be in the mix and then some left tackles and defensive ends. 
Corner is a premium position too. Maybe Tre white goes before pick 32.

[FireChans]

13 minutes ago, mathja said:

Minshew. Uggh. I’d freak if my team had the 11th pick and took Minshew. Burrow and Tua would be in the mix and then some left tackles and defensive ends. 
Corner is a premium position too. Maybe Tre white goes before pick 32.

Oh that was just the order of QB’s taken, not players. I think there would be a lot of players in between them.

[buffalobillswin]

Well it would be a QB heavy first round and I'd bet guys like Joe Burrow and Tua would go in the first round and over Josh.

[The Fiend]

47 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I mean, top 8 isn’t really all that impressive when you consider there are only a handful of good youngish QB’s out there. Guys like Brady, Rodgers, Stafford, Brees, Ryan, Rivers, are all in their career twilights. 

 

Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Lamar, Dak, Wentz, Allen, Murray, Darnold, Mayfield, Minshew would likely be the order, IMO. That just leaves the old dudes above and guys like Ryan Tannehill and Jared Goff.

 

You really think Allen, Murray, Darnold, Mayfield, and Minshew would all be taken before Goff?

 

BTW, SI recently ranked Minshew dead last:

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/04/10/ranking-ever-team-quarterback-situation

Edited April 13, 2020 by The Fiend

[whatdrought]

I think Allen would go top 10. It’s an interesting thought exercise... 

 

A spin off question... who would be the first non-QB taken?

[Logic]

18 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I think Allen would go top 10. It’s an interesting thought exercise... 

 

A spin off question... who would be the first non-QB taken?

 

Hmmm...

 

I’d guess it would be someone who affects the quarterback. Myles Garrett or Nick Bosa or Aaron Donald.

 

I kind of want to do this hypothetical exercise now. Not sure if we’d get enough people to make it happen, though.

[Bookie Man]

Doubtful Allen would go in the 1st round. I can name off about 20 players under the age of 25 that would probably go before him. That's not including guys in the trenches that I'm not that familiar with, nor guys in this years draft. And that's also not including guys like Russel Wilson and JJ Watt.  I would think more of like a late 2nd round to 4th, which is still pretty high considering there'd be at least 24 rounds (if you'd want to draft for all positions and kickers (not including other ST positions)). 

Edited April 13, 2020 by Raleigh • √eff

[Billl]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

I mean, top 8 isn’t really all that impressive when you consider there are only a handful of good youngish QB’s out there. Guys like Brady, Rodgers, Stafford, Brees, Ryan, Rivers, are all in their career twilights. 

 

Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Lamar, Dak, Wentz, Allen, Murray, Darnold, Mayfield, Minshew would likely be the order, IMO. That just leaves the old dudes above and guys like Ryan Tannehill and Jared Goff.

There is ZERO chance Allen would go ahead of Murray.

40 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I think Allen would go top 10. It’s an interesting thought exercise... 

 

A spin off question... who would be the first non-QB taken?

Donald then Bosa

[Bangarang]

40 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I think Allen would go top 10. It’s an interesting thought exercise... 

 

A spin off question... who would be the first non-QB taken?

I doubt Allen goes in the top 10

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, The Fiend said:

 

You really think Allen, Murray, Darnold, Mayfield, and Minshew would all be taken before Goff?

 

BTW, SI recently ranked Minshew dead last:

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/04/10/ranking-ever-team-quarterback-situation

 

@Bray Wyatt

[Logic]

My mock top 10 picks if the NFL started from scratch tomorrow (I took age into account, because these teams are starting from scratch, so old dudes seem like bad picks):

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Deshaun Watson
3. Russell Wilson (a bit old at 31, but figure we can get a good decade out of him)
4. Lamar Jackson
5. Carson Wentz
6. Kyler Murray
7. Aaron Donald
8. Myles Garrett

9. Nick Bosa
10. Christian McCaffrey

Note: This is clearly just for fun because I'm bored out of my mind in quarantine. Would be interesting to see how many players got picked before the first non-QB came off the board. For what it's worth, I do not believe Josh Allen would be among the first 32 picks.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, The Fiend said:

 

You really think Allen, Murray, Darnold, Mayfield, and Minshew would all be taken before Goff?

 

BTW, SI recently ranked Minshew dead last:

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/04/10/ranking-ever-team-quarterback-situation

 

I don't. I think Goff goes right around where Wentz goes. And I'd take Dak before either of them. 

Edited April 13, 2020 by GunnerBill

[BillsShredder83]

5 hours ago, Logic said:

We should do this!

Sign me up for this kinda draft on here please!!!! Sounds fun

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

My mock top 10 picks if the NFL started from scratch tomorrow (I took age into account, because these teams are starting from scratch, so old dudes seem like bad picks):

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Deshaun Watson
3. Russell Wilson (a bit old at 31, but figure we can get a good decade out of him)
4. Lamar Jackson
5. Carson Wentz
6. Kyler Murray
7. Aaron Donald
8. Myles Garrett

9. Nick Bosa
10. Christian McCaffrey

Note: This is clearly just for fun because I'm bored out of my mind in quarantine. Would be interesting to see how many players got picked before the first non-QB came off the board. For what it's worth, I do not believe Josh Allen would be among the first 32 picks.

Fun list I can't see CMC or any back or WR going anytime until late 1st rd though. My position rankings FOR MY 1ST PICK ONLY (Priority would change after my 1st pick):

Qb

Edge

Lt

Cb

OL/DT

WR

RB

[BarleyNY]

Doing a draft from zero really wouldn’t tell you much about the QBs except who is proven and who is going with upside.  The better question is: What kind of contract would you give each player, particularly Allen?

 

That is a particularly good question since it’s one that’ll need answered in the real world soon.  

[BarleyNY]

8 hours ago, The Fiend said:

 

You really think Allen, Murray, Darnold, Mayfield, and Minshew would all be taken before Goff?

 

BTW, SI recently ranked Minshew dead last:

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/04/10/ranking-ever-team-quarterback-situation

Wow, that was a poorly done article.  There seemed to be no methodology to it at all.  It’s supposed to be about the overarching QB situation - QB, contract, backups, coaches and supporting players - but the writer sporadically used and ignored those criteria to create his rankings.  FWIW Minshew only came in last because of his supporting cast.

[Sherlock Holmes]

10 hours ago, Logic said:

We should do this!

@Virgil The people have spoken!!!!

 

How do we determine draft order? I say years in the league so oldest teams get 1st dibs.

Sign me up for Browns or Raiders!

4 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Fun list I can't see CMC or any back or WR going anytime until late 1st rd though. My position rankings FOR MY 1ST PICK ONLY (Priority would change after my 1st pick):

Qb

Edge

Lt

Cb

OL/DT

WR

RB

How much do you want to bet???

[Virgil]

11 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

@Virgil The people have spoken!!!!

 

This sounds like a great idea!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For someone else to run.....

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

41 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

@Virgil The people have spoken!!!!

 

How do we determine draft order?

In light of their stellar achievements and creative interpretation of rules and equipment requirements over the past few years, picks 1 - 25 have been allocated to the New England Patriots.

*

[hjnick]

You would have to do at least 2 rounds because this should be a snake draft  1-32, 32-1...  That would be the only way to do it fairly.

[Sherlock Holmes]

3 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

In light of their stellar achievements and creative interpretation of rules and equipment requirements over the past few years, picks 1 - 25 have been allocated to the New England Patriots.

*

We all should have known better!!!

[Billl]

Pick #1 is pretty obvious.  The second pick would be interesting.  I could see it being Wilson, Jackson, Watson, or Murray.

[mathja]

I think Watson would go #2.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

12 hours ago, Logic said:

My mock top 10 picks if the NFL started from scratch tomorrow (I took age into account, because these teams are starting from scratch, so old dudes seem like bad picks):

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Deshaun Watson
3. Russell Wilson (a bit old at 31, but figure we can get a good decade out of him)
4. Lamar Jackson
5. Carson Wentz
6. Kyler Murray
7. Aaron Donald
8. Myles Garrett

9. Nick Bosa
10. Christian McCaffrey

Note: This is clearly just for fun because I'm bored out of my mind in quarantine. Would be interesting to see how many players got picked before the first non-QB came off the board. For what it's worth, I do not believe Josh Allen would be among the first 32 picks.

 

2 pass rushers before a corner or WR... its sort of similar to how the NFL draft prioritizes.  I feel like all-pro Offensive linemen will be underrated in this type of exercise vs. a mock draft.  Obviously QBs go early on in this - which creates a need to overdraft mediocre ones or old ones.  But you might just be better off building a beast oline and WRs and then just throw Foles or something out there.

 

I've done these in madden though, they really only work for 1 season since by rule they always shut the salary cap off.

 

[Motorin']

Not saying I have this kind of time on my hands, but you could do a fantasy redraft of players currently in the league, and then do a full on Madden simulation and see who's team wins... The draft would literally need to be 54 rounds though. 

Edited April 13, 2020 by Motorin'

[Nester]

Doing this on Madden for the Bills is more fun the actually playing Madden. Josh falls to the 2nd round.

[Billl]

2 minutes ago, Nester said:

Doing this on Madden for the Bills is more fun the actually playing Madden. Josh falls to the 2nd round.

How do the first two rounds shake out?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

18 minutes ago, mathja said:

I think Watson would go #2.

 

I might still take Wilson.  Won a super bowl.  And honestly seems to be getting better with like less talent around him, kinda Aaron Rodgers like.  Also never missed a game, and only missed the playoffs once in 2017 with a very injured team.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Jamesis.  Biggest entertainment 'bang' for your buck.  Thrill to the picks!  Enjoy the spirited pep talks!  300 yard games aren't everything, you know!  ?

[GunnerBill]

44 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

I might still take Wilson.  Won a super bowl.  And honestly seems to be getting better with like less talent around him, kinda Aaron Rodgers like.  Also never missed a game, and only missed the playoffs once in 2017 with a very injured team.  

 

I'd go Russ too. I would go Watson #3 though. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

3 hours ago, Billl said:

Pick #1 is pretty obvious.  The second pick would be interesting.  I could see it being Wilson, Jackson, Watson, or Murray.

Yes, yes it is... I'm not letting you in on it

[Alphadawg7]

13 hours ago, Logic said:

My mock top 10 picks if the NFL started from scratch tomorrow (I took age into account, because these teams are starting from scratch, so old dudes seem like bad picks):

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Deshaun Watson
3. Russell Wilson (a bit old at 31, but figure we can get a good decade out of him)
4. Lamar Jackson
5. Carson Wentz
6. Kyler Murray
7. Aaron Donald
8. Myles Garrett

9. Nick Bosa
10. Christian McCaffrey

Note: This is clearly just for fun because I'm bored out of my mind in quarantine. Would be interesting to see how many players got picked before the first non-QB came off the board. For what it's worth, I do not believe Josh Allen would be among the first 32 picks.

 

I can not see any scenario where a RB would go top 10, especially since top end RBs will easily be there in rounds 2 through 5 without question as teams focus on QB and the trenches first.  

 

'I have Josh Allen going top 10 without question IMO.  Not every GM needs to believe in him, just one on the board in the top 10 does and right now I would bet good money that the majority of the league sees Allen as a rising star who is a fiery and competitive leader, more than say a limited QB who is a passing liability.  

 

My top 10 predictions would be:

1. Patrick Mahomes - Duh
2. Russell Wilson - I think he edges out Watson given he likely still has 5 to 7 top end years left and he is the better player right now
3. Deshaun Watson - I think he edges Lamar out given he's more of a QB and more coaches know how to build an offense for him rather than Lamar
4. Lamar Jackson - He may not go this high, would depend on the team picking given he needs an offense specifically built for him, but given his MVP season I am still putting him here
5. Nick Bosa - Best young defensive player in the NFL.  He goes before Donald IMO as I think Bosa makes a bigger impact on win total than Donald does.  A total mistake IMO to not take a QB, but some GM is going to be enamored with Bosa and the impact he made as a rookie and take a guy on his way to being a top 5 overall player in the NFL.  
6. Josh Allen - Has one of the highest and brightest ceilings, if not the top ceiling, of just about any young QB not named Mahomes.  Youth and his significant improvements over his first 2 seasons and still being a dual threat makes him go early.
7. Kyler Murray - Lived up to the hype and has a lot of upside, I think GM's here go for the upside over a more proven veteran.  
8. Dak Prescott - I am not the biggest Dak guy, but I think looking at whats on the boards and his personal stats, GM's will look his way over other veterans as he is younger than most of them.
9. Carson Wentz - Not a big believer in him due to health issues, but teams are going to look for a QB early early early with all the runs on them and he has the talent, even though the body is not to be trusted.  A team rolls the dice here that they can keep him healthier and this team I would look to invest early and heavy on OL after drafting Wentz.
10. Aaron Donald - Best DT in the NFL goes with less appealing QB options still on the board.  IMO anyone not taking a QB in the top 10 is headed in a bad direction as the pickings by round 2 are going to be very slim, especially if this is a snake draft.  But some GM is going to want the elite player in Donald rather than say someone from the Tier 2 pool (or even what some wold rank as tier 3) of QB's.  

NOTE:  I did the list above based on how I think a top 10 would go with 10 GM's drafting.  

 

If I was going to do this draft personally, I would draft Josh Allen at #4, and if not there certainly at #5.  I am sure I will get a lot of "homer biased" comments for that, but I truly believe Josh Allen has a brighter career future than Lamar.  I really like Lamar, but honestly, I have seen gimmick systems like Baltimore ran last year work very well early but lack sustainability once the rest of the league catches on with defending it.  And I truly believe the combo of the Niners and Bills games last year in back to back weeks gave the NFL the blueprint to slow down that offense.  And I am not sold that Lamar can be consistent enough in the pocket once teams neutralize the run all the time offense.  

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I can not see any scenario where a RB would go top 10, especially since top end RBs will easily be there in rounds 2 through 5 without question as teams focus on QB and the trenches first.  

 

'I have Josh Allen going top 10 without question IMO.  Not every GM needs to believe in him, just one on the board in the top 10 does and right now I would bet good money that the majority of the league sees Allen as a rising star who is a fiery and competitive leader, more than say a limited QB who is a passing liability.  

 

My top 10 predictions would be:

1. Patrick Mahomes - Duh
2. Russell Wilson - I think he edges out Watson given he likely still has 5 to 7 top end years left and he is the better player right now
3. Deshaun Watson - I think he edges Lamar out given he's more of a QB and more coaches know how to build an offense for him rather than Lamar
4. Lamar Jackson - He may not go this high, would depend on the team picking given he needs an offense specifically built for him, but given his MVP season I am still putting him here
5. Nick Bosa - Best young defensive player in the NFL.  He goes before Donald IMO as I think Bosa makes a bigger impact on win total than Donald does.  A total mistake IMO to not take a QB, but some GM is going to be enamored with Bosa and the impact he made as a rookie and take a guy on his way to being a top 5 overall player in the NFL.  
6. Josh Allen - Has one of the highest and brightest ceilings, if not the top ceiling, of just about any young QB not named Mahomes.  Youth and his significant improvements over his first 2 seasons and still being a dual threat makes him go early.
7. Kyler Murray - Lived up to the hype and has a lot of upside, I think GM's here go for the upside over a more proven veteran.  
8. Dak Prescott - I am not the biggest Dak guy, but I think looking at whats on the boards and his personal stats, GM's will look his way over other veterans as he is younger than most of them.
9. Carson Wentz - Not a big believer in him due to health issues, but teams are going to look for a QB early early early with all the runs on them and he has the talent, even though the body is not to be trusted.  A team rolls the dice here that they can keep him healthier and this team I would look to invest early and heavy on OL after drafting Wentz.
10. Aaron Donald - Best DT in the NFL goes with less appealing QB options still on the board.  IMO anyone not taking a QB in the top 10 is headed in a bad direction as the pickings by round 2 are going to be very slim, especially if this is a snake draft.  But some GM is going to want the elite player in Donald rather than say someone from the Tier 2 pool (or even what some wold rank as tier 3) of QB's.  

NOTE:  I did the list above based on how I think a top 10 would go with 10 GM's drafting.  

 

If I was going to do this draft personally, I would draft Josh Allen at #4, and if not there certainly at #5.  I am sure I will get a lot of "homer biased" comments for that, but I truly believe Josh Allen has a brighter career future than Lamar.  I really like Lamar, but honestly, I have seen gimmick systems like Baltimore ran last year work very well early but lack sustainability once the rest of the league catches on with defending it.  And I truly believe the combo of the Niners and Bills games last year in back to back weeks gave the NFL the blueprint to slow down that offense.  And I am not sold that Lamar can be consistent enough in the pocket once teams neutralize the run all the time offense.  

Yeah, no way Josh goes before Dak or Wentz. Like no way. And AD would go before Bosa.

[without a drought]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah, no way Josh goes before Dak or Wentz. Like no way. And AD would go before Bosa.

Don't get him started, he wanted him to be 1B.

[BillsCelticsAngelsBama]

20 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I think Allen would go top 10. It’s an interesting thought exercise... 

 

A spin off question... who would be the first non-QB taken?

He would go in the top 10 rounds, for sure.

18 hours ago, Logic said:

My mock top 10 picks if the NFL started from scratch tomorrow (I took age into account, because these teams are starting from scratch, so old dudes seem like bad picks):

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Deshaun Watson
3. Russell Wilson (a bit old at 31, but figure we can get a good decade out of him)
4. Lamar Jackson
5. Carson Wentz
6. Kyler Murray
7. Aaron Donald
8. Myles Garrett

9. Nick Bosa
10. Christian McCaffrey

Note: This is clearly just for fun because I'm bored out of my mind in quarantine. Would be interesting to see how many players got picked before the first non-QB came off the board. For what it's worth, I do not believe Josh Allen would be among the first 32 picks.

Too bad we never has the chance to draft Mahomes or Watson !

Edited April 13, 2020 by MOVALLEYRANDY