Made in China

[Uncle Joe]

So this has been mentioned in numerous threads and I think it deserves its own thread.
When this pandemic is over do you really want to buy merchandise made in China?

Will China still be undercutting the market value? Will those struggling from the economic downturn have a choice? Will buyers be able to truly identify the origin of their purchase?

I have a family member that has boycotted LL Bean since they stopped making their product in Maine.
Appreciate your thoughts and insight,

[jrober38]

Most Americans are living pay check to pay check, struggling to get by. 

 

I'd guess those people couldn't care less about where they're buying products from. 

 

They're just trying to keep the lights on, put food on the table and clothes on their kids backs. 

[RochesterRob]

6 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said:

So this has been mentioned in numerous threads and I think it deserves its own thread.
When this pandemic is over do you really want to buy merchandise made in China?

Will China still be undercutting the market value? Will those struggling from the economic downturn have a choice? Will buyers be able to truly identify the origin of their purchase?

I have a family member that has boycotted LL Bean since they stopped making their product in Maine.
Appreciate your thoughts and insight,

  You ask quite a complicated question.  Let's see where we are in 4-6 months and if any revelations about a deliberate release of Corona virus are made.  I prefer to buy other than Chinese but often there is not a choice in the matter.  Many tools among other products are made in China sometimes with no alternative.   Automotive parts.  Household electrical.  

[Koko78]

11 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

Most Americans are living pay check to pay check, struggling to get by.

 

That's not even close to being true.

[Buffalo_Gal]

If goods were available not made in China, I would purchase them. The  Made in America store(s) have been very popular for years, so there is a market.

 

Saying that, my SIL is in import-export. Their millions of sq ft of storage space are stuffed with goods from overseas, a lot from China. (With nothing open, it is not being distributed to stores.) And, that is just one company. The expectations are that non-medical goods will be business as usual when the Wuhan Virus subsides. Whether or not those expectations come to fruition, we shall see.

 

 
 

 

[Wacka]

Is her name Vandelay? Is she in import/export of latex?

Edited April 3, 2020 by Wacka

[Azalin]

I've always believed that if American manufacturers want us to buy American, they need to make those products to be at least comparable in both affordability and quality. Under current circumstances I am willing to pay more, both as a big FU to China as well as to lend support to American workers who will need the work. 

[Prickly Pete]

2 hours ago, Uncle Joe said:

So this has been mentioned in numerous threads and I think it deserves its own thread.
When this pandemic is over do you really want to buy merchandise made in China?

Will China still be undercutting the market value? Will those struggling from the economic downturn have a choice? Will buyers be able to truly identify the origin of their purchase?

I have a family member that has boycotted LL Bean since they stopped making their product in Maine.
Appreciate your thoughts and insight,

 

 

NO.

 

I think there will be more of a move towards India, but I hope we are never again so dependent on another country. Gotta learn from this.

 

 

Edited April 3, 2020 by 32ABBA

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, 32ABBA said:

 

 

NO.

 

I think there will be more of a move towards India, but I hope we are never again so dependent on another country. Gotta learn from this.

 

 

  India won't be as cheap as China.  China may not be the last stop for the cheap train but has to be darn close to it.  I would guess that Vietnam and Cambodia are the last stop but things need to start coming back to the US and Canada.

[Prickly Pete]

4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  India won't be as cheap as China.  China may not be the last stop for the cheap train but has to be darn close to it.  I would guess that Vietnam and Cambodia are the last stop but things need to start coming back to the US and Canada.

 

 

Yeah, China is cheaper, obviously. But India can be cheap, and not set off a worldwide pandemic, so there's that...

 

 

I agree that there needs to be lots more production here. 

 

 

 

Edited April 3, 2020 by 32ABBA

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

If it were up to me, I'd cut China off at the knees.

 

 

[Taro T]

7 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  India won't be as cheap as China.  China may not be the last stop for the cheap train but has to be darn close to it.  I would guess that Vietnam and Cambodia are the last stop but things need to start coming back to the US and Canada.

 

Viet Nam and Cambodia won't be the last stops on the cheap labor train.  Venezuela is working its way towards that status and there are countries in Central America and Sub-Saharan African with cheap labor.  If they improve their property rights, would expect those would be the next sources for foreign manufacturing.  Which could help those countries reduce poverty tremendously, if they can keep the multinationals from lining autocrats pockets.

 

Would agree that manufacturing needs to come back to the US.  Will be interesting to see how much of it does come back.  Expecting pharmaceuticals will come back.  If cheap energy continues, could see chemicals in general coming back as well provided those manufacturers can get around/ overcome NIMBY.  Not expecting much else to actually come back; hoping though that it does.

[LeviF]

We should not allow anything made in China to be sold in America without making companies pay an arm and a leg to bring it here, to the point that it might as well be prohibited.

 

We should not allow any people made in China to migrate here or attend our universities.

[billsfan1959]

10 hours ago, jrober38 said:

Most Americans are living pay check to pay check, struggling to get by. 

 

I'd guess those people couldn't care less about where they're buying products from. 

 

They're just trying to keep the lights on, put food on the table and clothes on their kids backs. 

 

[Warren Zevon]

[ALF]

10 hours ago, Koko78 said:

 

That's not even close to being true.

Survey: 53% of Americans Live Paycheck to Paycheck

 

Many Americans are living life on the edge — financially, at least. A new survey from MagnifyMoney revealed that a staggering number of people live paycheck to paycheck — and that just one missed paycheck would cause bills to pile up. According to our survey of over 1,000 Americans, 62% don’t have the recommended three months of living expenses saved up.

 

https://www.magnifymoney.com/blog/news/paycheck-survey/      February 4, 2020

 

Not sure how accurate 

[whatdrought]

8 hours ago, 32ABBA said:

 

 

Yeah, China is cheaper, obviously. But India can be cheap, and not set off a worldwide pandemic, so there's that...

 

 

I agree that there needs to be lots more production here. 

 

 

 

I mean, India doesn’t have the highest quality of living and hygiene in their boarders either... just cause it hasn’t doesn’t mean it won’t.

As for buying china goods- I would gladly buy American, if there was a consistent opportunity to do so. Coming from a town that was absolutely destroyed by NAFTA and other import export changes in the 80’s and 90’s, I’m all about getting our production back on our beaches, so to speak. 

[SoCal Deek]

29 minutes ago, ALF said:

Survey: 53% of Americans Live Paycheck to Paycheck

 

Many Americans are living life on the edge — financially, at least. A new survey from MagnifyMoney revealed that a staggering number of people live paycheck to paycheck — and that just one missed paycheck would cause bills to pile up. According to our survey of over 1,000 Americans, 62% don’t have the recommended three months of living expenses saved up.

These sorts of statistics are often tossed out there by Bernie and his followers to suggest that Americans aren’t making enough money. But IMHO that’s the wrong conclusion. What these stats more accurately show is that much like the federal government many Americans have a SPENDING problem, not an income problem. They live paycheck to paycheck because they’re living above their means of support. 

[KRC]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

These sorts of statistics are often tossed out there by Bernie and his followers to suggest that Americans aren’t making enough money. But IMHO that’s the wrong conclusion. What these stats more accurately show is that much like the federal government many Americans have a SPENDING problem, not an income problem. They live paycheck to paycheck because they’re living above their means of support. 

 

My BIL is that way. He lives paycheck-to-paycheck. Not because of salary. Because he spends above his means. If he loses one day of work, he is looking for a handout to get by. Meanwhile, he has a $60k car sitting in the garage that he rarely drives.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, KRC said:

 

My BIL is that way. He lives paycheck-to-paycheck. Not because of salary. Because he spends above his means. If he loses one day of work, he is looking for a handout to get by. Meanwhile, he has a $60k car sitting in the garage that he rarely drives.

That’s been my life experience as well. I have three business partners. We all make the exact same salary. One of us however lives WAY above his means and likes to boast about his lifestyle. But....the slightest disruption sends him scrambling. He isn’t poor! He makes really good money. But he’d fit Bernies definition of living paycheck to paycheck.

[RochesterRob]

34 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

These sorts of statistics are often tossed out there by Bernie and his followers to suggest that Americans aren’t making enough money. But IMHO that’s the wrong conclusion. What these stats more accurately show is that much like the federal government many Americans have a SPENDING problem, not an income problem. They live paycheck to paycheck because they’re living above their means of support. 

  Both can be true.  I see people living paycheck to paycheck.  A life long friend does so and I have been in his house many times.  No fancy vehicle in the driveway and no state of the art electronics.  They cook their meals and very little is prepared out of the box.  Also, I see people that I know are making minimum wage who have a 50,000 dollar pickup in the driveway courtesy of leasing.  The kids wear expensive but not high quality clothes (150 dollar jeans).  The 53 percent that ALF cited can be debated but there are more than a few Americans who are hand to mouth through no fault of their own.

[Uncle Joe]

Thanks for the responses.

As a consumer I will make an effort to buy products made outside of China. But as R Rob and B Gal eluded to, we as consumers are small players in the international trade game. The China trade deal is the big elephant in the room.

 

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

That’s been my life experience as well. I have three business partners. We all make the exact same salary. One of us however lives WAY above his means and likes to boast about his lifestyle. But....the slightest disruption sends him scrambling. He isn’t poor! He makes really good money. But he’d fit Bernies definition of living paycheck to paycheck.

 

Nice example, there are definitely spenders and savers. I fall into the saver category. Made my own work lunches most days, Brewed my own coffee (I can't do the math waiting 15 minutes and paying for a Dutch Bros coffee). Always tried to have have that 3-6 month cushion after I got a job with benefits. Never got a home equity loan to buy toys. But I digress...

Edited April 3, 2020 by Uncle Joe

[spartacus]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

These sorts of statistics are often tossed out there by Bernie and his followers to suggest that Americans aren’t making enough money. But IMHO that’s the wrong conclusion. What these stats more accurately show is that much like the federal government many Americans have a SPENDING problem, not an income problem. They live paycheck to paycheck because they’re living above their means of support. 

but they are not spending on quality or American made goods

if they were, Walmart, with their Chinese goods,  would be out of business

 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

4 hours ago, Gary Busey said:

You might want to use what little brainpower you have left to think before you post shitlikethis. That's not a hat sold on a Trump website. It's a hat made in China, imported by a number of different wholesalers for sale to retailers. Spend your time on something useful, like stocking up on Depends. 

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

You might want to use what little brainpower you have left to think before you post shitlikethis. That's not a hat sold on a Trump website. It's a hat made in China, imported by a number of different wholesalers for sale to retailers. Spend your time on something useful, like stocking up on Depends. 

 

It's a hat made in China worn by an American Cultist. Doesn't matter where the ***** the hat is sold - the morons who wear them live in America

[3rdnlng]

1 minute ago, Gary Busey said:

 

It's a hat made in China worn by an American Cultist. Doesn't matter where the ***** the hat is sold - the morons who wear them live in America

So, a person that wears a hat that somehow refers to Trump is a cultist? That's just because you disagree with them, eh? I sense:

 

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

 

 

Anyone wearing a MAGA hat is part of the cult - yes

[Uncle Joe]

Make America Great Again is a marketing slogan. 
I don't have a problem with it.
And the only cult I belonged to was Blue Oyster in my youth.
 

Edited April 3, 2020 by Uncle Joe

[3rdnlng]

7 hours ago, Uncle Joe said:

Make America Great Again is a marketing slogan. 
I don't have a problem with it.
And the only cult I belonged to was Blue Oyster in my youth.
 

So, now that he's dead you're denying that Manson guy? 

[Uncle Joe]

29 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

So, now that he's dead you're denying that Manson guy? 

 

[Doc Brown]

8 hours ago, Gary Busey said:

 

Anyone wearing a MAGA hat is part of the cult - yes

If that's the standard does wearing a Bills hat make me part of a cult?

7 hours ago, Uncle Joe said:

Make America Great Again is a marketing slogan. 
I don't have a problem with it.
And the only cult I belonged to was Blue Oyster in my youth.

He stole it from Reagan. My only problem with the slogan is America's always been great.

[Chef Jim]

8 hours ago, Gary Busey said:

 

Anyone wearing a MAGA hat is part of the cult - yes

What makes one a cultist beside what they put on their head. 
 

Now back to the thread.  Move it all to Mexico. As I’ve said before. Mexico will do so well economically THEY’LL need a wall to keep US out. And they’ll pay for it. BAM!! 

[Q-baby!]

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

If that's the standard does wearing a Bills hat make me part of a cult?

No but both of them make you a loser!

[4merper4mer]

18 hours ago, Uncle Joe said:

Make America Great Again is a marketing slogan. 
I don't have a problem with it.
And the only cult I belonged to was Blue Oyster in my youth.
 

That wasn't a cult, it was a bar in a movie.

[Uncle Joe]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

That wasn't a cult, it was a bar in a movie.

I'm guessing you never saw Buck Dharma Roeser in the 70's.
(or just not your style of music ?)

[4merper4mer]

51 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said:

I'm guessing you never saw Buck Dharma Roeser in the 70's.
(or just not your style of music ?)

You've never danced with Harris and Proctor?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...this just in........check for the Ethiopian President of WHO  is "in the mail"........and the US funds this corrupt organization just like the UN?.....good Lord........

 

China wins seat on UN Human Rights Council panel despite troubling record, response to coronavirus

By Adam Shaw | Fox News

 

 

China has won a seat on a panel on the controversial U.N. Human Rights Council, where it will help vet candidates for important posts -- despite its decades-long record of systematic human rights abuse that the U.S. has said fueled the coronavirus pandemic.

Jiang Duan, minister at the Chinese Mission in Geneva, was appointed to the U.N. Human Rights Council’s Consultative Group -- where he will serve as the representative of the Asia-Pacific states. He will serve as one of five representatives for blocs of countries and is joined by delegates from Spain, Slovenia and Chad.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-un-human-rights-council-coronavirus-response

 

 

[keepthefaith]

On 4/2/2020 at 10:02 PM, Azalin said:

I've always believed that if American manufacturers want us to buy American, they need to make those products to be at least comparable in both affordability and quality. Under current circumstances I am willing to pay more, both as a big FU to China as well as to lend support to American workers who will need the work. 

 

I feel the same but it's complicated.  If we engage  in much greater nationalistic buying then we somewhat snub other countries economically which likely causes their markets for our products to become restricted or diminished because of their dislike of our snub.  It'll be tough for example to take advantage of huge markets like China and India if we don't maintain good economic relations.  For sure Med and other essential products should be made here more so and their plenty of room to eliminate the huge trade imbalance with China, but our companies need free global markets.  Especially industries like the Auto industry. 

[jrober38]

On 4/2/2020 at 9:18 PM, Koko78 said:

 

That's not even close to being true.

 

Forbes says 78% of Americans live pay check to pay check. 

 

What's your source?

[Koko78]

49 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Forbes says 78% of Americans live pay check to pay check. 

 

What's your source?

 

Link the statistic.