HOUSE Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) All that matters is people are safe. I can give up football for one season If all this comes to pass, the 2021 draft should be very interesting Edited March 28, 2020 by HOUSE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Just now, JohnC said: What do you mean by controlled exposures? As it stands we don't even know what percentage of the population is infected with the virus. If people behave responsibly and follow the guidelines the curve certainly can be flattened. But what happens if someone is asymptomatic and the virus is dormant and for some reason it is activated? What makes this virus more frightening and dangerous than the generic flu is that it so highly contagious. You can go from containing this virus and then in quick order have it re-ignite and exponentially infect others. This is a complicated and inflammable issue that can alter the way we live for a very long time. I mean systematically expose everyone to this virus and let nature take its course. Eventually everyone will be infected anyway at this rate. As you mentioned, who knows how many people have it or already has it and were asymptomatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 minute ago, RaoulDuke79 said: I mean systematically expose everyone to this virus and let nature take its course. Eventually everyone will be infected anyway at this rate. As you mentioned, who knows how many people have it or already has it and were asymptomatic. How can you systematically expose a population when the authorities in charge don't have the capacity to test for it? A big fear as noted by Dr. Fauci is that the virus becomes dormant and then re-ignites at a later time. As far as the vaccine goes even if it proves to be successful how do you deal with a large portion of the population who refuse to get vaccinated? As it stands 50% of the people don't get flu shots even when it is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Is this a fact or your opinion? Well obviously it is not a fact until it is announced but it is just unrealistic to think any different. This virus isn't disappearing in 4 or 6 weeks. More like 4 or 6 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I feel like September could possibly be a realistic back to normal point. The problem if you are going straight into a season on the back of nothing. Will be interesting for sure. My guess is they play a shortened season. Maybe an 8-12 game season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Well obviously it is not a fact until it is announced but it is just unrealistic to think any different. This virus isn't disappearing in 4 or 6 weeks. More like 4 or 6 months. Ok. I said by July 4th. That is 15 weeks. I’m not sure where you got 4 to 6 weeks. I never said that. Edited March 27, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Same with Liverpool soccer. That season is done. I have on very good authority that when the Premier League meets next week a majority of clubs (11 out of 20) will vote for abandonment. A final decision won't come down until May but the 19/20 season is void. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 minute ago, JohnC said: How can you systematically expose a population when the authorities in charge don't have the capacity to test for it? A big fear as noted by Dr. Fauci is that the virus becomes dormant and then re-ignites at a later time. As far as the vaccine goes even if it proves to be successful how do you deal with a large portion of the population who refuse to get vaccinated? As it stands 50% of the people don't get flu shots even when it is available. We can’t keep everything shutdown for people who choose not to get the vaccine. Social Darwinism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 No football. I have prepped for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Just now, BuffaloRebound said: We can’t keep everything shutdown for people who choose not to get the vaccine. Social Darwinism. Forget about the vaccine. We are a year away from that remedy. How and when do we get back to normal (attending games, concerts, socializing, restaurants, schools etc.) when there isn't a vaccine to deal with this currently infectious virus? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 https://www.syracuse.com/sports/2020/03/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-self-quarantined-with-jets-sam-darnold-washingtons-kyle-allen-during-coronavirus-pandemic.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 minute ago, JohnC said: How can you systematically expose a population when the authorities in charge don't have the capacity to test for it? A big fear as noted by Dr. Fauci is that the virus becomes dormant and then re-ignites at a later time. As far as the vaccine goes even if it proves to be successful how do you deal with a large portion of the population who refuse to get vaccinated? As it stands 50% of the people don't get flu shots even when it is available. We dont have the capacity to test everyone now because of how fast this ramped up. Eventually we will, if people choose to do so. As far as the flu shot goes and how its related to this, I say let nature take its course. Many will die, but we either need a vaccine like polio, or the body will build up a natural defense like chicken pox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 I would be surprised if the NFL does not have games close to normal schedule even if they do not have any fans present. They can test all players repeatedly if needed and play in empty stadiums but the TV ratings will be great if not simply for the normalcy of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That season is done. I have on very good authority that when the Premier League meets next week a majority of clubs (11 out of 20) will vote for abandonment. A final decision won't come down until May but the 19/20 season is void. It just sucks. Whatever happens there will be an asterisk. There's no doubt Liverpool was class of the field this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JohnC said: Forget about the vaccine. We are a year away from that remedy. How and when do we get back to normal (attending games, concerts, socializing, restaurants, schools etc.) when there isn't a vaccine to deal with this currently infectious virus? Agreed. There won’t be large public gatherings like games and concerts until there is a vaccine. But when there’s a vaccine, I can’t see people being ok not going back to normal because some people choose not to get the vaccine. Edited March 28, 2020 by BuffaloRebound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: It just sucks. Whatever happens there will be an asterisk. There's no doubt Liverpool was class of the field this year. They were. Of a very bad field it must be said but this is an excellent Liverpool team. Edit: not sure it will have worked its way over there yet but the Football Association voided all semi professional leagues for the season yesterday. It is very much the direction of travel. Edited March 28, 2020 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gray Beard said: https://www.syracuse.com/sports/2020/03/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-self-quarantined-with-jets-sam-darnold-washingtons-kyle-allen-during-coronavirus-pandemic.html One of the things that I admire about Josh is that he is self-motivated and a worker. As this link indicates you don't have to worry about him when he is on his own. I don't know for sure what his potential is but what I do know for sure is that he is going to maximize it to the best of his ability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 31 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Same with Liverpool soccer. They were, what, two games away from a league title, with an all but insurmountable point lead? They should have just been declared champions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Just now, Logic said: They were, what, two games away from a league title, with an all but insurmountable point lead? They should have just been declared champions. That isn't impossible still. Even if it is abandoned. The problem is they then have a season with champions but no other outcomes because they can't declare relegation or European qualification based on the table. They would be bang to rights in court on that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Logic said: They were, what, two games away from a league title, with an all but insurmountable point lead? They should have just been declared champions. I dont know what the odds were, but it had to be like 99.99999999% they would get the title. Edited March 28, 2020 by RaoulDuke79 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Agreed. There won’t be large public gatherings like games and concerts until there is a vaccine. But when there’s a vaccine, I can’t see people being ok not going back to normal because some people choose not to get the vaccine. I guarantee it that if there is a breakout near one's circle of living (vaccine or not) there won't be a normal for those through no fault of their own are caught in the vicinity of that contamination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Herbie has been pretty erratic with his comments. The other day he RTd one of Clay Travis’s tweets which is the complete opposite side of that spectrum. It’s ok to have that opinion if he does. But espn may need to reel him in a bit. ESPN is happy to have anyone pay attention to them these days. Scraping through the archives only get you so far 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: We dont have the capacity to test everyone now because of how fast this ramped up. Eventually we will, if people choose to do so. As far as the flu shot goes and how its related to this, I say let nature take its course. Many will die, but we either need a vaccine like polio, or the body will build up a natural defense like chicken pox. The problem wasn't that we didn't have the capacity to test everyone. That wasn't the dereliction. The problem was that we didn't do what was necessary to test in order to handle the hot spots. By targeting the hot spots instead of the general population we would have had a better ability to contain the breakout. Edited March 28, 2020 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: The problem wasn't that we didn't have the capacity to everyone. That wasn't the dereliction. The problem was that we didn't do what was necessary to test in order to handle the hot spots. By targeting the hot spots instead of the general population we would have had a better ability to contain the breakout. No use crying over spilled milk. We can't change the past. It's time to move forward and learn from the mistakes. We need to take appropriate measures to mitigate the situation, but it will all amount to a hill of beans if industry stops and the economy collapses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: No use crying over spilled milk. We can't change the past. It's time to move forward and learn from the mistakes. We need to take appropriate measures to mitigate the situation, but it will all amount to a hill of beans if industry stops and the economy collapses. ....and then we will all be fighting over that hill of beans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Augie said: ....and then we will all be fighting over that hill of beans! Keep your powder dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: No use crying over spilled milk. We can't change the past. It's time to move forward and learn from the mistakes. We need to take appropriate measures to mitigate the situation, but it will all amount to a hill of beans if industry stops and the economy collapses. I'm not crying over spilled milk (as you put it). The issue of testing that has hurt our ability to contain the virus in the first place is still an issue as it is spiraling out of control. If you want to mitigate this outbreak you have to resolve the issue of not having the ability to test the areas where there are hot spots. It's hard to fight when you are blind to the nemesis. Edited March 28, 2020 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Warm weather tends to suppress viruses. I'm in Florida and its mid 90's these days. Not suppressed at all here my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Football says "no Herbstreit" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, JohnC said: I'm not crying over spilled milk (as you put it). The issue of testing that has hurt our ability to contain the virus in the first place is still an issue as it is spiraling out of control. If you want to mitigate this outbreak you have to resolve the issue of not having the ability to test the areas where there are hot spots. It's hard to fight when you are blind to the nemesis. Yes, our CDC flubed it big time. When the World Health Organization offered their test in January, the CDC said "No, we always do our own" So, they went and did their own, but, it didn't work right....they rolled out a defective test to the country. After about 6 weeks, they recognized they needed help and the administration cut the red tape and allowed Private labs to develope their own tests. Did you know the CDC had a monopoly? Private l abs could not act without permission, and the CDC/FDA were not about to give it. Yes, Congress gave them that a few years ago, trust misplace imho. The CDC, then, deprived our leaders of almost 2 months of data, and we have not caught up yet. Hard to fight a war without the data. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Keep your powder dry. I’m thinking more about the beans....black bean soup tomorrow. Recipe time! I made vegetarian sloppy joes last week with lentils. I almost blew the covers off that night! Beans, beans..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Cal said: It should be. Will affect OTAs and training camp though. The NBA and NHL should cancel the season and not try to come back. Its going to be about 4 months till we are back to some normal imo You are correct. Minimum 4 months. I have some background in this space and we ain't seen nothing yet. Sept may be doable if the concept of seasonality slows things but guessing if we play this year its delayed or shortened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Warm weather tends to suppress viruses. You may need to check in with some sources that impart information that reflects scientific findings. Sadly this is not going anywhere miraculously in April so we having beautifully filled churches at Easter is really not a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Augie said: I’m thinking more about the beans....black bean soup tomorrow. Recipe time! I made vegetarian sloppy joes last week with lentils. I almost blew the covers off that night! Beans, beans..... Beans are very versatile and your wife is a saint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Beans are very versatile and your wife is a saint. The poor dog leaves with her in the middle of the night! TMI??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Augie said: The poor dog leaves with her in the middle of the night! TMI??? A clever way to get the bed to yourself. Somehow my dog has become immune to flatulence. In fact he may even enjoy it. Maybe that gene was rolled into the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 3 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I wouldn’t bet on that.. What’s the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 3 hours ago, major said: ESPN's Kirk Herbstreit: 'I'll be shocked' if there's football in the fall because of coronavirus. I feel the higher ups in college and nfl know this, but few are willing to say it. Your thoughts? Kirk HERBstreet is smoking enough HERB to make this comment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Wouldn't it be something if the best Bills team in 20 years didnt get to play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 I refuse to turn on the news until someone delivers some good news on this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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