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Do the Patriots have a bottom 5 roster?

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

No.

 

Their defensive backfield is still elite and if they can keep their guys healthy their offensive line is good. 

 

Bottom 10, yea I could get myself there. At the moment they have the worst Quarterback room in the NFL. 


worst qb room in the league really caps how high you can get. 

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I think they do. We’ve kind of belabored the point in threads, but there really is going to be a distinct advantage to teams having low turnover going into this season, we have three starters changing in offense and defense ( 4 if you count nickel, and two of those are familiar to McDermott). The Pats can’t say the same.

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The Pats probably have an avg. to slightly below avg roster, with a totally unproven QB, and a superb HC.

 

If there goal isn't to tank this year, which I haven't totally ruled out, I could still see them winning 9-10 games and competing for AFC East division winner.

 

I think people are overlooking Bill B's ability to develop QB's.

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34 minutes ago, Estro said:

The Pats probably have an avg. to slightly below avg roster, with a totally unproven QB, and a superb HC.

 

If there goal isn't to tank this year, which I haven't totally ruled out, I could still see them winning 9-10 games and competing for AFC East division winner.

 

I think people are overlooking Bill B's ability to develop QB's.

 

Only 2 Cheaters' QB's have done much of note: Brady and Jimmy G.  The rest are a handful of backup QB's and a majority of guys he failed to develop.

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2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is a big factor in my ranking. Like do you take the Patriots roster right now, or the Bengals roster with Joe Burrow? When I try to come up with definitively worse rosters I think of the Jaguars, Redskins, Bengals, Raiders, Lions. Maybe the Jets and Dolphins? And I'm not 100% certain on any of those. Add Burrow and Chase Young to the Bengals and Redskins, it's possibly a different conversation.

 

 

Dolphins no they proved it last year when game was important to New England.

 

And they still have best Director of Spying in the league.  Probably best in all sports.

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BB has won with 3 different QBs now. Who thought Jimmy G was going to do so well? They will find a way to push the rules to their breaking point with a different attack. I wish I had a dollar for every time the Pats OL gets a holding call. I'd have a whopping $10, I think.

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Absolutely not. They are a middle of the pack team, in my opinion. I could see them in the 7-9 to 9-7 crowd of teams. Their defense should still be good. It's usually good even when people used to think it would suck, because Belichick is a defensive coach and coaches and schemes them up.

 

Their offense will probably be bad. But the Bills have had a bad offense the past few years and still managed to make the playoffs twice because of our defense.

 

Expect the Patriots to completely switch to their power running game this season. Most defenses are not designed to defend that as the passing game is so prominent in today's NFL. It will be old school football for them.

10 minutes ago, flmike said:

BB has won with 3 different QBs now. Who thought Jimmy G was going to do so well? They will find a way to push the rules to their breaking point with a different attack. I wish I had a dollar for every time the Pats OL gets a holding call. I'd have a whopping $10, I think.

Jimmy G barely played for the Patriots.

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3 hours ago, Success said:

Been waiting 20 years for this - the Bills are good. But more importantly, the Patriots are bad.

 

They still have BB.  That is really all they have.  They are one of the oldest teams in the league, with an unproven QB and very little talent.  They remind me of the Jauron-era Bills.

 

Except for the Jauron part!

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Would love to see Stidham matched up against McDermott’s defense twice next year.

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5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That wasn't McD. It was Rex. And it wasn't close it was 16-0 and they couldn't move the ball at all with an injured 3rd string QB. 

 

McD is yet to beat them.

Oh my you are correct. It was Rex. 

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I doubt that the Pats will be as bad as everyone expects.  With BB on the sidelines, he will get the most out of whatever players they put on the field.

 

If the Pats win the AFC East again, what does that say about Brady?

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I always chuckle at the Pats trauma we all take in. People are like “it’s a bottom 5 roster but they’ll definitely win 10+ games playing the toughest schedule in football.” Lol

 

They lost 2 key LBs, their weapons are awful, OL average and have the worst QB situation in the league. This Pats team is not going to be good unless something drastic changes between now and the start of the season (ie healthy Cam goes there and is the Cam of 5 years ago). This team is like a 6 win team.  
 

And please, please, please, don’t give me, “but they always....” nonsense. Those teams were different from this team!! Even the Cassel team had a lot of talent. He had Welker and Moss, a strong OL, along with stars all over the defense. This team is NOTHING like that team. If you want to argue that I’m wrong do it based on THIS roster not what they’ve done in the past. Richard Seymour and Randy Moss aren’t going to be out there making plays this year.

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9 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

I will NEVER underestimate a Bill Belichick coached team. Ever.

Same. I wonder what the odds for the division look like or if odds even exist until life begins again.

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You guys all underestimate the 13th man (refs) and the 14th man (the league).

 

They have stolen data about teams, they get away with holding constantly, mugging by their CBs, and pick plays and push-offs with their WRs and TEs.

 

They are the only team that's made me want to quit watching football because of the sham. How they can video tape another team and not be ban the owners, coach and Tommy Hero is beyond me.

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If we don’t sweep New England and win the AFC East this year it’ll never happen for us. Allen is a 3rd year QB, time to start showing some signs of being a dominant franchise QB. I agree that Dalton or Newton would push New England into the playoffs as a wildcard but Buffalo should be making a deep playoff push slash Super Bowl run.

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11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

No.

 

Their defensive backfield is still elite and if they can keep their guys healthy their offensive line is good. 

 

Bottom 10, yea I could get myself there. At the moment they have the worst Quarterback room in the NFL. 

 

 

Secondary's as we well know as Bills fans is never a good situation when they are the strength of your team.  They are hurting on both lines, the receivers stink & they have one of the biggest question marks at QB.  It smells like a bottom five roster to me.  Now, the equalizer is the hoodie, if he could get this team with the losses they have had into the playoffs this year he truly is a wizard.  

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11 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Are we looking at a bottom 5 roster? Bottom 10 at best?

 

11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

No.

 

Bottom 10, yea I could get myself there. At the moment they have the worst Quarterback room in the NFL. 

Make up your mind.

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2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I always chuckle at the Pats trauma we all take in. People are like “it’s a bottom 5 roster but they’ll definitely win 10+ games playing the toughest schedule in football.” Lol

 

They lost 2 key LBs, their weapons are awful, OL average and have the worst QB situation in the league. This Pats team is not going to be good unless something drastic changes between now and the start of the season (ie healthy Cam goes there and is the Cam of 5 years ago). This team is like a 6 win team.  
 

And please, please, please, don’t give me, “but they always....” nonsense. Those teams were different from this team!! Even the Cassel team had a lot of talent. He had Welker and Moss, a strong OL, along with stars all over the defense. This team is NOTHING like that team. If you want to argue that I’m wrong do it based on THIS roster not what they’ve done in the past. Richard Seymour and Randy Moss aren’t going to be out there making plays this year.

 

I agree that if they go in with these two QBs it is a 6 win team. I don't agree on their OL - I like all their guys up front. The issue is keeping them healthy. Andrews obviously missed last year, and Wynn has been hurt a lot. But keep the 5 guys they have healthy I think their line is good. They need a QB though.

4 minutes ago, Gordio said:

 

 

Secondary's as we well know as Bills fans is never a good situation when they are the strength of your team.  They are hurting on both lines, the receivers stink & they have one of the biggest question marks at QB.  It smells like a bottom five roster to me.  Now, the equalizer is the hoodie, if he could get this team with the losses they have had into the playoffs this year he truly is a wizard.  

 

It might smell like it to you. It doesn't to me. Though I absolutely agree they have to fix the QB situation.

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5 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

Make up your mind.

 

No to bottom 5 - which was the title of the thread.

 

Bottom 10 I wouldn't argue with.

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11 hours ago, Manther said:

Maybe bottom 5, for sure bottom 10 roster wise.  But, BB is worth more than players.  My guess would be 8-8 to 10-6 for Pats**.  Depends who they get at QB will improve their talent and win total.  

We saw what a good coach can do for a not great roster last year with the Steelers. I mean at one point a guy named Duck was outperforming a top ten pick!

 

But we all know Rosen sucks

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree that if they go in with these two QBs it is a 6 win team. I don't agree on their OL - I like all their guys up front. The issue is keeping them healthy. Andrews obviously missed last year, and Wynn has been hurt a lot. But keep the 5 guys they have healthy I think their line is good. They need a QB though.

 

It might smell like it to you. It doesn't to me. Though I absolutely agree they have to fix the QB situation.

That’s fair on the OL but how much of the OL came from Brady? His pre-snap reads and quick throws certainly aided them. They may be okay but it isn’t going to matter if Stidham/Hoyer is back there. That’s especially true with their schedule.

3 hours ago, CommonCents said:

Same. I wonder what the odds for the division look like or if odds even exist until life begins again.

New England  +100

Bills +180

Miami +650

Jets +750


These are the most recent that I have seen but there is some variance. 

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1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

We saw what a good coach can do for a not great roster last year with the Steelers. I mean at one point a guy named Duck was outperforming a top ten pick!

 

But we all know Rosen sucks

If you compare that Pittsburgh team to this Pats team though that Pittsburgh team is probably better. They are better on the OL (imo), better skill players (even though they are overrated), better front 7 and an easier schedule. They won 8 games. As currently constructed this Pats team is a 6 win team (and that’s BECAUSE of BB). 

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