YoloinOhio Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 There is talk he could return to Vikes on a restructured deal, this gives them much needed cap space of 13 mill. But would be a nice veteran fit with Bills. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 in an NY minute. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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whatdrought Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Would love to add him, only concern is that I know he’s had some off field issues - not character concerns I don’t think, mental health stuff maybe? I’m not sure the context, but would want to make sure everything is good there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: Would love to add him, only concern is that I know he’s had some off field issues - not character concerns I don’t think, mental health stuff maybe? I’m not sure the context, but would want to make sure everything is good there. I don’t know where that stands but the Bills have invested in sports psychologists 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Didn't expect him to walk away from the $$$, but I guess he is possibly looking for more guarantees. The question with him is not his ability, but his mental health. He missed time previously due to that, did he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, H2o said: Didn't expect him to walk away from the $$$, but I guess he is possibly looking for more guarantees. The question with him is not his ability, but his mental health. He missed time previously due to that, did he not? probably sees the writing on the wall and wanted to get out in front of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, whatdrought said: probably sees the writing on the wall and wanted to get out in front of it. Helps Minnesota financially, but it certainly weakens their defensive front. Griffin should get a $15,000,000-$18,000,000 per year deal, for up to 2 years possibly, elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: There is talk he could return to Vikes on a restructured deal, this gives them much needed cap space of 13 mill. But would be a nice veteran fit with Bills. I am "Wow!" surprised at this. He counted $13.9 against their cap. $13.1 cap savings for them. He's gonna be 33 years old, and I *think* his play has tailed off a bit I would have thought he would keep his deal while trying to negotiate a restructure - leverage. I'm not sure other teams are gonna line up to give a guy a 3 year, $43.8M deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 how much of his production the last couple years has been cause of danielle hunter? griffin was very good but hunter is quietly on the fastest sack pace in nfl history. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 Used to play for Leslie Frasier ... potential connection 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 How much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t know where that stands but the Bills have invested in sports psychologists Shouldn’t they send them over to the Sabres?! * ”Repeat after me: I think I can, I think I can...” Edited February 20, 2020 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) If the 3 years $43m option had no guarantees, what is the point of even putting it into a contract? Theoretically, griffin could’ve opted in and then the Vikings could’ve cut him the next day. Edited February 20, 2020 by BuffaloRebound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 66 pressures of the quarterback is no joke. Sign him up for a couple years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I like the idea of adding Griffen or Addison, but both are 32 years old and, combined with Jerry Hughes, would still only be an answer for a season or two. At the end of the day, the Bills are going to have to add youth at the position at some point or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Logic said: I like the idea of adding Griffen or Addison, but both are 32 years old and, combined with Jerry Hughes, would still only be an answer for a season or two. At the end of the day, the Bills are going to have to add youth at the position at some point or another. Draft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, H2o said: Helps Minnesota financially, but it certainly weakens their defensive front. Griffin should get a $15,000,000-$18,000,000 per year deal, for up to 2 years possibly, elsewhere. So your take is his market value at 32 is above his current Minn. contract? 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: how much of his production the last couple years has been cause of danielle hunter? griffin was very good but hunter is quietly on the fastest sack pace in nfl history. Not only that, but he has fallen off a bit last year or two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Draft Nah. Bottled beer is better. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: griffin was very good but hunter is quietly on the fastest sack pace in nfl history. There are 13 other players who had more sacks through their first 5 seasons than Hunter has through his first 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, whatdrought said: Would love to add him, only concern is that I know he’s had some off field issues - not character concerns I don’t think, mental health stuff maybe? I’m not sure the context, but would want to make sure everything is good there. I had the same thoughts. He had a very serious incident that was really scary. I think it’s kinda crazy how quick he came back. But this is the nfl and they don’t give a crap about the players’ well being. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/scary-concerning-details-emerge-about-vikings-everson-griffens-mental-state-after-hotel-incident/amp/ honestly, as much as we need a pass rusher, I’d pass on him. He’s about to be 33, played across a great pass rusher, and I don’t want him to have the Bills on his resume if something bad happens in the future. I think we could do better and cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So your take is his market value at 32 is above his current Minn. contract? Not only that, but he has fallen off a bit last year or two? He has 8 or more sacks in each 5 of the last 6 seasons. Missed 6 games in 2018 with mental illness recovery, no games missed due to physical injury Edited February 20, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So your take is his market value at 32 is above his current Minn. contract? Someone will give him $15,000,000 on a one year deal at least is my thought on the situation, yes. He's still a good player and edge rushers tend to get a bit of a markup. It's not like he is coming off of a major injury or anything like that either. We were just having a discussion the other day about sacks not telling the whole story. Griffin had 8 sacks last year in 15 games, but also had 13 hurries and 13 QB knockdowns. They give him credit for 35 pressures in total. He's still an effective player and someone will pay him more than he was about to get in Minnesota I believe. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/defense_advanced.htm Edited February 20, 2020 by H2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 30 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He had a very serious incident that was really scary. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/scary-concerning-details-emerge-about-vikings-everson-griffens-mental-state-after-hotel-incident/amp/ We got experience with guys losing it in hotels 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 59 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I had the same thoughts. He had a very serious incident that was really scary. I think it’s kinda crazy how quick he came back. But this is the nfl and they don’t give a crap about the players’ well being. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/scary-concerning-details-emerge-about-vikings-everson-griffens-mental-state-after-hotel-incident/amp/ honestly, as much as we need a pass rusher, I’d pass on him. He’s about to be 33, played across a great pass rusher, and I don’t want him to have the Bills on his resume if something bad happens in the future. I think we could do better and cheaper. OMG no. No, no, NO. Prayers for his wife and family and for Griffin himself to continue to have mental and physical health. If you read it carefully, the hotel incident was the worst and the culmination, but there is off-kilter stuff that his wife is quoted as almost routine with: The Star-Tribune reports that Griffen's wife said her husband "awoke in the middle of the night on Sept. 16 and left the home" and that Griffen does that "at times when he is fighting 'demons' in his head." Griffen came back home on Wednesday and then left until Saturday. The only reason to have older players who can play on the team vs all young guys who can play is to help mentor and guide the younger men in their career and personal lives. I wish this guy the best, but he should probably stop playing and start working on putting himself right. He is not someone the team can rely upon to be a consistent mentor and example. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I like him as a player but is not a long term solution at his age. he also is going to want a dump truck full of money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLBighits Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 37 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OMG no. No, no, NO. Prayers for his wife and family and for Griffin himself to continue to have mental and physical health. If you read it carefully, the hotel incident was the worst and the culmination, but there is off-kilter stuff that his wife is quoted as almost routine with: The Star-Tribune reports that Griffen's wife said her husband "awoke in the middle of the night on Sept. 16 and left the home" and that Griffen does that "at times when he is fighting 'demons' in his head." Griffen came back home on Wednesday and then left until Saturday. The only reason to have older players who can play on the team vs all young guys who can play is to help mentor and guide the younger men in their career and personal lives. I wish this guy the best, but he should probably stop playing and start working on putting himself right. He is not someone the team can rely upon to be a consistent mentor and example. That's one way to get away from your wife and out of the house. Lol Honey I'll be back in a little while gotta go fight demons!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OMG no. No, no, NO. Prayers for his wife and family and for Griffin himself to continue to have mental and physical health. If you read it carefully, the hotel incident was the worst and the culmination, but there is off-kilter stuff that his wife is quoted as almost routine with: The Star-Tribune reports that Griffen's wife said her husband "awoke in the middle of the night on Sept. 16 and left the home" and that Griffen does that "at times when he is fighting 'demons' in his head." Griffen came back home on Wednesday and then left until Saturday. The only reason to have older players who can play on the team vs all young guys who can play is to help mentor and guide the younger men in their career and personal lives. I wish this guy the best, but he should probably stop playing and start working on putting himself right. He is not someone the team can rely upon to be a consistent mentor and example. I don’t necessarily view it that way. Not every vet has to be a mentor just as not every young player needs guidance in their career and personal life. He could simply be a player who they feel could be productive, in place of say, Trent Murphy 38 minutes ago, Nester said: I like him as a player but is not a long term solution at his age. he also is going to want a dump truck full of money I don’t think anyone would look at him as that. He can be 1/11. They can still add young players. They need to upgrade at pass rusher, and this is one option to do so in addition to others they can pursue, draft and otherwise. As far as $ - he will get what he’s worth and Beane will put a value on him and if it matches it matches. If not he will go elsewhere. Edited February 20, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Depending on cost I just dont think this is what Beane looks for to biuld the team...... Good player though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, NFLBighits said: Honey I'll be back in a little while gotta go fight demons!? It does sound more impressive than, “Honey, I have to defend Tom Brady’s legacy on an internet message board!” 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 4 hours ago, whatdrought said: Would love to add him, only concern is that I know he’s had some off field issues - not character concerns I don’t think, mental health stuff maybe? I’m not sure the context, but would want to make sure everything is good there. He had a bizzarre issue last year I think the week of our epic game @ Minny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 23 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t necessarily view it that way. Not every vet has to be a mentor just as not every young player needs guidance in their career and personal life. He could simply be a player who they feel could be productive, in place of say, Trent Murphy Fair. But would you agree in return, the older vets who are highly paid on the roster do, at least, need to be counted upon to "lead by example" in their preparation and practice as well as on Sunday? I kinda think a guy whose wife reports he gets up in the middle of night and goes off to fight "demons in his head" like it's not uncommon, stands a high probability to be Not That Guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, gobills404 said: There are 13 other players who had more sacks through their first 5 seasons than Hunter has through his first 5. has more sacks before the age of 25 than anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Fair. But would you agree in return, the older vets who are highly paid on the roster do, at least, need to be counted upon to "lead by example" in their preparation and practice as well as on Sunday? I kinda think a guy whose wife reports he gets up in the middle of night and goes off to fight "demons in his head" like it's not uncommon, stands a high probability to be Not That Guy. I do think they should produce and prepare according to what is required I just don’t think they all need to be Kyle Williams. I’m not sure of the current state of his mental issues or what type of treatment he has, but I’m sure teams will get any info they can from the agent , and will have interest in him according to where the risk lies. Edited February 20, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Age is a factor for me here. Yes hes been productive but we need an elite young DE to grow with the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, DJB said: Age is a factor for me here. Yes hes been productive but we need an elite young DE to grow with the team. Got anyone in mind? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, DJB said: Age is a factor for me here. Yes hes been productive but we need an elite young DE to grow with the team. Well, just like with Knox - I think we can draft someone with the hope that they develop into a star, but in the meantime, we need a fall back plan to ensure production. Not lobbying for Griffen here though. 1 hour ago, JerseyBills said: He had a bizzarre issue last year I think the week of our epic game @ Minny C.Biscuit linked it up thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, DJB said: Age is a factor for me here. Yes hes been productive but we need an elite young DE to grow with the team. Why not both? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 45 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Why not both? We most certainly need to inject some youth in that room. We can have both 50 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Got anyone in mind? Yeah draft one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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