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Would you give our 2020 1st rd pick to the Lions for Kenny Golliday?

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2 hours ago, Tipster19 said:

I would, the guy could be the offensive game changer that the Bills are looking for. He’s entering his last year of his rookie contract and the Lions will have to make a decision on him sooner or later. Being a Belichick disciple I would think that Patricia isn’t looking to lock up a ton of money on a WR. Pay him now and they might just be willing to give him up. The guy has been in the league and is ready to ball.

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1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Why are you worried about things 3-4 years down the road? 

 

Whats more important a Super Bowl victory or cap space?

 

Seriously, does any Chiefs fan lament that they paid Sammy Watkins $16 million and he's their WR3?

1 hour ago, KD in CA said:

"Trading draft picks for guys that are due to be paid is an excellent way to build a consistent winner."

 

-Dan Snyder

 

One trade for one player doesn't make it a policy

 

-- me

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Golliday has proven he can play in the NFL (under a different system though).  However just like rookies haven't proven they can play in the NFL yet, Golliday has not proven he will play hungry after a large contract.   

 

There seems to be less risk in drafting a receiver in the first round.  Control, financial flexibility, and character fit are all benefits to looking to the draft.   Especially with this year's pool.

 

There are also other options out there for a #1b WR like Breshad Perriman who is a FA id you are not interested in using our #1 pick on a WR..

 

       

 

 

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1 hour ago, Utah John said:

The Bills are building a team that can win consistently for years to come, not throwing everything in for a single year that might or might not work out, only to watch the team dissolve.

The team will dissolve...assuming Allen turns into a franchise QB. There’s just no way around it....they’ll be shelling out a good chunk of cap at him at the cost of resigning some core players. Just the way the NFL and the salary cap works.... the goal is to take advantage of that rookie QB window. Bills need to win NOW, assuming Allen is who we all hope he is. 

8 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Seriously, does any Chiefs fan lament that they paid Sammy Watkins $16 million and he's their WR3?

 

One trade for one player doesn't make it a policy

 

-- me

Nope... but to no surprise Bills fans here are still suggesting the Chiefs regret that contract they gave him. It’s insanity.😂

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

All these - we dont have the cap space, what about player xyz, build via the draft talkers must just love mediocrity. Lets do our best to just keep our own and maintain a decent team. We can have some excitement bouncing around from 6-10 to 10-6. Good times. 

 

This is the NFL. Teams can get out of deals so easily and manipulate the cap and rosters. You have to go all in when you think you have a window to win. If the Bills are not at that point yet then they are in trouble. The next 3-4 years they have a shot to be good. You worry about that now and adjust as needed when you need to. 

I know....it’s like they fear the Bills won’t make the move so they justify a reason why it shouldn’t happen. The answer always seems to be “But cap hell!!!” Even with the team sitting on over $90 million of available cap space.

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2 hours ago, elijah said:

Edmunds, Milano, Dawkins, Josh, Tre, Poyer, etc. are all guys that are going to need to get paid soon. Adding Golladay to the list doesn’t help, he expires after this season. 

 

The cap space is nice right now but it doesn’t last forever.  We have a young core with most of our important players on their rookie contracts, these rookie contracts don’t last forever.  Give me a number one who we have cost controlled for 4 years, not a number one with one year left and a $15M+ contract coming. 

do you think all those guys will be re-signed? Beane said you can't sign everyone....I think Milano and Poyer do not get re-signed. Golladay is a great WR...not sure what I would give up but I would try if he's available

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2 hours ago, whatdrought said:


He’s more known. Not necessarily better... he was a third round pick himself, which kinda proves the craziness of WR drafting.

 

I wouldn’t trade a 1st straight up as this is such a good class. Maybe a 1 for him and a 3rd. 

 

not to mention,  I think he still played well after Stafford was injured.  He'd be great for Allen with his ability to grab semi-inaccurate thrown balls.  

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2 hours ago, Utah John said:

The Bills are building a team that can win consistently for years to come, not throwing everything in for a single year that might or might not work out, only to watch the team dissolve.

trading for Golladay wouldn't be throwing everything in for a single year. Giving up a 1st round pick and a big contract won't destroy the Bills.....not sure what I would give up for him but he's a great player and better than anyone we could draft

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2 hours ago, njbuff said:

This is a WR rich draft.

 

Why give up draft choices when you can draft 2-4 WR's in this draft alone and let them develop with Allen?

 

Give up a 1st round pick AND pay Golliday? Beyond stupid.

Because Golliday is a proven commodity while rookie WR's are a crapshoot.  Not taking that deal would beyond stupid.

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3 hours ago, Tipster19 said:

I would, the guy could be the offensive game changer that the Bills are looking for. He’s entering his last year of his rookie contract and the Lions will have to make a decision on him sooner or later. Being a Belichick disciple I would think that Patricia isn’t looking to lock up a ton of money on a WR. Pay him now and they might just be willing to give him up. The guy has been in the league and is ready to ball.

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At first I was going to say trade a number 1 for a proven pass rusher.  But after further consideration I don't think that is the right move.  The money difference is too much between a rookie deal and a star player on their second contract.  Even if the first rounder is only a capable player you get your money's worth.  Adding that a first round DE can contribute immediately I think the best route is DE or Edge in the first round.  

Now if you can get a star WR with a second round pick, then I'd be fine with that even if I had to shell out the dollars. WR's take longer to make an impact and the Bills need a guy that can contribute from day one.  

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43 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Because Golliday is a proven commodity while rookie WR's are a crapshoot.  Not taking that deal would beyond stupid.

 

Is Golliday's impact worth giving up a high draft choice and him getting a huge payday?

 

The answer is no.

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10 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

Is Golliday's impact worth giving up a high draft choice and him getting a huge payday?

 

The answer is no.

The Lions aren't getting rid of Golladay as he's a 26 year old with back to back 1,000 plus yard seasons and 11 TD's last year so this argument is mute.  I'd do the deal in a heartbeat though and give Golladay his money.  You then focus on defense (edge rusher, CB, LB) in the draft to replace some of the players we may lose in free agency in the next few years.

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Trading a 1 is a move you make when you are a single player away. Beane has already come right out and said we are not a single player away. I don't think we go WR with our 1 rder anyway, we're more likely to go DE if a good one falls. 

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I’d trade 22 for Kenny Golladay in a heartbeat IF he agreed to an extension with us.  I’d be delighted for the Bills to pay him.  I get why people shy away from the thought of dropping a 1st (even the 22nd pick) on a player that needs paid soon, but with a player like Golladay you take away a huge amount of uncertainty.  The draft is a crapshoot for even the best GMs. 
 

Edited to add:  Not that there’s anyway Detroit is trading him.

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3 hours ago, Golden Goat said:

If Detroit's dealing a WR, I'm guessing it's Marvin Jones Jr., who's 29 and in the last year of his contract.

 

 

 

...why would Patricia looks to trade Kenny now when he''s signed through 2020?......why wouldn't he work on an extension based on the kid's value?.........

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I'd consider it, but there are issues that need to be settled before I pull the trigger.  Golladay has one more year on his rookie deal, will likely be due a very pricey contract in one year's time.   That's not a deal breaker by itself, but I'd want to have at least a framework in place for an extension before the trade could happen.  In other words, I'm not going to part with a first round pick unless I have decent odds I can keep the player I get in the trade for several years at a price I think the team can afford.

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No chance

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Love Golliday. He looked very good against White in 2018. Doubt the Bills would do it though. Maybe a 2nd and a future early pick would get it done.

Why are you concerned about money? 

2nd might do it for me too.  Not a first.  If he still had a couple years left on his rookie deal, maybe.  He’s a perfect fit for us.  
 

I’d rather just pay aj green and keep the pick

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I believe you want your WR, RB and QB all coming of age and experience right around the same time.  And if you can do it so that their Contracts don't all 'come of age' at the same time you really have something!  If you believe Golliday fits those criteria, I would make that trade.

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1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said:

Trading a 1 is a move you make when you are a single player away. Beane has already come right out and said we are not a single player away. I don't think we go WR with our 1 rder anyway, we're more likely to go DE if a good one falls. 

If Allen improves, then this team is only 2-3 players away. Two edge pass rushers and an elite WR. I'd agree on DE in the first round but if they got an instant impact WR with a trade I could live with it.

If Allen regresses it won't matter what they do. 

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2 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

Trading a 1 is a move you make when you are a single player away. Beane has already come right out and said we are not a single player away. I don't think we go WR with our 1 rder anyway, we're more likely to go DE if a good one falls. 

Wait until UFA is over before you cash that check..RT, TE & true #1Wr away. Depending on what UFA Edges are tagged and what hits the market don't be surprised to see us go here.

 

The Issue you have is the Allen contract that will be coming due and we will start losing players int he following few seasons. Need to take a smart shot now. If you don't make a move for a WR1 via trade,, going with a teir 2 guy who will take 2-3 years to develop will be a wasted opportunity. I truly hope beane is not that stupid....

17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No

I mean we didn't give up a 1st & 3rd for OBJ & we will give up a 1 for this guy? get outta here...

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6 hours ago, Tipster19 said:

I would, the guy could be the offensive game changer that the Bills are looking for. He’s entering his last year of his rookie contract and the Lions will have to make a decision on him sooner or later. Being a Belichick disciple I would think that Patricia isn’t looking to lock up a ton of money on a WR. Pay him now and they might just be willing to give him up. The guy has been in the league and is ready to ball.

F no!!! Trade for Kupp instead

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