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Would you give our 2020 1st rd pick to the Lions for Kenny Golliday?

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1 hour ago, Hardhatharry said:

Lol everything said here is the opposite of what matters. 

Fact- Bills are very bad at drafting WRs

Fact- this money issue isn't an issue

 

But I wouldn't give up a first for him.

What bad receiver did Beane draft?

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Have the Saints won any Super Bowls since they stopped handling their cap fairly frugally? In fact, wasn't that the moment when they had three 7-9 years in a row? In any case, it's not surprising that you looked at that list of about 12 consistent winners and were only able to pluck out one that was much of an exception. Exactly. When you want something and have about 12 models for the kind of success you want and almost all of them operate with much the same overall financial approach, that's the approach that you should take.

 

Your point was that with $90 mill you don't have to worry about the cap, right? Yeah, I got your point, and my objection still stands 100%. Guys who say, "We've got enough money, we can do what we want are generally the ones who very quickly are saying to themselves, "Jeez, just a coupla days ago it seemed I had a ton of money and now I can't afford to go to Mac's for a burger and fries. What happened?" Smart people always husband their money, treating it carefully. Always. You look at guys like Bezos, Gates, Buffett and while they make purchases, they aren't saying, "Ah, now I don't have to worry about money anymore, cuz I've got lots. They still worry about it, and that habit is a lot of the reason they ended up having so much of it. They might easily want to save $20 or $30 mill and roll it over to next year to put them in great shape again.

 

You act as if the $90M is only for Josh Allen. It's not. And I agree with you that he's still got a lot to prove before they give him a massive QB deal, but Josh is very far from all they're thinking about. They've made it as clear as it can possibly be made that they value continuity and that they will be re-signing and extending their own guys as an extremely high priority. That $90M won't all still be there after they bring back the several of the many guys they are surely looking at extending, from Spain, Levi Wallace, Jordan Phillips, Shaq Lawson and a bunch of lesser priorities who might still be helpful enough that they'd want to bring 'em back, guys like Stanford, Coleman, Marlowe, guys like that. Not that they'll bring all of those guys back. Clearly they won't, but there'll be a bunch. And that's not to mention Tre' White, Milano, and Dion Dawkins. And Poyer. 

 

Me? I give Poyer a very nice contract extension sometime soon. He's the guy who holds that backfield together, and that backfield has been the backbone of the Bills backstops, the defense. He wouldn't be easy to replace either, as the reason he's so good is more about smarts, experience, leadership and now continuity than physical freakhood. You can replace him, maybe even with a guy with more physical talent, but you still won't get the same level of performance out of the new safety or the backfield as a unit. As always, I'd be conservative, as the smart teams overwhelmingly do. I wouldn't give him anything he wanted but absolutely I'd give him a raise. He's been worth it, and in fact he's wildly overperformed his contract. This defense is extremely cheap in 2020, around $57M right now. Absolutely bring back a major leader of a group that outperforms their own talent at a position that won't likely require a huge outlay to make him happy in a year when they can afford to spend judiciously.

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15 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Is he rumored to be available?  If not, then what’s point of thread?  Might as well I start threads about trading for any unavailable player if he’s not.

If he is, then it’s a resounding yes.  You trade the 22nd pick for a young beast of a WR.

 

He is NOT rumored to be available.  The point of the thread is to engage in off-season speculation, based on the OP's perception of how Belicheck works and his assumption that Patricia would follow his lead.

 

I'm with you (both on pointlessness of speculation and course of action if available) but this IS the off-season.  I see it as preferable to another thread about Antonio Brown or Tom Brady.

 

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2 hours ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

 

ScottLaw was totally right.  The guy he quoted was implying we couldn't hypothetically sign Golladay to a big contract because we had to pay the guys like Edmunds and Allen.  Those guys just finished their 2nd year.  The Bills have the rights to those guys for another 3 years.  Milano and Dawkins aren't going to break the bank.  This "cap hell" some people worry about is a total exaggeration.  The Bills for 2020 currently have 1 player with a cap hit of 10 million or more.  The Chiefs have 8 and still have to pay Mahomes.  I guess they should have cancelled the Super Bowl parade.  I remember 5 years ago when everyone said the Saints were in "salary cap hell".  What happened?  There's no prize in the NFL for doing the most while spending the least.  The Bills have plenty of money to spend.

 

 

Please, nobody's mentioning cap hell right now, though we really were in horrible cap shape when McDermott arrived from the Whaley administration.

 

You don't have to be worrying about an immediate cap hell to advocate spending judiciously.

 

And that's nonsense that the guy he was referring to was specifically pointing towards having to protect guys like Edmunds and Allen. Yeah they enter the equation but they are very very far from being the only guys that we are going to be concerned with re-signing. Where did Elijah, the guy Scott was replying to, saying anything about Edmunds and Allen, specifically. He's talking about the whole situation, and yes a big contract that will last for years will affect our ability to sign guys now and for years. We're not going to have $90M every year, or at least not unless we spend very judiciously indeed.

 

Here's his post:

 

22 hours ago, elijah said:

No. 

 

Draft offers more youth, some players seemingly with more talent, and a lot less money. 

 

The first round pick for X questions just don’t make much sense, especially with the WR depth this year. 

 

And I greatly disagree with your effort to minimize guys we might be looking to re-sign or extend this year. It ain't just Milano and Dawkins (and no, those two wouldn't break the bank, but they also won't be cheap, particularly Dawkins). It's also guys like Tre' White, like Poyer, like Spain, Levi Wallace, Shaq Lawson, Jordan Phillips. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

 

ScottLaw was totally right.  The guy he quoted was implying we couldn't hypothetically sign Golladay to a big contract because we had to pay the guys like Edmunds and Allen.  Those guys just finished their 2nd year.  The Bills have the rights to those guys for another 3 years.  Milano and Dawkins aren't going to break the bank.  This "cap hell" some people worry about is a total exaggeration.  The Bills for 2020 currently have 1 player with a cap hit of 10 million or more.  The Chiefs have 8 and still have to pay Mahomes.  I guess they should have cancelled the Super Bowl parade.  I remember 5 years ago when everyone said the Saints were in "salary cap hell".  What happened?  There's no prize in the NFL for doing the most while spending the least.  The Bills have plenty of money to spend.

plus they just won a Superbowl

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3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Please, nobody's mentioning cap hell right now, though we really were in horrible cap shape when McDermott arrived from the Whaley administration.

 

You don't have to be worrying about an immediate cap hell to advocate spending judiciously.

 

And that's nonsense that the guy he was referring to was specifically pointing towards having to protect guys like Edmunds and Allen. Yeah they enter the equation but they are very very far from being the only guys that we are going to be concerned with re-signing. Where did Elijah, the guy Scott was replying to, saying anything about Edmunds and Allen, specifically. He's talking about the whole situation, and yes a big contract that will last for years will affect our ability to sign guys now and for years. We're not going to have $90M every year, or at least not unless we spend very judiciously indeed.

 

Here's his post:

 

 

And I greatly disagree with your effort to minimize guys we might be looking to re-sign or extend this year. It ain't just Milano and Dawkins (and no, those two wouldn't break the bank, but they also won't be cheap, particularly Dawkins). It's also guys like Tre' White, like Poyer, like Spain, Levi Wallace, Shaq Lawson, Jordan Phillips. 

 

 

When Scott asked Elijah who he was concerned about paying he said: "Edmunds, Milano, Dawkins, Josh, Tre, Poyer, etc. are all guys that are going to need to get paid soon."  Edmund and Josh are getting paid soon?  No, they're not.  Total exaggeration.  Also, the Bills control Tre for another 2 years at minimum. The Bills can pay Dion, Milano, Shaq and give Poyer a bump this offseason and have plenty of money to sign a big FA and add smaller cumulative pieces. Again, the Bills have 1 player on the entire roster with a 10 million dollar cap hit.  Most perennially good teams have 6-7 and the Chiefs have 8.  This miser way of spending is like a guy sitting in bonds for the last 10 years.  Now is the time to go get a  final big piece or two.

3 hours ago, nucci said:

plus they just won a Superbowl

Yeah but can you imagine how much better they'd be if they didn't grab Frank Clark and Tyrann Matheiu and sign them to big deals?  What were the Chiefs thinking?!?!?

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2 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Why? People over value #1 picks, I mean to me Golliday gives this team what it needs/wants at the WR position and unlike a rookie is at least NFL proven. I make a trade like this all day every day. 


I don’t like trading #1s and then signing the player to a mega deal. Don’t think Beane wants to build like that.  I would rather keep the pick and draft a WR and pay 1/4 the price $$$ locked down for 4+1 years.

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2 hours ago, thebandit27 said:


Why is it a fact that the Bills are “very bad” at drafting WRs?

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Mojo44 said:

What bad receiver did Beane draft?

 

These are ALL the ones he has  drafted: Austin Proehl, Ray-Ray Mcloud, Zay Jones.  Throw in UDFA's Easley and Foster if you want.  No difference.

 

Last year, when the Bills were on the clock for their second round pick, AJ Brown, Mecole Hardman and DK Metcalf were all there for the taking.  Beane ran to the podium to select Cody Ford...a guy who might be moved to another spot on the line to see if that's where he might be better used.

 

So, combining the bums they HAVE drafted and those 3 WRs they passed on in the same round of the same draft (and got Ford instead!)---how else can anyone conclude other than that they are bad at drafting WRs?

 

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37 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 

 

 

These are ALL the ones he has  drafted: Austin Proehl, Ray-Ray Mcloud, Zay Jones.  Throw in UDFA's Easley and Foster if you want.  No difference.

 

Last year, when the Bills were on the clock for their second round pick, AJ Brown, Mecole Hardman and DK Metcalf were all there for the taking.  Beane ran to the podium to select Cody Ford...a guy who might be moved to another spot on the line to see if that's where he might be better used.

 

So, combining the bums they HAVE drafted and those 3 WRs they passed on in the same round of the same draft (and got Ford instead!)---how else can anyone conclude other than that they are bad at drafting WRs?

 


Beane was hired after the 2017 draft. Give him credit for that if you want, but I would say that there’s absolutely no reason to believe that he’s bad at drafting WRs. 

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Sorry, but I can’t get excited about spending major capital like #1 picks on players from loser franchises. 

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4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:


Beane was hired after the 2017 draft. Give him credit for that if you want, but I would say that there’s absolutely no reason to believe that he’s bad at drafting WRs. 

 

Ok then.  In 2 years, he has drafted one WR.  A bust at that.  And passed last year despite many good choices and a position of need.

 

There's absolutely no reason yet to believe he's any good at drafting WRs.  Only evidence to the contrary.

 

 

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Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Ok then.  In 2 years, he has drafted one WR.  A bust at that.  And passed last year despite many good choices and a position of need.

 

There's absolutely no reason yet to believe he's any good at drafting WRs.  Only evidence to the contrary.

 

 


Nope. Zero evidence to suggest he’s not good at it.

 

There is ample evidence to suggest that he hasn’t prioritized WR in the draft. And no, a 6th round WR that is still in the league isn’t a bust. Nothing to get excited about, but calling any 6th round pick a bust is crazy.

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1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:


Nope. Zero evidence to suggest he’s not good at it.

 

There is ample evidence to suggest that he hasn’t prioritized WR in the draft. And no, a 6th round WR that is still in the league isn’t a bust. Nothing to get excited about, but calling any 6th round pick a bust is crazy.

 

 

A WR with 5 catches in 2 years is a bust.  How can you argue otherwise. Come on.  He's returned 14 punts and 8 KO's.....in 2 years!  He's not on a roster.  He's on  PS.  That is how Beane has addressed WR in the draft since he got here.

 

If you need WRs and you don't prioritize the position then you aren't good at drafting them.  It's that simple.

 

 

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56 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 

 

 

These are ALL the ones he has  drafted: Austin Proehl, Ray-Ray Mcloud, Zay Jones.  Throw in UDFA's Easley and Foster if you want.  No difference.

 

Last year, when the Bills were on the clock for their second round pick, AJ Brown, Mecole Hardman and DK Metcalf were all there for the taking.  Beane ran to the podium to select Cody Ford...a guy who might be moved to another spot on the line to see if that's where he might be better used.

 

So, combining the bums they HAVE drafted and those 3 WRs they passed on in the same round of the same draft (and got Ford instead!)---how else can anyone conclude other than that they are bad at drafting WRs?

 

The only one that counts is Jones. The others are late round flyers. Regardless of position they typically don’t make it and that was the case. So, you have a sample of one. Consequently stating that the current administration is bad at drafting wide receivers is not a fact in the least. It is a stochastic, shot from the hip supposition. 
 

Let’s call it a fact when it actually is one. Given the relatively terrific drafts, I think the current administration get a pass on drafting Jones. He was not a reach, he just didn’t work out. Happens to all teams and I think everyone on the board knows it.

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14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

A WR with 5 catches in 2 years is a bust.  How can you argue otherwise. Come on.  He's returned 14 punts and 8 KO's.....in 2 years!  He's not on a roster.  He's on  PS.  That is how Beane has addressed WR in the draft since he got here.

 

If you need WRs and you don't prioritize the position then you aren't good at drafting them.  It's that simple.

 

 


What were you expecting from a 6th round WR? Seriously.

 

And no, not drafting WRs doesn’t mean they aren’t good at drafting WRs; it means that they haven’t drafted them at all. If you want to argue that not doing so has been to their detriment, then I’d agree with that all day.

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2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Please, nobody's mentioning cap hell right now, though we really were in horrible cap shape when McDermott arrived from the Whaley administration.

 

You don't have to be worrying about an immediate cap hell to advocate spending judiciously.

 

And that's nonsense that the guy he was referring to was specifically pointing towards having to protect guys like Edmunds and Allen. Yeah they enter the equation but they are very very far from being the only guys that we are going to be concerned with re-signing. Where did Elijah, the guy Scott was replying to, saying anything about Edmunds and Allen, specifically. He's talking about the whole situation, and yes a big contract that will last for years will affect our ability to sign guys now and for years. We're not going to have $90M every year, or at least not unless we spend very judiciously indeed.

 

Here's his post:

 

 

And I greatly disagree with your effort to minimize guys we might be looking to re-sign or extend this year. It ain't just Milano and Dawkins (and no, those two wouldn't break the bank, but they also won't be cheap, particularly Dawkins). It's also guys like Tre' White, like Poyer, like Spain, Levi Wallace, Shaq Lawson, Jordan Phillips. 

 

 

Read the post above that one. He specifically says Allen.... and I expect guys like Spain, Phillips and Lawson to not be on the team next year so they'll already not be resigning their own.

 

Anyway, they have the ability to sign some big FAs and retain their own guys they value. They don't need an overly conservative mindset like you've been cheerleading for a while now. 

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1 hour ago, Mojo44 said:

The only one that counts is Jones. The others are late round flyers. Regardless of position they typically don’t make it and that was the case. So, you have a sample of one. Consequently stating that the current administration is bad at drafting wide receivers is not a fact in the least. It is a stochastic, shot from the hip supposition. 
 

Let’s call it a fact when it actually is one. Given the relatively terrific drafts, I think the current administration get a pass on drafting Jones. He was not a reach, he just didn’t work out. Happens to all teams and I think everyone on the board knows it.

What about ones that were already in the league that they gave up a draft pick for? Do they count?

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7 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

What about ones that were already in the league that they gave up a draft pick for? Do they count?

Understand. My response was to a post saying that it was a FACT that the bills were historically bad at drafting wide receivers. My response noted that in terms of the current administration you can’t say that at this point. They had one fail. Not a large enough sample size. It’s a supposition at this point.

 

And, if I understand what you are asking, and no I don’t count it at all. There’s only have to do with wide receivers that they drafted. It has nothing to do with wide receivers that they didn’t draft whether they passed on them or not. I call that the “Mahomes Whine Position”. 
 

So, again, all I am saying is that it is yet to be determined how good the current administration is at drafting wide receivers.So, again, all I am saying is that it is yet to be determined how good the current administration is at drafting wide receivers.

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I would consider it if the Lions threw back their 3rd round pick in exchange for pick 22 and a Bills mid round pick. I am still not sure I would do it but I would consider it. 

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