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28 minutes ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

I was referring to Edmunds, but the same principal applies to Tre. There are a ton of defensive  players that showed their greatness by year 3 that didn't get new deals till after year 4.  Khali Mack, Aaron Donald, Von Miller, Xavier Rhodes, Anthony Barr, CJ Mosely, Clowney, Ansah, Fletcher Cox, Chandler Jones, Marcus Peters, Joey Bosa, Jalen Ramsey, and plenty of other Pro Bowlers left out.  Not saying they won't do Tre this offseason but it would be going severely against the trend.

That's True and I agree it's against the grain.

 

But I guarantee most didn't have our type of cap flexibility . 10 win team with 80 mil in cap , we're in a great position to make the deal now. 

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On 2/12/2020 at 10:59 AM, njbuff said:

This is a WR rich draft.

 

Why give up draft choices when you can draft 2-4 WR's in this draft alone and let them develop with Allen?

 

Give up a 1st round pick AND pay Golliday? Beyond stupid.

Sammy Watkins is a sure fire wr, can’t miss prospect ready to play now- 2014 draft.

You’re right but I’m just so sick of striking out at drafting wrs

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On 2/13/2020 at 8:51 PM, Pokebball said:

I agree.  There were higher priorities than WR.  Much higher priorities.

 

When you give up a fortune in draft capital to move up to draft a first round QB, what higher "priorities" can there be than adding a WR when your team didn't have a single NFL starter caliber WR on the roster???? 

 

 

8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

To the extent that the draft is a crapshoot, free agency is too.

 

Plenty of FAs who'd been good on their last team don't do as well in a new system with new coaches and surroundings. Some do. But it's not as if FAs are a sure thing either.

 

You don't have to go back to Haynesworth, Osweiler, or David Boston's Chargers contract to find FAs who didn't live up to their pay. Jacoby Brissett, Sam Bradford to the Cards, Vontae Davis, for Pete's sake, or look at Nate Solder. Case Keenum Malcolm Butler, Sammy Watkins, who's been decent but nowhere near lived up to his contract ... it goes on and on.

 

I disagree.  Veteran players who move to other teams are known quantities to the NFL talent evaluators while college players entering the NFL are much less well known.  When veteran players fail on new teams, it's much more often that the team trading for them or signing them put those players into situations that don't fit their skill sets than that veteran players suddenly quit once they get a big pay day.  Furthermore, don't discount FO incompetence or hubris is teams' failures in acquiring veteran players. 

 

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I'm not a fan of trading a 1st for Golladay and making him a top paid WR in the league I just don't see him being that elite #1 WR, he's very good but we already have that in Brown and he's nowhere near the top paid.

 

John Brown Stats- 72 catches, 1,060, 6 TD

Kenny Golladay   - 65 catches, 1,190, 11 TD

 

The difference to me is John Brown has been working with Josh Allen for 1 season and Golladay has been working with Stafford since 2017, I just don't think I'm giving up assets for a very good WR, just my opinion.

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15 hours ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

OMG, this is really pathetic.  I went back three years because these were the most recent drafts that pertained to the topic.  I also included only defensive players because Edmunds is  defensive player.  You start throwing in offensive players, quarterbacks and guys not even drafted in the 1st round or in a draft where the 5th year option was available.  Talk about some serious reaching.  A real new low for you.  Even when you do that, it's a extremely small number of players.  Especially defensive players.  So let's look at the data:  Zero players out of 48 defensive 1st rounders drafted between 2014-2016 got new deals after three years.  In 2013, ZERO defensive players out of 17 drafted in the 1st round got new deals after 3 years.  In 2012 1 defensive player drafted in the 1st round got a new deal after 3 years.  In 2011 2 out of the 16 defensive players drafted in the 1st round got new deals after 3 years.  So to summarize: 3% of defensive 1st round players players since the 2011 draft have received extensions after 3 years.  1 defensive 1st rounders since 2012 has gotten and extension after 3 years.  That's 1 player out of 82 defensive 1st rounders or 3 in 98 if you go nap to 2011 the first year of the 5th year option.  Those are some bad looking odds/trends.  Just walk away.

 

 

 

I see. Yeah, this totally makes sense.

 

So McDermott was the DC and Beane the AGM for a team that gave a third year contract ... to a defensive player ... who happens to play the exact same position as Edmunds? In a McDermott defense, on a team GM'd by Beane?

 

And because it didn't happen to a guy drafted between 2014 and 2016, a set of years you picked specifically to try to minimize the number of hits ... you STILL want to pretend it's not a very decent possibility?

 

How funny that you didn't mention that part of my post.

 

You got one thing right, though. Pathetic indeed.

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8 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

 

When you give up a fortune in draft capital to move up to draft a first round QB, what higher "priorities" can there be than adding a WR when your team didn't have a single NFL starter caliber WR on the roster???? 

 

 

 

I disagree.  Veteran players who move to other teams are known quantities to the NFL talent evaluators while college players entering the NFL are much less well known.  When veteran players fail on new teams, it's much more often that the team trading for them or signing them put those players into situations that don't fit their skill sets than that veteran players suddenly quit once they get a big pay day.  Furthermore, don't discount FO incompetence or hubris is teams' failures in acquiring veteran players. 

 

 

 

I understand your post and you make some good points here.

 

But I disagree with a lot of it. FAs aren't precisely known quantities. FAs are known quantities for what they can do playing within the system they were playing in and surrounded by the guys they were surrounded by and making the salaries (sometimes much smaller) that they were making. When those and other factors change, plenty of FAs aren't the known quantities that they were thought to be.

 

I didn't say that sudden quitting was the only factor. It sometimes happens, but there are plenty of other reasons FA moves don't work out, from scheme fits to hating the new city to sudden painkiller addictions to not being as effective as they get older ... it goes on and on.

 

I'd agree with you this much, you probably have a better shot for success with a low- to mid-priced FA than you do with a 6th or 7th rounder. Much better. But a 2nd rounder? I disagree.

 

"What higher 'priorities' can there be than adding a WR when your team didn't have a single NFL starter caliber WR on the roster?" you ask? What higher priority  could there be? I think the best answer for that is a simple one ... whatever builds the team best. OL could be higher if your OL are a danger to your QB. Runner could be higher if your run game sucks so badly that teams can count on stopping them with seven guys and can concentrate their defensive resources totally on stopping the pass game. Defense could be higher if your offense is decent but your defense so bad that you're always behind.

 

If you're talking about 2018 player acquisition, they have specifically said that they didn't want to put Josh in as early as they did. So bringing in WR support for McCarron, Peterman and Barkley was very legitimately not thought of as a huge priority at that time. They wanted to build the team defense-first, and that made a lot of sense at the time, especially with a genuinely screwed-up salary cap situation from the Whaley days.

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19 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

To the extent that the draft is a crapshoot, free agency is too.

 

Plenty of FAs who'd been good on their last team don't do as well in a new system with new coaches and surroundings. Some do. But it's not as if FAs are a sure thing either.

 

You don't have to go back to Haynesworth, Osweiler, or David Boston's Chargers contract to find FAs who didn't live up to their pay. Jacoby Brissett, Sam Bradford to the Cards, Vontae Davis, for Pete's sake, or look at Nate Solder. Case Keenum Malcolm Butler, Sammy Watkins, who's been decent but nowhere near lived up to his contract ... it goes on and on.

 

I'd agree with you had Golloday not put up the numbers he did this past season with David Blough and Jeff Driskel at QB for half the season.

 

If Kenny were somehow unable to replicate that in Buffalo, then we have far more pressing issues.

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3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I understand your post and you make some good points here.

 

But I disagree with a lot of it. FAs aren't precisely known quantities. FAs are known quantities for what they can do playing within the system they were playing in and surrounded by the guys they were surrounded by and making the salaries (sometimes much smaller) that they were making. When those and other factors change, plenty of FAs aren't the known quantities that they were thought to be.

 

I didn't say that sudden quitting was the only factor. It sometimes happens, but there are plenty of other reasons FA moves don't work out, from scheme fits to hating the new city to sudden painkiller addictions to not being as effective as they get older ... it goes on and on.

 

I'd agree with you this much, you probably have a better shot for success with a low- to mid-priced FA than you do with a 6th or 7th rounder. Much better. But a 2nd rounder? I disagree.

 

"What higher 'priorities' can there be than adding a WR when your team didn't have a single NFL starter caliber WR on the roster?" you ask? What higher priority  could there be? I think the best answer for that is a simple one ... whatever builds the team best. OL could be higher if your OL are a danger to your QB. Runner could be higher if your run game sucks so badly that teams can count on stopping them with seven guys and can concentrate their defensive resources totally on stopping the pass game. Defense could be higher if your offense is decent but your defense so bad that you're always behind.

 

If you're talking about 2018 player acquisition, they have specifically said that they didn't want to put Josh in as early as they did. So bringing in WR support for McCarron, Peterman and Barkley was very legitimately not thought of as a huge priority at that time. They wanted to build the team defense-first, and that made a lot of sense at the time, especially with a genuinely screwed-up salary cap situation from the Whaley days.

 

 

You are continually making  excuses for the stupid offensive decisions the McDermott/Beane regime made in 2017-2018.  There really aren't any.  They demonstrated remarkable incompetence in their offensive personnel transactions, including hiring terrible offensive assistant coaches and poor draft decisions (more so in 2017), that suggested they were both completely clueless about offensive football, starting with not re-signing or trading away three NFL caliber WRs in 2017 and not replacing any of them with WRs good enough to play in the NFL much less start, until 2019.   

 

Furthermore, the Bills "cap hell" in 2018 was largely of McDermott/Beane's own making as they not only sent players packing without regard to cap implications as in dead cap space as well as the cost of replacing those players.   They also wasted cap space by trading for/signing FAs like Corey Coleman and AJ McCarron.  In McCarron's case, it seems that he signed with the Bills with the belief that he would get a legitimate shot at being the starter and felt that he didn't get a fair chance at doing so.

 

If the Bills didn't intend to have Allen playing early in his rookie season, then they should have kept Tyrod Taylor or brought in a FA QB better than McCarron to be the starter -- and they definitely should have brought in a better backup QB than Nathan Peterman.  They literally dithered for a month during the season after Peterman proved himself incompetent waiting for Derek Anderson to decide whether to come out of retirement as if he were the only back up QB available!  Moreover, they had no excuse for not hiring an experienced QB coach for their prize rookie.  David Culley's only experience as a QB coach had been a single football season 30 years before in a small collegiate program.

 

It was only in 2019 that the Bills FO started performing competently.  Beane and McDermott replaced most of the offensive assistants.  They added an experienced, dedicated QB coach for Allen.  Beane signed some decent OLers and WRs in FA.  They drafted better, too, on the offensive side of the ball.  My guess is that there was a significant change in the Bills organization, and that Beane was given more authority in 2019 than he had previously.   The resignation of "Mr Moneyball" Russ Brandon in the wake of a sexual harassment scandal in May, 2018, seems likely to be the change that allowed Beane/McDermott to demonstrate that they might actually know what they were doing.   In 2017-2018, the Bills personnel moves were depressingly similar to the ones made throughout Brandon's tenure first as the Bills defacto GM and then defacto owner between 2006-2013.

 

 

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13 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

I see. Yeah, this totally makes sense.

 

So McDermott was the DC and Beane the AGM for a team that gave a third year contract ... to a defensive player ... who happens to play the exact same position as Edmunds? In a McDermott defense, on a team GM'd by Beane?

 

And because it didn't happen to a guy drafted between 2014 and 2016, a set of years you picked specifically to try to minimize the number of hits ... you STILL want to pretend it's not a very decent possibility?

 

How funny that you didn't mention that part of my post.

 

You got one thing right, though. Pathetic indeed.

How are you still arguing this?  The argument is the Bills HAVE to sign Edmunds and Allen soon.  They don't.  Not even close.  They control both their rights for 3 more seasons.  They could choose to do so next offseason but it would be breaking a long running historical protocol.  No defensive player from the 2013-2016 draft, which includes a ton of All pro players, has signed a new deal after 3 years.   Those are some really bad odds for you. Again, the only reason they would do it is because it benefited the cap situation, which destroys the entire premise of the argument. So now you're reaching even more because the 1 time it has happened in the last 5 years is a team that Mcdermott and Beane were associated with.  That would mean you're comparing Luke Kuechly to Tremaine Edmunds.  Rookie defensive player of the year, DPOY in his 2nd season, and a two time 1st team all pro by his 3rd year.  Edmunds is not on Luke's level.  Edmunds just made his 1st pro bowl after an injury to Hightower.  Again, the Bills don't HAVE to do anything soon with Edmunds or Allen.  That's a fact.

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On 2/15/2020 at 10:20 AM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Having gone back to listen to post season PC from last month, I noticed this gem:

 

 

"We probably won’t be spending at the deep end of the pool like we did last year (in free agency), It’s still up to us to find either pieces to compete with what we have or pieces that can upgrade. You can get guys that are minimum contract guys, guys that are low-tier, sort of middle of the road, those sometimes are as important or more important than those big-ticket items."   - Brandon Beane

 

 

Try to understand who this guy Beane is.

I know what he said.... he also said it’s up to them to find upgrades which means spending their available cap room on some very good FA’s. 
 

They were in on trading for AJ Green before the Bengals shut it down so if he makes it to FA I’d wager the Bills highly pursue him.... I don’t think they are going to settle just on low-tier FAs, they’ll pursue a couple really solid FAs or vis trade who can be big contributors to this team AS STARTERS. 
 

I’m not expecting them to throw money at a guy like Amari Cooper, but I can see them adding guys in the middle to upper class of FAs such as Mario Addison and AJ Green with responsible but hefty contracts.... which has been my point all along. 

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16 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

 

You are continually making  excuses for the stupid offensive decisions the McDermott/Beane regime made in 2017-2018.  There really aren't any.  They demonstrated remarkable incompetence in their offensive personnel transactions, including hiring terrible offensive assistant coaches and poor draft decisions (more so in 2017), that suggested they were both completely clueless about offensive football, starting with not re-signing or trading away three NFL caliber WRs in 2017 and not replacing any of them with WRs good enough to play in the NFL much less start, until 2019.   

 

Furthermore, the Bills "cap hell" in 2018 was largely of McDermott/Beane's own making as they not only sent players packing without regard to cap implications as in dead cap space as well as the cost of replacing those players.   They also wasted cap space by trading for/signing FAs like Corey Coleman and AJ McCarron.  In McCarron's case, it seems that he signed with the Bills with the belief that he would get a legitimate shot at being the starter and felt that he didn't get a fair chance at doing so.

 

If the Bills didn't intend to have Allen playing early in his rookie season, then they should have kept Tyrod Taylor or brought in a FA QB better than McCarron to be the starter -- and they definitely should have brought in a better backup QB than Nathan Peterman.  They literally dithered for a month during the season after Peterman proved himself incompetent waiting for Derek Anderson to decide whether to come out of retirement as if he were the only back up QB available!  Moreover, they had no excuse for not hiring an experienced QB coach for their prize rookie.  David Culley's only experience as a QB coach had been a single football season 30 years before in a small collegiate program.

 

It was only in 2019 that the Bills FO started performing competently.  Beane and McDermott replaced most of the offensive assistants.  They added an experienced, dedicated QB coach for Allen.  Beane signed some decent OLers and WRs in FA.  They drafted better, too, on the offensive side of the ball.  My guess is that there was a significant change in the Bills organization, and that Beane was given more authority in 2019 than he had previously.   The resignation of "Mr Moneyball" Russ Brandon in the wake of a sexual harassment scandal in May, 2018, seems likely to be the change that allowed Beane/McDermott to demonstrate that they might actually know what they were doing.   In 2017-2018, the Bills personnel moves were depressingly similar to the ones made throughout Brandon's tenure first as the Bills defacto GM and then defacto owner between 2006-2013.

 

 

 

 

 

No, I really don't make excuses for the stupid decisions they've made. Which makes it easy on me because they simply haven't made very many. Some, though, and those are worth pointing out and criticizing.

 

But most of what you're calling mistakes are simply you not getting it.

 

A perfect example is when you say that the 2018 cap problem was mostly McDermott/Beane's fault, and again you completely miss the point. They were in very bad cap shape as far back as 2016. Whaley had been close to the cap and had put in place commitments that would've kept us there for several years down the line. Our 2016 cap looked like a cap for a team in the last year or two of a Super Bowl winner, and all for a team that only won seven games. Yes, Beane and McDermott's solution to that involved cutting a bunch of guys and accumulating a massive amount of dead cap. But what that dead cap was doing is moving money from future cap years and spending it all on 2018, exactly the moves necessary to create the huge cap surpluses we've seen the past two years.

 

I'm not guessing that they didn't want to start Allen that early, Beane said so in the post-season PC. And no they shouldn't have kept Tyrod, he was part of the cap problem left by Whaley, far too expensive for his production (has he managed to get a similar contract since then?) and on a rebuilding team that wasn't going to win that year anyway.

 

Yeah, the McCarron signing didn't work. Fair enough. But it's not as if they spent a lot of money on him. A mistake. Not one with major implications.

 

As for the Corey Coleman deal, oh yeah, huge mistake. Did you know that when they let him go on September 1st, before the season started, they had spent thousands of dollars on him? Thousands!!!!!!! I mean, they cut him before he collected a single game check, so his salary cap hit actually went up over the hundreds of dollars somewhere up into the thousands!!!! Holy Cow, ... he probably cost them less than one game's worth of a guy on a minimum rookie contract. Huge salary cap problem there. A perfect example of you identifying as a problem something that simply wasn't. The Coleman move cost them virtually nothing, they took a flier on him and when he wasn't producing they cut him with almost no effects.

 

 

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6 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I know what he said.... he also said it’s up to them to find upgrades which means spending their available cap room on some very good FA’s. 
 

They were in on trading for AJ Green before the Bengals shut it down so if he makes it to FA I’d wager the Bills highly pursue him.... I don’t think they are going to settle just on low-tier FAs, they’ll pursue a couple really solid FAs or vis trade who can be big contributors to this team AS STARTERS. 
 

I’m not expecting them to throw money at a guy like Amari Cooper, but I can see them adding guys in the middle to upper class of FAs such as Mario Addison and AJ Green with responsible but hefty contracts.... which has been my point all along. 

 

 

 

You know, you say you know what he said. But it's actually clear that you don't. He said "We probably won’t be spending at the deep end of the pool like we did last year (in free agency)," and you immediately assume that what he said implied that he in fact was going to be spending at the deep end of the pool in free agency. You hear what he said but because it differs from what you want you're not willing to believe it. Well, fine, you're clearly a smart guy but if you're not willing to u

 

You quote Beane saying, "he also said it’s up to them to find upgrades which means spending their available cap room on some very good FA’s." And you feel that him saying he needs to upgrade must mean spending on premium FAs only. Despite the numerous ways he's upgraded this team without ever bringing in a premium FA, and despite the fact that he had just said he wasn't going to do that?

 

Not much I can say to that. A guy so utterly bound by confirmation bias isn't going to listen to sense.

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7 hours ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

How are you still arguing this?  The argument is the Bills HAVE to sign Edmunds and Allen soon.  They don't.  Not even close.  They control both their rights for 3 more seasons.  They could choose to do so next offseason but it would be breaking a long running historical protocol.  No defensive player from the 2013-2016 draft, which includes a ton of All pro players, has signed a new deal after 3 years.   Those are some really bad odds for you. Again, the only reason they would do it is because it benefited the cap situation, which destroys the entire premise of the argument. So now you're reaching even more because the 1 time it has happened in the last 5 years is a team that Mcdermott and Beane were associated with.  That would mean you're comparing Luke Kuechly to Tremaine Edmunds.  Rookie defensive player of the year, DPOY in his 2nd season, and a two time 1st team all pro by his 3rd year.  Edmunds is not on Luke's level.  Edmunds just made his 1st pro bowl after an injury to Hightower.  Again, the Bills don't HAVE to do anything soon with Edmunds or Allen.  That's a fact.

 

 

Hunh. What a surprise that you only argue the one I said I'm not interested in arguing. Again, if you want want to argue whether they have to do anything, go argue with someone who gives a *****.

 

And how funny that your whole big dumb argument about how there was no way they would ever re-sign Edmunds, the part I argued, has now disappeared. Replaced by a line or two about the fact that Edmunds isn't yet on Kuechly's level, which I wouldn't argue. He's not, yet. But Edmunds is a very very good player, particularly for his second year, and he is absolutely crucial to their plans for this defense, just as Kuechly was then. They could very easily decide to extend him after his third year.

 

Typical, though, of someone losing an argument. Abandon the losing part, never mention it again, and change the grounds of what you're arguing on and distract distract distract.

 

 

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In a deep WR class I don’t understand the logic of trading away significant draft capital for a guy who is going to require a major contract extension. 

 

Trust your scouting dept to be able to find the next Kenny Golloday in the 1-2nd round. 

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8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Hunh. What a surprise that you only argue the one I said I'm not interested in arguing. Again, if you want want to argue whether they have to do anything, go argue with someone who gives a *****.

 

And how funny that your whole big dumb argument about how there was no way they would ever re-sign Edmunds, the part I argued, has now disappeared. Replaced by a line or two about the fact that Edmunds isn't yet on Kuechly's level, which I wouldn't argue. He's not, yet. But Edmunds is a very very good player, particularly for his second year, and he is absolutely crucial to their plans for this defense, just as Kuechly was then. They could very easily decide to extend him after his third year.

 

Typical, though, of someone losing an argument. Abandon the losing part, never mention it again, and change the grounds of what you're arguing on and distract distract distract.

 

 

That is what I'm arguing. It's what the argument has been since the beginning.  Do the Bills have to sign Edmunds and Allen soon?  No, they do not.  End of story.  They might choose to resign Edmunds early, but it's not a 50/50 shot like you make it out to be.  It's actually a very small probability.  Care to put your money your money where your mouth is?  I doubt it. You've been wrong so many times over the years, I've lost count.  You've always stayed arrogant though, which is a testament to your consistency. 

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10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

You know, you say you know what he said. But it's actually clear that you don't. He said "We probably won’t be spending at the deep end of the pool like we did last year (in free agency)," and you immediately assume that what he said implied that he in fact was going to be spending at the deep end of the pool in free agency. You hear what he said but because it differs from what you want you're not willing to believe it. Well, fine, you're clearly a smart guy but if you're not willing to u

 

You quote Beane saying, "he also said it’s up to them to find upgrades which means spending their available cap room on some very good FA’s." And you feel that him saying he needs to upgrade must mean spending on premium FAs only. Despite the numerous ways he's upgraded this team without ever bringing in a premium FA, and despite the fact that he had just said he wasn't going to do that?

 

Not much I can say to that. A guy so utterly bound by confirmation bias isn't going to listen to sense.

I took what he said as the Bills won't be signing nearly as many FAs as they did last year, because they don't need to..... with $91 million or so available cap dollars you honestly just expect them to sign more depth guys as opposed to starters in FA? Does that make any sense considering where the team currently stands? 

 

Beane can say whatever he wants to the media, but IMO they'll bring in at least a couple of new starters via FA.... those guys won't be bottom tier FAs. It just doesn't add up that a bottom to middle tier FA will be starting on this team next year. 
 

Where did I say “premium” FAs? I have said that they will bring in at least a few high quality FAs, examples being players like AJ Green and Mario Addison..... considering they were in on a trade for AJ Green why is this such a far fetched take to you?

 

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On 2/15/2020 at 6:24 PM, SoTier said:

 

 

When you give up a fortune in draft capital to move up to draft a first round QB, what higher "priorities" can there be than adding a WR when your team didn't have a single NFL starter caliber WR on the roster???? 

 

Oline on offense, and it wasn't even close.

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19 hours ago, Pokebball said:

Oline on offense, and it wasn't even close.

 

That's a valid priority but Beane didn't prioritize the OL either until 2019. The OL in 2017 was below average but serviceable but then Wood was forced into retirement by injury.  That wasn't on McDermott or Beane.  However, the Bills got rid of Incognito, which may have been partly on McDermott/Beane but it's not clear because of Incognito's mental issues.  Then the Bills traded away their best OLer, LT Cordy Glenn, in order to move up in the first round of the draft.   That's a competent C, a Pro Bowl LG, and an above average LT missing from the OL.  The Bills replaced them with backups, bottom feeder career backups, and practice squad refugees.   In the draft, the Bills only got around to drafting an OLer toward the end of the fifth round, Wyatt Teller.  Teller was traded away to Cleveland for a pair of Day 3 draft picks at the end of the 2019 preseason rather than cutting him.

 

In 2018, the Bills essentially had no plan for offense at all much less any priority for offense except to make a big splash by drafting  a QB high in the first round.  In fact, I would argue that 2018 was essentially a reprise of the Bills "offensive" plan of 2013 when Brandon and Whaley drafted EJ Manuel in order to excite the fan base.  The difference was that there were actually QBs in the 2018 draft who were worth drafting in the first round. 

 

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I Like Golladay but lets not give up a 1st for a WR

 

especially after watching the XFL... WR's are everywhere

 

you need to draft big men with 1st round picks

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Golladay has had a catch percentage between 56% and 59% every year of his career.  His production is the result of volume rather than efficiency.  116 targets last year resulted in only 65 catches.  Compare that to Diggs who had 63 catches on only 94 targets.

 

Golladay's TD # this year was exceptional, but that's an outlier this far in his career.  That one start notwithstanding, there's nothing particularly special about him.  He's a lower tier #1.  Diggs is a much better player.

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