How does TSW feel about Andy Reid?

[TroutDog]

8 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

This take may not go over well for some, but I put 'ok coach.'  That is what I think he is, ok.  He almost always has a lot to work with as far as player personnel in both Philly and KC, but ends up being one and done.  Andy has outperformed himself this year, and I expect to see an underwhelming performance in the SB.  That is typically what Andy Reid is - underwhelming.

I don't think he's a bad guy, and unfair attacks were made about him not being the best father to his deceased son, which is a huge shame...I'm sure Reid still hurts thinking about his son.  I think Reid is just 'ok' and his presence as a coach hasn't done anything to define/redefine the position of an NFL coach.

One and done? Been to the SB twice and was a game away from it last year. He’s also won a ton of games, season after season. 

[Chicken Boo]

I believe he and Schottenheimer are Hall of Fame coaches.  

 

Reid's successes with 2 different franchises all while getting the very best out of every QB that he has had, puts him in for me.

 

Andy Reid is the single greatest developer of QB talent that the NFL has ever seen.  Ironically he will be going up against #2 greatest developer of QBs, Kyle Shanahan, in a week.

Edited January 24, 2020 by Chicken Boo

[Happy]

23 minutes ago, TroutDog said:

One and done? Been to the SB twice and was a game away from it last year. He’s also won a ton of games, season after season. 

 

He usually is a game away and ends up losing.  That is what he is known for and past articles have been critical of him by pointing it out.  He's been to the SB once, this is his second appearance.

[Don Otreply]

Not sure I care about his status one way or another....  

he is kinda like what’s his name the Chargers coach that couldn’t win in the post season from a few years back.. Marty something or another....

[NoSaint]

9 hours ago, NewEra said:

Just wondering how you guys feel about Andy Reid.  I feel he’s currently a borderline HoFer and likely a HoFer before he’s finished.  
 

i see Reid get slaughtered on this board by the same people over and over.  I was wondering how the rest of the board feels about him

I thought he was crazy not taking a year off but it seems to be working for him I guess 

[Mr. WEO]

207 wins 128 losses in 21 seasons.  Yet in playoffs 28 games: 14-14.

 

1/5  in Conf Championship games.

 

He's won 77 games in KC, only 4 playoff wins in 7 seasons (5 losses).

 

MO:  racks up tons of regular season wins.  Wins early round playoff games.  Gets routinely outcoached in biggest games.  Big game doofus.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

This poll is kinda insane.  He’s without a doubt HOFer.  He has 17 seasons of 9 or more wins in 21 wins.

 

this while rings are only thing that matters is getting so stupid.  Should not as many Bills have gotten in?  That scrub Draymond Green was talking crap to an all time great in Charles Barkley because he has more rings.  Joe Flacco must be a better qb than Dan Marino.

 

its absolutely insane how much people overrate one game.  Like if Reid wins, he is suddenly a better coach?  Stupid. He is one of the greatest coaches of his era.  He should be in either way. 

So a winning % of 62% in 21 years isn’t enough?  Wild stuff.  Does Marv deserve to be in?

I think he should be in the HOF.  I don't think one game matters that much but he has choked in the biggest games just like Marv did.  That said Reid is a far better coach than Levy ever was.  For the record, no I don't think Levy should have been elected to the HOF.  Not before Coryell or Flores, perhaps not ever.

 

But what about this guy? 21 seasons, 205-139-1 (0.613 win %), with only 2 losing seasons.  5-13 in the playoffs though  

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

207 wins 128 losses in 21 seasons.  Yet in playoffs 28 games: 14-14.

 

1/5  in Conf Championship games.

 

He's won 77 games in KC, only 4 playoff wins in 7 seasons (5 losses).

 

MO:  racks up tons of regular season wins.  Wins early round playoff games.  Gets routinely outcoached in biggest games.  Big game doofus.

Well this is his second Superbowl so he must have at least 2 conf championship wins

3 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

I believe he and Schottenheimer are Hall of Fame coaches.  

 

Reid's successes with 2 different franchises all while getting the very best out of every QB that he has had, puts him in for me.

 

Andy Reid is the single greatest developer of QB talent that the NFL has ever seen.  Ironically he will be going up against #2 greatest developer of QBs, Kyle Shanahan, in a week.

No love for Bill Walsh?  Don Coryell? Jon Gruden? Mike Holmgren? 

[PromoTheRobot]

I think Andy owes McDermott a steak dinner.

[kenny3000]

HOF all the way.

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

207 wins 128 losses in 21 seasons.  Yet in playoffs 28 games: 14-14.

 

1/5  in Conf Championship games.

 

He's won 77 games in KC, only 4 playoff wins in 7 seasons (5 losses).

 

MO:  racks up tons of regular season wins.  Wins early round playoff games.  Gets routinely outcoached in biggest games.  Big game doofus.

1 and 5 in conference championships yet he’s been to 2 Super Bowls.  Interesting. 

[Chandler#81]

Meh. McNabb did him no favors in Philly. Obviously a creative play caller who can ‘get you there’, but..

He’s this era’s Marty Shottenhiemer. Close, but no cigar.

10 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Red is not his color

 

This.

[Thurman#1]

HOFer.

[Doc Brown]

Borderline HOFer like Cowher who pry needed that one Superbowl to get in.  It might be the same for Reid.  He turned around the Eagles and Chiefs.  Got the most out of all his QB's (McNabb, Vick, Alex Smith, Mahomes) and was able to tailor his offenses to play to their strengths.  Impressive coaching tree. 

 

Holmgren deserves to be in btw and was surprised he didn't.

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I think he should be in the HOF.  I don't think one game matters that much but he has choked in the biggest games just like Marv did.  That said Reid is a far better coach than Levy ever was.  For the record, no I don't think Levy should have been elected to the HOF.  Not before Coryell or Flores, perhaps not ever.

 

But what about this guy? 21 seasons, 205-139-1 (0.613 win %), with only 2 losing seasons.  5-13 in the playoffs though  

Well this is his second Superbowl so he must have at least 2 conf championship wins

No love for Bill Walsh?  Don Coryell? Jon Gruden? Mike Holmgren? 

 

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

1 and 5 in conference championships yet he’s been to 2 Super Bowls.  Interesting. 

Sorry. 2 for 6.

[oldmanfan]

An OK coach.  Good offensive mind but tends to outguess himself in playoff situations, make mistakes with clock management, and such.  In the Hall of Good to Very Good.

[Livinginthepast]

Reid is a great offensive mind and a great game planner.  His teams are almost always competitive. However his weaknesses are changing the plan in game. Last years AFC championship was a prime example. This year I thought it was going to happen twice vs Texans and Titans but Mahomes bailed him out. Win the SB and hes a shoe in.

[Chicken Boo]

9 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

No love for Bill Walsh?  Don Coryell? Jon Gruden? Mike Holmgren? 

 

Nobody has had more success with as many QBs as has Reid or Shanahan.

Edited January 24, 2020 by Chicken Boo

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

13 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:

He's been to the SB once, this is his second appearance.

A question:

Wrecks’ Ryan > Andy Reid, since Ryan has a ring?  Can’t remember if he got it as third assistant defensive line coach, or maybe because he found it in a pawn shop.  ?

[Mr. K]

I wouldnt mind seeing him win especially after 5 NFC Championship games and No Lombardi trophy. The T.O. game in the superbowl wouldve been a great story. 

 

That being said, I think we all would like to see the QB that left the Pats win elsewhere. 

[foreboding]

Big Andy Reid fan. Innovative quality coach. When he went from GB qb coach to HC in Philly, I was a skeptic, he's easily proven me wrong. The man wins under all circumstances and I hope he gets his SB in a couple weeks.

[C.Biscuit97]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

An OK coach.  Good offensive mind but tends to outguess himself in playoff situations, make mistakes with clock management, and such.  In the Hall of Good to Very Good.

An ok coach? ? take.  
 

how do you rank McDermott by those standards?

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

An ok coach? ? take.  
 

how do you rank McDermott by those standards?

A work in progress.  Has a long way to go.  To put it in perspective, as much as we all love Marv I don't think he should be in the Hall.  Not even close in my opinion.

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

A work in progress.  Has a long way to go.  To put it in perspective, as much as we all love Marv I don't think he should be in the Hall.  Not even close in my opinion.

With all due respect respect, I couldn’t disagree with you more. Marv definitely deserves the Hall and since I think Reid is a better coach, he does to.  
 

people put way too much stock on one game.  

[Happy]

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

A question:

Wrecks’ Ryan > Andy Reid, since Ryan has a ring?  Can’t remember if he got it as third assistant defensive line coach, or maybe because he found it in a pawn shop.  ?

 

No way.  Wrecks has a ring as the D-line coach for Brian Billick.  I'm fairly certain Marvin Lewis was the DC back in 2000.

[oldmanfan]

24 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

With all due respect respect, I couldn’t disagree with you more. Marv definitely deserves the Hall and since I think Reid is a better coach, he does to.  
 

people put way too much stock on one game.  

  We agree to disagree then.  Reid has not won a championship.  A very good offensive mind, but if he doesn't ever win one then he is on a long list of very good coordinators that didn't really make it as a HC.  Same with Marv; he didn't win a championship and I would argue that for the first and last of the 4 we lost because we got completely outcoached in each game.  Great guy, love what Marv did, but not HOF caliber.  I readily admit my standards for the Hall are high.  For coaches you have to be a winner.  Neither of these guys have been.  If Reid wins one or two my opinion would likely change.

Same thing with players.  To me they have to be truly great at their position..  I think the guys from the Bills that are in belong there.  And I would put Tasker in; he redefined how special teams are played and that deserves credit.  But he won't as we all know.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

  We agree to disagree then.  Reid has not won a championship.  A very good offensive mind, but if he doesn't ever win one then he is on a long list of very good coordinators that didn't really make it as a HC.  Same with Marv; he didn't win a championship and I would argue that for the first and last of the 4 we lost because we got completely outcoached in each game.  Great guy, love what Marv did, but not HOF caliber.  I readily admit my standards for the Hall are high.  For coaches you have to be a winner.  Neither of these guys have been.  If Reid wins one or two my opinion would likely change.

Same thing with players.  To me they have to be truly great at their position..  I think the guys from the Bills that are in belong there.  And I would put Tasker in; he redefined how special teams are played and that deserves credit.  But he won't as we all know.

I just think the championship point is so overrated. Football is the ultimate team game.  For instance, Rodgers completely blows Tom Brady’s postseason numbers away. Yet, he’s only won SB because he’s had some crappy defenses.  Marv making 4 straight SBs is a ton more impressive than Billick riding an all time great defense to one.  Same thing with Reid, who has had like 2 losing seasons in 21 years and is taking a second team to the SB.  I think it would be insane not to put the coach with the 7th most wins of all time in but to each, their own.

 

but along the lines, do you think Gore is a HOFer?

[oldmanfan]

11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I just think the championship point is so overrated. Football is the ultimate team game.  For instance, Rodgers completely blows Tom Brady’s postseason numbers away. Yet, he’s only won SB because he’s had some crappy defenses.  Marv making 4 straight SBs is a ton more impressive than Billick riding an all time great defense to one.  Same thing with Reid, who has had like 2 losing seasons in 21 years and is taking a second team to the SB.  I think it would be insane not to put the coach with the 7th most wins of all time in but to each, their own.

 

but along the lines, do you think Gore is a HOFer?

I think Gore is borderline.  I would have to see who else he was up against in a given year before I'd put him in.  You have to give him credit for longevity an the total production he's had.  I suspect I would not vote him in on say first or second ballet.  

 

I fully get where you're coming from on coaches.  I just think sustained excellence in the form of championships should be used as the measure of a great coach.  You mention Billick, and that would be laughable of course.  One SB doesn't make a great coach. 

 

Too bad we're not electors; it would liven up the debate in the voting room.

[stuvian]

those Eagle teams he took to the post season had mediocre talent yet he got them there. Seeing how badly Donovan McNabb failed away from him makes you realize what a great QB coach he is. The tragedy with his sons makes you want to root for him. I think he'll get his ring next week. His coaching tree might be the best ever

[ALF]

I wonder if it was Andy's idea to trade up for Mahomes . He did develop him perfect . 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[without a drought]

On 1/23/2020 at 12:46 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

I wouldn’t watch his sex tape if one were to come out.

You're not fooling anyone with the "if" and the "wouldn't".