The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Q-baby!]

6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Exactly. He is 74, obese, and of course may have had some type of health episode last November.

This is no joke.

And it has to be said: from what we know he exhibited grossly irresponsible behavior, traveling to a NJ fundraiser after Hope Hicks had tested positive.

$$$$ $. $$$$ $. 

[meazza]

Just now, The Frankish Reich said:

Yes, which is good. But recall Boris Johnson: a few days with "mild symptoms" that he mentioned on video, only to wind up hospitalized the next week. And he's a younger portly man.

This was also in May when our knowledge of the virus was not the same as now. 

Just now, Q-baby! said:

$$$$ $. $$$$ $. 

Why the ***** am I seeing this post when you’re on ignore. 

[Q-baby!]

Just now, meazza said:

This was also in May when our knowledge of the virus was not the same as now. 

Why the ***** am I seeing this post when you’re on ignore. 

I have special powers! 

[meazza]

Just now, Q-baby! said:

I have special powers! 

Hopefully one of them is to disappear.  

[Q-baby!]

Just now, meazza said:

Hopefully one of them is to disappear.  

Just put me on ignore. 

[meazza]

1 minute ago, Q-baby! said:

Just put me on ignore. 

You are on ignore and yet I sometimes see your posts. 

[Q-baby!]

1 minute ago, meazza said:

You are on ignore and yet I sometimes see your posts. 

Well maybe I will magically disappear when the warmer weather comes? 

[Deranged Rhino]

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheDamaniFelder/status/1311911804222746624

[GG]

9 hours ago, meazza said:

You are on ignore and yet I sometimes see your posts. 

 

The ignored list somehow gets unlocked when you respond to a post through a notification.

[Big Blitz]

I'm on an island I know this.....but when you're ready to jump on board the Covid was a China/CIA Operation bandwagon, plenty of room..

 

Devin Nunes: U.S. Election is Being Manipulated by U.S. Intel Community and Political Allies.

https://100percentfedup.com/devin-nunes-u-s-election-is-being-manipulated-by-u-s-intel-community-and-political-allies/

 

 

 

 

Remind me again all the things Brennan has said about Trump?  And Trump the Intelligence community?

[BillStime]

TOTALLY UNDER CONTROL
 

“Now we know that by Feb. 7, Trump knew that COVID was, in his words, ‘a deadly virus.’ But instead of working to protect the American people by containing the virus, the current administration was willfully blind to the growing contagion (“it’s like a miracle; it will disappear,” said Trump) in hopes that voters wouldn’t notice any problems until after the 2020 election.”

 

He added, “While the current administration tries to frame the situation as an unavoidable crisis, it is really closer to a crime of negligence. Weirdly enough, I don’t see this as a political film; it’s a film about incompetence and corruption that is totally out of control.”
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If the federal government had done its job properly and followed clear guidelines in place based on past pandemics, much of this could have been avoided. While the current administration makes its claims for a job well done, the fact is that the US response to COVID-19 is one of the worst, with 4% of the world’s population and 21% of the deaths.

 

‘Totally Under Control’: Neon To Release Alex Gibney Docu About White House’s Failed Response To Pandemic

[Big Blitz]

Illinois is close to passing Georgia in total cases.

 

 

I feel like this is noteworthy.  

 

 

 

Also noteworthy.....Maryland (lockdown central) and Missouri (any follow up on the Ozarks death parties?) same populations....exact same totals.....Maryland has almost twice the deaths. 

 

A smart person would look at this come away with 1 of 2 conclusions.  Either nothing matters re Distancing and masks etc......or all the B.S. they tell you about how "Red States" don't care about the virus is as much of a fairy tale as the virus originating from a wet market.  

Edited October 2, 2020 by Big Blitz

[Buffalo_Gal]

On 7/27/2020 at 12:17 PM, Buffalo_Gal said:

Should be an interesting paper. I wonder if they studied all types of face coverings, and if they have useful or useless designations based on the type? IOW are some masks helpful?  Do N-95s work against the virus?  Are regular hospital masks helpful? Disposables? What about bandanas? What would have to be developed to make them useful (assuming nothing we have now helps)?
 

Face-Mask Photo Op Adds to Bewilderment Over Non-Use in Denmark

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All these countries recommending face masks haven’t made their decisions based on new studies,” Bundgaard said in an interview in Copenhagen.
 

He says there’s evidence to suggest that the only effective face covering might be a visor, because the virus can spread through all mucous membranes, including via the eyes. He worries a cloth covering that only protects the nose and mouth provides a “false sense of security.”
 

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Bundgaard’s study on masks is due to be published next month. In the meantime, he says he hopes they don’t become mandatory in Denmark.
 

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When snooping through this thread for some links for @HappyDays  I came across this from July. I cannot find the study which was to be released in August. As it is now October, I would hope it would have been released. Has anyone seen/read it?

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Ok, so apparently the study is not yet out:
 

 

Those last two responses were in responses to this:
 

 

[HappyDays]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

When snooping through this thread for some links for @HappyDays  I came across this from July. I cannot find the study which was to be released in August. As it is now October, I would hope it would have been released. Has anyone seen/read it?

 

 

I looked it up, the results haven't been released yet. However, I'm confused what that study is trying to prove. The study as designed is testing if wearing a mask helps prevent the mask wearer from getting infected. But that's not what mask mandates are for. Masks are meant to stop infected people, even asymptomatic ones, from spreading the virus to other people. You'd have to wear an entire face mask that even covered your eyes to prevent being infected. Mouth and nose covering masks are not designed for that purpose.

Maybe this is a common misconception in what the anti-maskers think, so to be clear cloth masks are NOT going to be all that effective in preventing you from GETTING the virus. They will help somewhat, but a respiratory droplet from an unmasked carrier could still land in your eyes or somewhere else on your face or hands and get into your body later. The whole point of everyone wearing a mask is so the people that have the virus can't spread it to uninfected people because their respiratory droplets are caught in the mask.

Edited October 3, 2020 by HappyDays

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

I looked it up, the results haven't been released yet. However, I'm confused what that study is trying to prove. The study as designed is testing if wearing a mask helps prevent the mask wearer from getting infected. But that's not what mask mandates are for. Masks are meant to stop infected people, even asymptomatic ones, from spreading the virus to other people. You'd have to wear an entire face mask that even covered your eyes to prevent being infected. Mouth and nose covering masks are not designed for that purpose.

From the design paper:

In the community, the use of face masks is increasing world-wide, but documentation for the efficacy of this remedy is lacking. This trial investigates whether the use of face masks in the community will reduce wearers' risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

I am not sure if the premise is "do  masks work" or "do masks work for everyday schumps" (where the correct wearing and constant face touching may factor in).

They used surgical masks, for the study.

This was interesting:
 

Hospital mask policy.

 

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

This trial investigates whether the use of face masks in the community will reduce wearers' risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

 

I mean that's good research to do but it has nothing to do with public mask mandates. You have it backwards.

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

 

[Golden Goat]

On 10/2/2020 at 12:50 AM, meazza said:

Why the ***** am I seeing this post when you’re on ignore. 

 

Hemorrhoids are a B word to get rid of.

[Doc Brown]

On 9/22/2020 at 6:10 AM, fansince88 said:

Do you realize how dumb of a statement this is. There are no African Americans in Africa.

I'm sure there are at least some African Americans born here who have moved to Africa or are doing missionary work there.

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

The 2015 study on cloth masks. 

Transmission with masks.

 

 

2017 study:

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This systematic review and meta-analysis quantified the protective effect of facemasks and respirators against respiratory infections among healthcare workers. Compared to masks, N95 respirators conferred superior protection against CRI (RR = 0.47; 95% CI: 0.36–0.62) and laboratory-confirmed bacterial (RR = 0.46; 95% CI: 0.34–0.62), **but not viral infections or ILI**.

 

Disposable, cotton, or paper masks are not recommended.

 

The confirmed effectiveness of medical masks is crucially important for lower-resource and emergency settings lacking access to N95 respirators. In such cases, single-use medical masks are preferable to cloth masks, for which there is no evidence of protection and which might facilitate transmission of pathogens when used repeatedly without adequate sterilization.

 

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[HappyDays]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

 

 

He is taking confirmed deaths as a percentage of estimated infections which is very poor statistics. But I will say, despite being very hard to track, there is a fair amount of research that shows covid-19 is not much more lethal than the flu. This is an open question for researchers.

 

The problem is covid-19 is far more infectious, so the potential for an epidemic is much worse. And of course there's no vaccine and we're still learning how to treat it which means even if covid-19 is not more fatal than the flu in a biological sense, in a practical sense it is a lot more widespread and harder to treat and therefore more fatal. Once a safe vaccine is developed it will be more like the flu, albeit with different symptoms. 

[Big Blitz]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

He is taking confirmed deaths as a percentage of estimated infections which is very poor statistics. But I will say, despite being very hard to track, there is a fair amount of research that shows covid-19 is not much more lethal than the flu. This is an open question for researchers.

 

The problem is covid-19 is far more infectious, so the potential for an epidemic is much worse. And of course there's no vaccine and we're still learning how to treat it which means even if covid-19 is not more fatal than the flu in a biological sense, in a practical sense it is a lot more widespread and harder to treat and therefore more fatal. Once a safe vaccine is developed it will be more like the flu, albeit with different symptoms. 

 

 

 

The WHO still thinks all 6 billion left will get it?  Lol

 

Casedemic 

 

Rigged election 

 

Biggest scam in the history of mankind 

[spartacus]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

He is taking confirmed deaths as a percentage of estimated infections which is very poor statistics. But I will say, despite being very hard to track, there is a fair amount of research that shows covid-19 is not much more lethal than the flu. This is an open question for researchers.

 

The problem is covid-19 is far more infectious, so the potential for an epidemic is much worse. And of course there's no vaccine and we're still learning how to treat it which means even if covid-19 is not more fatal than the flu in a biological sense, in a practical sense it is a lot more widespread and harder to treat and therefore more fatal. Once a safe vaccine is developed it will be more like the flu, albeit with different symptoms. 

there are plenty of treatments available to treat the flu

which is why the recovery rate is 99.7%

 

obsession on "cases" and apopoletic reactions are strictly political theater

 

[spartacus]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

The 2015 study on cloth masks. 

Transmission with masks.

 

 

2017 study:

</snip>

 

This systematic review and meta-analysis quantified the protective effect of facemasks and respirators against respiratory infections among healthcare workers. Compared to masks, N95 respirators conferred superior protection against CRI (RR = 0.47; 95% CI: 0.36–0.62) and laboratory-confirmed bacterial (RR = 0.46; 95% CI: 0.34–0.62), **but not viral infections or ILI**.

 

Disposable, cotton, or paper masks are not recommended.

 

The confirmed effectiveness of medical masks is crucially important for lower-resource and emergency settings lacking access to N95 respirators. In such cases, single-use medical masks are preferable to cloth masks, for which there is no evidence of protection and which might facilitate transmission of pathogens when used repeatedly without adequate sterilization.

 

</snip>

 

Follow the real science

Physics mandates that micro-particles smaller than .27 microns can not be stopped by mask material with  stopping power in excess of .5 microns

extra bonus is that masks and gaiters free up whatever virus was in moisture droplets into an airborn airesol

 

 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

39 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

That Alex Berenson comment is so profoundly stupid that it's difficult to know where to begin.

Imagine we were talking about AIDS/HIV and condoms instead of COVID-19 and masks.

 

A has unprotected sex with B.

A has protected sex with C. 

A tests HIV+

 

Under Berenson's (il)logic, the CDC recommendation to B and C should be as follows:
"B should avoid having sex with others until he tests negative after 30 days."

"C should feel free to engage in sex with others right away since, after all, A was using a condom."

 

That is how stupid this argument is. No one -- no one! -- is arguing that masks of any type are 100% effective against COVID-19 transmission, just as everyone -- everyone! -- understands that condoms are not a foolproof way of avoiding HIV transmission.

 

Please don't take your public health advice from fools.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 3, 2020 by The Frankish Reich

[BullBuchanan]

28 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

The WHO still thinks all 6 billion left will get it?  Lol

 

Casedemic 

 

Rigged election 

 

Biggest scam in the history of mankind 

This is why we rank in last place in the developed world in education.

18 minutes ago, spartacus said:

 

Follow the real science

Physics mandates that micro-particles smaller than .27 microns can not be stopped by mask material with  stopping power in excess of .5 microns

extra bonus is that masks and gaiters free up whatever virus was in moisture droplets into an airborn airesol

 

 

 

 

You've completely missed the point, congratulations.

[Deranged Rhino]

[fansince88]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm sure there are at least some African Americans born here who have moved to Africa or are doing missionary work there.

Yes but would they be American African Americans?

[Doc Brown]

30 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

Yes but would they be American African Americans?

Pry African Americans in Africa.  We're splitting hairs here.

[fansince88]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Pry African Americans in Africa.  We're splitting hairs here.

ahhhhhh. yup. Thats what I meant.

 

[Reality Check]

 

[Luka]

17 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

That Alex Berenson comment is so profoundly stupid that it's difficult to know where to begin.

Imagine we were talking about AIDS/HIV and condoms instead of COVID-19 and masks.

 

A has unprotected sex with B.

A has protected sex with C. 

A tests HIV+

 

Under Berenson's (il)logic, the CDC recommendation to B and C should be as follows:
"B should avoid having sex with others until he tests negative after 30 days."

"C should feel free to engage in sex with others right away since, after all, A was using a condom."

 

That is how stupid this argument is. No one -- no one! -- is arguing that masks of any type are 100% effective against COVID-19 transmission, just as everyone -- everyone! -- understands that condoms are not a foolproof way of avoiding HIV transmission.

 

Please don't take your public health advice from fools.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The masks are virtue signaling. That's all they are. Under Cuomo's current regulations, COVID is non transferable once you sit down at a table in a restaurant. In that situation, the only person that could give you COVID is the filthy peasant serving you, in which case the peasant must wear a mask at all times, along with the ones in the kitchen, even though it was proven a month or so into the pandemic that it was not transferable through food.

https://www.cdc.gov/condomeffectiveness/latex.html#STD

 

"Laboratory studies have demonstrated that latex condoms provide an essentially impermeable barrier to particles the size of STD pathogens."

 

"Laboratory studies have demonstrated that latex condoms provide an essentially impermeable barrier to particles the size of HIV."

 

Your post is hyperbole. And completely false. When use properly, condoms actually work, where as masks, when used properly, do next to nothing to stop the spread of COVID.

[BillStime]

 

[Luka]

12 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

 

But was it his own actions? Or the actions of those around him? I know at my job at least, everyone's gotten comfortable because we are around each other every day. Problem with that is you don't know what everyone else is doing when they aren't at work. You can only assume they aren't needlessly putting themselves at risk of exposure.

[TBBills]

2 minutes ago, Luka said:

 

But was it his own actions? Or the actions of those around him? I know at my job at least, everyone's gotten comfortable because we are around each other every day. Problem with that is you don't know what everyone else is doing when they aren't at work. You can only assume they aren't needlessly putting themselves at risk of exposure.

Our president loves to assume things...

[Luka]

2 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Our president loves to assume things...

 

Uh... ok?

 

At any rate, we as a country are going to have to have a conversation about sick leave from work. One of the big cultural issues we have that caused this to spread rapidly is demanding people work unless they are near death or dead. It's so ingrained in us that we feel like we are letting down the place we work for if we don't show up. I don't know how you change that but hopefully we start to see it move to the forefront when it comes to preventing this type of thing from happening again.

[BillStime]

44 minutes ago, Luka said:

 

Uh... ok?

 

At any rate, we as a country are going to have to have a conversation about sick leave from work. One of the big cultural issues we have that caused this to spread rapidly is demanding people work unless they are near death or dead. It's so ingrained in us that we feel like we are letting down the place we work for if we don't show up. I don't know how you change that but hopefully we start to see it move to the forefront when it comes to preventing this type of thing from happening again.

A competent and honest administration who would confront this from the start and take it seriously will go a long way. 
 

 

[Chef Jim]

48 minutes ago, Luka said:

 

Uh... ok?

 

At any rate, we as a country are going to have to have a conversation about sick leave from work. One of the big cultural issues we have that caused this to spread rapidly is demanding people work unless they are near death or dead. It's so ingrained in us that we feel like we are letting down the place we work for if we don't show up. I don't know how you change that but hopefully we start to see it move to the forefront when it comes to preventing this type of thing from happening again.

I feel we have to have a serious conversation about health and aging in this country.  What is the common theme with many that have died?   Comorbidity is a huge problem.  Eat a ***** salad and get some exercise for God’s sake.