The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[SoCal Deek]

33 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

This could go on for another 12 to 18 months 

 

If that hasn't sunk in for everyone I dont know what to tell you.  And all that this will mean for society, the economy, and education.

Wrong! This whole thing magically goes away the day the Media drags Biden's sorry butt over the finish line.  It is really sad what's  happened to this country. The swamp has drained out into every aspect, and isn't going away without pulling the entire system down with it.

[shoshin]

Austin considering putting in place shelter in place rules because hospitalizations are so high. 

 

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/austin-coronavirus-hospitalizations-stage-5/269-f7c8ddb7-1e67-4451-8a8f-f1066b2af8ec

 

This would be the backslide into shutdowns that people said would not happen. I sure hope Texas gets on top of things and doesn't need to do this.

 

 

One encouraging stat (if you can look at it taht way) is that cases haven't continued to rise and seem level. 

 

Do we get a prize at 1000 pages?

Edited July 9, 2020 by shoshin

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

Austin considering putting in place shelter in place rules because hospitalizations are so high. 

 

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/austin-coronavirus-hospitalizations-stage-5/269-f7c8ddb7-1e67-4451-8a8f-f1066b2af8ec

 

This would be the backslide into shutdowns that people said would not happen. I sure hope Texas gets on top of things and doesn't need to do this.

 

 

One encouraging stat (if you can look at it taht way) is that cases haven't continued to rise and seem level. 

 

Do we get a prize at 1000 pages?

 

Thanks shoshin everything you  do and post here. Thank you for solid info and other stuff. 

[IDBillzFan]

18 hours ago, Magox said:

As far as I’m concerned this is guerilla warfare and it has to be fought every step of the way. 

 

Do you honestly believe it's a fight that can be won?

 

I don't see it. What we're going to see is what the media is driving: the scary COVID numbers borne through increased testing will shut everyone down again. People will be out of work. Unemployment jumps. Economy schitts the bed. They blame all of it on Trump. Biden wins, Dems take House and Senate, and America spends the next four years lunging toward the socialist state, while defunding police, until people are too afraid to do anything other than lay low and stay home.

 

So I hate to admit, but the biggest bullhorn wins this, and the left owns the biggest bullhorn. The country is burnt toast. It's time to fend for yourself and hope you live long enought to get to see the looks on the leftists faces when they realize they've turned the US into Venezuela.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Do you honestly believe it's a fight that can be won?

 

I don't see it. What we're going to see is what the media is driving: the scary COVID numbers borne through increased testing will shut everyone down again. People will be out of work. Unemployment jumps. Economy schitts the bed. They blame all of it on Trump. Biden wins, Dems take House and Senate, and America spends the next four years lunging toward the socialist state, while defunding police, until people are too afraid to do anything other than lay low and stay home.

 

So I hate to admit, but the biggest bullhorn wins this, and the left owns the biggest bullhorn. The country is burnt toast. It's time to fend for yourself and hope you live long enought to get to see the looks on the leftists faces when they realize they've turned the US into Venezuela.

 

Or, have an escape plan.

 

[Gene Frenkle]

19 hours ago, Dante said:

There are lots of options. Besides the usual world ending climate change,. Or maybe Muslims/Isis?  They may opt to reopen hostilities with the North Korean. If that doesn't satisfy them its possibly Putin? Hillary was doing her best to get something going with the Russians before Trump derailed that plan.

 

Have we seen a single death from Kung Flu yet? Anything conclusive?

[shoshin]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Thanks shoshin everything you  do and post here. Thank you for solid info and other stuff. 

1000 pages post number 1! You win. 
 

There are a few people posting good info in the thread. A lot more noise than signal but at least some signal gets through. 

[Unforgiven]

8 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Do you honestly believe it's a fight that can be won?

 

I don't see it. What we're going to see is what the media is driving: the scary COVID numbers borne through increased testing will shut everyone down again. People will be out of work. Unemployment jumps. Economy schitts the bed. They blame all of it on Trump. Biden wins, Dems take House and Senate, and America spends the next four years lunging toward the socialist state, while defunding police, until people are too afraid to do anything other than lay low and stay home.

 

So I hate to admit, but the biggest bullhorn wins this, and the left owns the biggest bullhorn. The country is burnt toast. It's time to fend for yourself and hope you live long enought to get to see the looks on the leftists faces when they realize they've turned the US into Venezuela.

What the irony will be is all these weak people and corporations thinking they are protecting themselves by bending over

for these animals, will be among the first to get the flame thrower.

[BillStime]

Trumps killing it

 

 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Just now, BillStime said:

Trumps killing it

 

 

 

Louisiana is the first state to have a second spike with as many cases (Actually more at this point) as it's first spike.

[bilzfancy]

18 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Do you honestly believe it's a fight that can be won?

 

I don't see it. What we're going to see is what the media is driving: the scary COVID numbers borne through increased testing will shut everyone down again. People will be out of work. Unemployment jumps. Economy schitts the bed. They blame all of it on Trump. Biden wins, Dems take House and Senate, and America spends the next four years lunging toward the socialist state, while defunding police, until people are too afraid to do anything other than lay low and stay home.

 

So I hate to admit, but the biggest bullhorn wins this, and the left owns the biggest bullhorn. The country is burnt toast. It's time to fend for yourself and hope you live long enought to get to see the looks on the leftists faces when they realize they've turned the US into Venezuela.

I'm so glad I'm in the last years of my life, in 5-10 years, America will be unrecognizable, I do feel bad for mine and everyone else's grandkids. The "mob" may not win this year, but they will soon enough, and America as we know it will be toast, I hope to God, I'm wrong but the way things are going I won't be

[Gary M]

2 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Do you honestly believe it's a fight that can be won?

 

I don't see it. What we're going to see is what the media is driving: the scary COVID numbers borne through increased testing will shut everyone down again. People will be out of work. Unemployment jumps. Economy schitts the bed. They blame all of it on Trump. Biden wins, Dems take House and Senate, and America spends the next four years lunging toward the socialist state, while defunding police, until people are too afraid to do anything other than lay low and stay home.

 

So I hate to admit, but the biggest bullhorn wins this, and the left owns the biggest bullhorn. The country is burnt toast. It's time to fend for yourself and hope you live long enought to get to see the looks on the leftists faces when they realize they've turned the US into Venezuela.

 

I think Trump wins in a landslide, the curtain has been pulled back and the dems have been exposed for the socialist/marxists that they are.

 

They allowed the riots and destruction, they killed grandmas, and violated our trust with the extended shutdowns.

 

That is not what most Americans want. 6.5 million background checks Jan 01, 2020 til April 30 2020, those are new Trump voters, because the old trump voters already had their "arsenals".

 

1 hour ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Louisiana is the first state to have a second spike with as many cases (Actually more at this point) as it's first spike.

 

How many are asymptomatic or testing positive for antibodies?

 

How many hospitalizations/deaths, or are we not talking about that?

 

Just throwing out the big numbers from all the testing to incite panic.

 

a percentage  of the population has to get corona to reach HIT (herd immunity threshold) which is estimated at 20-40% is anyone tracking that number?

 

Lets go with 30% that means 98,400,000 Americans have to test positive before we are at the HIT. With 3.2 million testing positive we are at 3.2%

 

Edited July 9, 2020 by Gary M

[keepthefaith]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Trumps killing it

 

 

 

This only matters if you see the virus as a threat.  It's not a threat to anyone but the old/sick/obese.  They were caught off guard early on and that's unfortunate. 

 

Those people can choose to protect themselves for now.  The rest of us have nothing to fear.  Spread among low risk people is a plus, the more the better.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

I think Trump wins in a landslide, the curtain has been pulled back and the dems have been exposed for the socialist/marxists that they are.

 

They allowed the riots and destruction, they killed grandmas, and violated our trust with the extended shutdowns.

 

That is not what most Americans want. 6.5 million background checks Jan 01, 2020 til April 30 2020, those are new Trump voters, because the old trump voters already had their "arsenals".

 

 

How many are asymptomatic or testing positive for antibodies?

 

How many hospitalizations/deaths, or are we not talking about that?

 

Just throwing out the big numbers from all the testing to incite panic.

 

a percentage  of the population has to get corona to reach HIT (herd immunity threshold) which is estimated at 20-40% is anyone tracking that number?

 

 

...perfect question.....we have two different employees each of which have a college age student.....both were to have electives surgeries, but they were obviously delayed.....now they have been rescheduled for before they return to school.....as a surgical precursor, both had to be Covid-19 tested and BOTH came back positive.....asymptomatic pre and subsequent post test......they never would have known if not for the surgical precursor.....wonder how many more are in the SAME boat with the number of elective surgeries delayed nationwide?...yet they would be BOTH included in the MSM's numbers hype because of political capital IMO......

[123719bwiqrb]

15 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

I think Trump wins in a landslide, the curtain has been pulled back and the dems have been exposed for the socialist/marxists that they are.

 

They allowed the riots and destruction, they killed grandmas, and violated our trust with the extended shutdowns.

 

That is not what most Americans want. 6.5 million background checks Jan 01, 2020 til April 30 2020, those are new Trump voters, because the old trump voters already had their "arsenals".

 

 

How many are asymptomatic or testing positive for antibodies?

 

How many hospitalizations/deaths, or are we not talking about that?

 

Just throwing out the big numbers from all the testing to incite panic.

 

a percentage  of the population has to get corona to reach HIT (herd immunity threshold) which is estimated at 20-40% is anyone tracking that number?

 

Lets go with 30% that means 98,400,000 Americans have to test positive before we are at the HIT. With 3.2 million testing positive we are at 3.2%

 

MSM squelched the herd immunity idea. Same as Auschwitz now.

[shoshin]

22 minutes ago, Gary M said:

 

 

How many hospitalizations/deaths, or are we not talking about that?

 

RE hospitals, lots in FL, TX, AZ at the moment. 

 

Quote

 

Just throwing out the big numbers from all the testing to incite panic.

 

a percentage  of the population has to get corona to reach HIT (herd immunity threshold) which is estimated at 20-40% is anyone tracking that number?

 

Lets go with 30% that means 98,400,000 Americans have to test positive before we are at the HIT. With 3.2 million testing positive we are at 3.2%

 

 

No one knows any of those numbers or how long the antibodies are effective. I'd love to think we have a good herd immunity going but I have not seen any conclusive data to back that up. 

 

***

To B-Gal RE NJ, it's back into it's "normal" range today so maybe the last two days were some kind of data dump.

 

 

We could get the 7 day average back to what it was a month ago in just a few more days. A quicker turn than I would have thought would happen. 

Edited July 9, 2020 by shoshin

[Chef Jim]

Well so much for visiting my mother on her 95th birthday.  ???

 

https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-travel-advisory

 

 

[Magox]

2 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Do you honestly believe it's a fight that can be won?

 

I don't see it. What we're going to see is what the media is driving: the scary COVID numbers borne through increased testing will shut everyone down again. People will be out of work. Unemployment jumps. Economy schitts the bed. They blame all of it on Trump. Biden wins, Dems take House and Senate, and America spends the next four years lunging toward the socialist state, while defunding police, until people are too afraid to do anything other than lay low and stay home.

 

So I hate to admit, but the biggest bullhorn wins this, and the left owns the biggest bullhorn. The country is burnt toast. It's time to fend for yourself and hope you live long enought to get to see the looks on the leftists faces when they realize they've turned the US into Venezuela.

 

I get this. I do believe that the landscape has shifted dramatically over the past month and that the radicals are in charge or have heavy influence of the media, corporate boardrooms, academia, Hollywood, Big Tech and other entities.   The mask is off, and there is no more pretense of objectivity from these institutions.  The left has the control and they will continue to maintain control for the foreseeable future.  This isn't some short-term trend or blip, this is a development that is going to shape the American way for quite some time and we are in the opening stages of this.  Which is why I referenced guerilla warfare, which is a form of battle from smaller insurgencies against larger forces.   

 

The saving grace are the courts.  But  Biden's handlers will ramrod him into packing the courts, and if the left wins the Senate by at least a couple seats, then they're gonna do it.   I am absolutely convinced that this is the next step.

 

If people don't believe that they will then they haven't been paying attention.  They want power and they will see the courts as the last impediment to getting that power.  They will make Puerto Rico and DC a state, they will make sure that they rig the system so that they continue to win elections.    

 

When politicians always say "This is the most important elections of our life time", I always roll my eyes.  

 

BUT, This literally is the most important election of my life time.  There is so much at stake and even though Trump is such a goofy guy who can't properly articulate the risks, he can at least stop some of the madness from a legislative standpoint helping buy some time to defeat these Maoist radicals.

 

The true key to stopping these radicals is to have a national program to begin flooding the school systems and universities with educators who aren't ideologically bent.  Because right now the Universities have become a factory that produces these authoritative Marxists.  These Maoist/Marxists are littering positions of influence and we are seeing that play out today.  It has to be stopped at its roots.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Magox

[Big Blitz]

Almost half these deaths are in the 4 hot spot States over the last month.  Still nowhere near NY/NJ in April.  

 

Its 500 deaths for the other 46 states.  

 

I'm totally buying the 15-20% infected needed to hit herd immunity.  

 

 

 

[Taro T]

9 hours ago, Gary M said:

 

• New York City contact tracers have been instructed not to ask New Yorkers if they've attended any protests, The City reported

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/nyc-contact-tracers-not-asking-people-attend-george-floyd-protest-2020-6?amp&fbclid=IwAR0sAfNqYJWelJDqsJYdvr8EV32AwgI5MmjV1XtofUSQDlBppmHqQPEsS80

 

Thought it was in this thread, but that was reported at least 2 weeks ago if not more like a month ago.  Can't prove protests lead to anything but sunshine & kittens if nobody can find out if anyone was actually at a protest.  (It's science.)

[Big Blitz]

This is insane.  Yea we're done here...

 

 

[Magox]

57 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

I'm totally buying the 15-20% infected needed to hit herd immunity.  

 

I’m a subscriber to this theory.  That other coronavirus’s and flus have helped build up some level of immunity to COVID, not a complete level but partial immunity to a significant portion of the population and when you add a heavy hit area of around 20%+ that there is a herd immunity sort of effect.  The rationale makes sense and when you couple that with the fact that every major area that was hit with this sort heavy COVID infection rate hasn’t even whiffed any second wave, it points to this possibility seemingly the more likely scenario.

 

Miami, L.A, Dallas, Phoenix and Houston will soon “burn out”.  But they will have to reach at a minimum of 15% before it begins to taper off.

 

I don’t believe we will see as many COVID infections in November or December as people fear.   Most of the major cities under this theory that I believe is increasingly likely would have already burnt out by then.

[123719bwiqrb]

3 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

I’m a subscriber to this theory.  That other coronavirus’s and flus have helped build up some level of immunity to COVID, not a complete level but partial immunity to a significant portion of the population and when you add a heavy hit area of around 20%+ that there is a herd immunity sort of effect.  The rationale makes sense and when you couple that with the fact that every major area that was hit with this sort heavy COVID infection rate hasn’t even whiffed any second wave, it points to this possibility seemingly the more likely scenario.

 

Miami, L.A, Dallas, Phoenix and Houston will soon “burn out”.  But they will have to reach at a minimum of 15% before it begins to taper off.

 

I don’t believe we will see as many COVID infections in November or December as people fear.   Most of the major cities under this theory that I believe is increasingly likely would have already burnt out by then.

@shoshin will tell you this is unfounded Trumpian wishful thinking.  

[Gene Frenkle]

2 hours ago, keepthefaith said:

 

This only matters if you see the virus as a threat.  It's not a threat to anyone but the old/sick/obese.  They were caught off guard early on and that's unfortunate. 

 

Those people can choose to protect themselves for now.  The rest of us have nothing to fear.  Spread among low risk people is a plus, the more the better.

 

That's like half the country.

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, 123719bwiqrb said:

@shoshin will tell you this is unfounded Trumpian wishful thinking.  

 

Nope. 

[Magox]

1 hour ago, 123719bwiqrb said:

@shoshin will tell you this is unfounded Trumpian wishful thinking.  

 

People are nearly fully out in New York City, Italy, France, Belgium, Sweden and the U.K. and they were all hard hit and they seem to have hit that “burn out” level and are showing no signs of increased infections. 
 

Same goes for Boston, New Jersey and Connecticut.  The infections have plummeted and no signs of re-emerging.

 

The places that are most risk of increased infections are the places that haven’t burnt out and ironically the hottest temperatures. 

 

 

[BillStime]

 

[KD in CA]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

This is insane.  Yea we're done here...

 

 

 

What a ridiculous load of crap.  The TDS is so strong these people would literally rather see soaring death rates than have to admit the worst may be over.

 

 

p.s.   Wouldn't it be wonderful if we hunted down and publicly executed every person who ever used the word "weaponize" in a political context.

[Big Blitz]

We are being played.  

 

 

[KD in CA]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

We are being played.  

 

 

 

DeBlahblahblah is minting new Trump voters in the states that matter every time he opens his mouth.

[Big Blitz]

The precedents being set right now are so beyond alarming.  Every flu season you're going to hear about new strains.  And panic!  Imagine if Twitter was as prominent in 2009 as it is now.  And Trump was president....obviously 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

The precedents being set right now are so beyond alarming.  Every flu season you're going to hear about new strains.  And panic!  Imagine if Twitter was as prominent in 2009 as it is now.  And Trump was president....obviously 

 

 

It spares the young but they can be carriers.  I can't take seriously somebody that compares 135,000 deaths and rising within four months to 12,469 deaths over a year.

[BillStime]

 

 

Edited July 10, 2020 by BillStime

[fansince88]

50 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

How about those that dont care if they are gunned down by BLM rioters?

Edited July 10, 2020 by fansince88

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

How about those that dont care if they are gunned down by BLM rioters?

Kinda like that Unite the Right guy who plowed over that woman?

 

Dont worry bro - you won’t be replaced! 

[fansince88]

2 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Kinda like that Unite the Right guy who plowed over that woman?

 

Dont worry bro - you won’t be replaced! 

In the highway?

Edit: My bad, you mean from 2017. The White Supremacist Neo-Nazi guy? He aint me bro.

Second Edit: why you dodging the original question bro?

Edited July 10, 2020 by fansince88

[WEATHER DOT COM]

5 hours ago, Gary M said:

 

I think Trump wins in a landslide, the curtain has been pulled back and the dems have been exposed for the socialist/marxists that they are.

 

They allowed the riots and destruction, they killed grandmas, and violated our trust with the extended shutdowns.

 

That is not what most Americans want. 6.5 million background checks Jan 01, 2020 til April 30 2020, those are new Trump voters, because the old trump voters already had their "arsenals".

 

 

How many are asymptomatic or testing positive for antibodies?

 

How many hospitalizations/deaths, or are we not talking about that?

 

Just throwing out the big numbers from all the testing to incite panic.

 

a percentage  of the population has to get corona to reach HIT (herd immunity threshold) which is estimated at 20-40% is anyone tracking that number?

 

Lets go with 30% that means 98,400,000 Americans have to test positive before we are at the HIT. With 3.2 million testing positive we are at 3.2%

 

 

I think scientists agree herd immunity for covid would be in the 65-75% range for exposures to the virus.

 

As to hospitalizations and deaths in LA, their hospitalizations are climbing, and as we have seen, deaths are a lagging indicator so get back to me in a month.

 

I just find it interesting they are the first state to "respike."

 

 

[Taraka]

 

[realtruelove]

"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering." "The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear." "Nothing in life is to be feared.

[BillStime]

30 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

In the highway?

Edit: My bad, you mean from 2017. The White Supremacist Neo-Nazi guy? He aint me bro.

Second Edit: why you dodging the original question bro?

Yeah ok bro. You’re a mess.