The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Kemp said:

I used to try and engage him, but every time he is backed up into an illogical stance, he lashes out with ad hominem attacks.

 

False -- you can't just NOT lie, can you. 

 

You tried to DOXX me. And failed at that because you're not very bright. 

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

Signature @Deranged Rhino - always building credibility belittling others... And one who fails to acknowledge his own hypocrisy - DAILY.

 

Meanwhile - who is actually in court trying to hide his DNA over an actual RAPE case?

 

E. Jean Carroll, who says Donald Trump raped her, seeks his DNA

 

E. Jean Carroll slams Kayleigh McEnany’s dismissal of Trump assault allegations

 

 

 

Covid?

[Boatdrinks]

13 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

I guess we will find out.

Yep. Ramp up hospital capacity ( similar to before) and adjust it upward if needed. We previously had thousands of hospital beds waiting for Covid patients that never arrived. The modeling has been way off, and I’m skeptical that such a disparity can be attributed to lockdowns. Florida Governor was told he would need upward of 450,000 beds and they actually needed closer to 2,000. Capacity will determine everything going forward and it’s where the focus should be. We cannot afford another lockdown, so all resources should go into the health system. 

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

Covid?

 

They're not here to stay on topic. They're not here to add to the conversation. 

 

They're here to derail it. Because they're bad actors.

[dpberr]

6 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Pretty interesting stuff. There was some TB vaccine discussion earlier in the covid news cycle about how they still give some of those vaccines in Japan, India and some parts of Asia that are getting underaffected right now.

 

He praises the Gates Foundation's work, which is credit where credit is due. I will keep echoing this because there's a strange thing going on here about Gates.

 

He downplays the significance of Remdesivir in this fight so far and utterly dismissed HCQ as pure anecdotal and has no acceptance among research scientists.

I think the big movie twist is the Gates foundation, along with some US universities are deeply involved with the Wuhan lab and riding shotgun on pressuring the WHO.

 

I think he's personally deep on this. I don't think the Chinese knew the depths of the research in Wuhan until the accident but I'll bet Gates did. 

 

He found a willing partner to push the limits in research and it backfired.

[billsfan1959]

18 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

You'll find it's a tiny bit more palatable here if you ignore him. Remember that he is to be pitied because a political section of a Buffalo Bills chat room is where he spends all of his time.

 

He enjoys it because he can feel like a big shot because the even dumber ones look up to him. In his mind, this makes him a star of sorts.

 

I used to try and engage him, but every time he is backed up into an illogical stance, he lashes out with ad hominem attacks. This is why I no longer hesitate to expose him.

 

All he does is post links from other fools. He is merely an aggregator of the collective stupid.

 

He sits all day, every day, just linking and talking down to those that are smarter and/or more intellectually honest.

 

Remember also that you are arguing with Trump supporters who maintaun that Biden is a sexual predator while backing Trump. These are not the brightest bulbs.

 

These same people are championing a man who wonders if injecting bleach into the human body in order to clean one's lungs. 

 

They might be pretty stupid, but if they ever went to a doctor who suggested this as a possibility most would never go back to that doctor.  Sadly, some might follow his advice, as was demonstrably shown when hundreds called authorities to ask if it's a good idea. 

 

I drop by here every once in a while to poke them with sticks, because it's sometimes fun to watch the frothing anger and stupidity pour out.

 

It's sort of ironic. Conservatives have always maintained a stance of law and order. Now, they support armed insurrection on government property. They used to claim they were the fiscally responsible ones. How has the deficit fared under their hero?

 

Most importantly,  we are arguing with cult members. Logic is irrelevant. They have created a new concept called alternative facts.

 

This is the small scummy pond where DR thinks he is the king, much like his hero fancies himself a king. He is to be pitied, not engaged

 

Why are you so angry?

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

49 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I just recently moved from the beach -- so I thought, "at least I don't have to hear that ***** all day". But nope, starting at 9am in my new neighborhood there are two choppers doing continuous passes over the hiking trails on the mountains now. Lovely. 

 

 

 

Wow. I'm iffy on beaches. Just see both ways.  

 

Anyways the sun vitamin D really helps out. Heard lack of vitamin D helps little bit with this virus and lots people in USA lack it. Vitamin D from the sun really helps the body out. People should be more outside rather inside. But in a safe way.

[Warren Zevon]

56 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

Get out there and PROTEST!

 

FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS RHINO

[snafu]

20 hours ago, Kemp said:

https://local.theonion.com/man-just-buying-one-of-every-cleaning-product-in-case-t-1842493766

 

This is truly an honest question:  why did you post this article?

You posted the link and no context.  I'm wondering why you posted this.

 

 

[Albwan]

30 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

They're not here to stay on topic. They're not here to add to the conversation. 

 

They're here to derail it. Because they're bad actors.

foot soldiers for a brave new world

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, snafu said:

 

This is truly an honest question:  why did you post this article?

You posted the link and no context.  I'm wondering why you posted this.

 

 

 

This is truly an honest question:  who posts context with an Onion article? Or a Babylon Bee one? If you don't get the satire, move along!

[B-Man]

 

 MIT study: Subways a ‘major disseminator’ of coronavirus in NYC.

 

 

 

 

[snafu]

3 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

This is truly an honest question:  who posts context with an Onion article? Or a Babylon Bee one? If you don't get the satire, move along!

 

I didn't ask you.

Did I?

 

 

 

[keepthefaith]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

Wow. I'm iffy on beaches. Just see both ways.  

 

Anyways the sun vitamin D really helps out. Heard lack of vitamin D helps little bit with this virus and lots people in USA lack it. Vitamin D from the sun really helps the body out. People should be more outside rather inside. But in a safe way.

 

Yes and for those of us that are in ***** climates indoors a lot take a vitamin D supplement.  It's a fat stored vitamin so once you build it up it will stay with you for a while with a little ongoing supplementation.  Even run of the mill family docs believe in the value of healthy vitamin D levels.

[Buffalo_Gal]

38 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Pretty interesting stuff. There was some TB vaccine discussion earlier in the covid news cycle about how they still give some of those vaccines in Japan, India and some parts of Asia that are getting underaffected right now.

 

He praises the Gates Foundation's work, which is credit where credit is due. I will keep echoing this because there's a strange thing going on here about Gates.

 

He downplays the significance of Remdesivir in this fight so far and utterly dismissed HCQ as pure anecdotal and has no acceptance among research scientists.

 

27 minutes ago, dpberr said:

I think the big movie twist is the Gates foundation, along with some US universities are deeply involved with the Wuhan lab and riding shotgun on pressuring the WHO.

 

I think he's personally deep on this. I don't think the Chinese knew the depths of the research in Wuhan until the accident but I'll bet Gates did. 

 

He found a willing partner to push the limits in research and it backfired.

Yeah, the Bill Gates praise put me off. Nevertheless, it was interesting to hear how many different paths were being taken in a search for a vaccine.

 

 

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, snafu said:

 

I didn't ask you.

Did I?

 

 

 

 

Every PPP member knows there is only 1 liberal with 42687 different accounts here. C'mon!

[Buffalo_Gal]

23 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Why are you so angry?

Why doesn’t everyone have him on ignore? 
 

 

[Azalin]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Why doesn’t everyone have him on ignore? 
 

 

 

I ask myself that every day. 

[snafu]

3 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

Every PPP member knows there is only 1 liberal with 42687 different accounts here. C'mon!

 

Oh, sorry, my punctuation was wrong.  How's this: I didn't ask you, did I?

As in, I asked an honest question in an honest way and didn't ask it to you.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 4, 2020 by snafu

[Chef Jim]

17 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

???

You don’t even know what I do 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Why doesn’t everyone have him on ignore? 

 

Well, from a psychological perspective, he is a target rich environment -  it is like having our very own case study of mental illness.

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

Well, from a psychological perspective, he is a target rich environment -  it is like having our very own case study of mental illness.

If I wanted to study the mentally ill, I’d have become a psychologist. ?
 

As it is, these goobers contribute nothing, derail every conversation, and are emboldened with the engagement. 

 

I understand it is funny to engage these #######s, until it isn’t. 

 

 

[Foxx]

3 hours ago, shoshin said:

 

I see minimal harm in trying HCQ, but I ain't listenin to that quack. 

 

you're an idiot.

[B-Man]

Guess ‘The Resistance’ really wasn’t all that interested in resisting.

Well, ok, they were super stoked about ‘resisting’ as a means to demand a bunch of free crap. But when actual rights started getting taken away ‘to keep Americans safe’ or whatever they totally disappeared and those old fuddie-duddies who support the Constitution came out to fight for them.

 

Ain’t that how it always goes?

Tim Young said it best:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nobel Prize-winning scientist shares COVID-19 data showing strict lockdowns were an overreaction. 

“…the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor.”

 

 

 

 

[meazza]

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/ny-times-reports-trump-admin-privately-projecting-3000-daily-deaths-by-june-white-house-disputes/

 

Is Nate Silver now a right winger?

 

Projecting ~200K new detected cases each day **by the end of the month** from a current baseline of ~30K is also a LOT, even with quite pessimistic assumptions. I would encourage some caution with taking these at face value.

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) May 4, 2020]

[PelotonBillsFan]

3,000 deaths a day projected as states reopen. 

 

https://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/status/1257338563634528256?s=21

[billsfan1959]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Nobel Prize-winning scientist shares COVID-19 data showing strict lockdowns were an overreaction. 

“…the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor.”

 

This will make some posters' heads explode...

[Magox]

3 minutes ago, meazza said:

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/ny-times-reports-trump-admin-privately-projecting-3000-daily-deaths-by-june-white-house-disputes/

 

Is Nate Silver now a right winger?

 

 

 

 

 

If you read on Nate Silver's timeline, he doesn't outright say it, but I even think he believes the lock downs and the hysteria revolving it is too much.

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, shoshin said:

May 1 CDC Report model projecting death rates to increase by the end of June. You'll note that this model has been historically projecting fewer deaths than actual--this is being reported as projecting 3000 deaths per day by June 1.

 

 

First, they overestimate the deaths.  Then they underestimate the deaths.  The IMHE model I believe they're using fell outside the 95% confidence interval 70% of the time when projecting number of deaths in individual states.  That's a horrible model.  Why are they still using it when setting policy?

[B-Man]

2 minutes ago, PelotonBillsFan said:

3,000 deaths a day projected as states reopen. 

 

https://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/status/1257338563634528256?s=21

 

 

Nice 1st post.

 

I assume you mean this.

 

 

 

 

Those projections are wrong...........................by a fantastic amount.

 

Some people (the usual suspects) do NOT want the country opening back up.

 

They must not prevail.

 

 

.

[PelotonBillsFan]

Just now, B-Man said:

 

 

Nice 1st post.

 

I assume you mean this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for correcting.

 

[Warren Zevon]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Nice 1st post.

 

I assume you mean this.

 

 

 

 

Those projections are wrong...........................by a fantastic amount.

 

Some people (the usual suspects) do NOT want the country opening back up.

 

They must not prevail.

 

 

.

 

As long as Nanky tells us there are only 11 deaths per day we're good

[BuffaloHokie13]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

First, they overestimate the deaths.  Then they underestimate the deaths.  The IMHE model I believe they're using fell outside the 95% confidence interval 70% of the time when projecting number of deaths in individual states.  That's a horrible model.  Why are they still using it when setting policy?

You're talking about a group that, to this day, recommends using internet explorer instead of modern browsers if their sites don't work properly. 

I'd just like to add that even Microsoft has given up on internet explorer at this point. That's why they pushed Edge so hard.

[Magox]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

First, they overestimate the deaths.  Then they underestimate the deaths.  The IMHE model I believe they're using fell outside the 95% confidence interval 70% of the time when projecting number of deaths in individual states.  That's a horrible model.  Why are they still using it when setting policy?

 

 

This is what I was saying and as I was telling @shoshin I think it would be awfully naive to believe in these models considering they have been wrong every step of the way.  I mean, I won't make a clear proclamation on this because I do have some questions that need to be hashed out but my gut tells me that this won't be the case and not only do I believe it won't be the case but I believe it will be considerably off.    But again, I don't have a good grasp of what the total death count will be.  I wish I would have made a projection earlier on but if I had, I probably would have predicted about 100k Deaths by June 1st.  

 

If you are to extrapolate this chart it would indicate about 150k deaths by June 1st.   

 

This chart projects a sharp increase in deaths beginning around May 15th, which means that they believe that the actions that are now taking place in Georgia and other states are causing the increase.   That just doesn't make sense to me at all, the states that have loosened their restrictions are not going to create that sort of an increase, especially when you consider that New York/New Jersey/Michigan/Connecticut/Massachusetts are all beginning their down slide, the downslide should more than offset any sort of negligible increase if any.  

 

Again, I'm not going to stake a firm position on this and usually I'm not afraid to do that but as of right this moment, on the surface this doesn't make any sense at all to me.

12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

First, they overestimate the deaths.  Then they underestimate the deaths.  The IMHE model I believe they're using fell outside the 95% confidence interval 70% of the time when projecting number of deaths in individual states.  That's a horrible model.  Why are they still using it when setting policy?

 

Btw @Doc Brown are you a lefty or a moderate sort of swing voter?   

[Foxx]

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTqipTcwxyA&feature=emb_logo

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

First, they overestimate the deaths.  Then they underestimate the deaths.  The IMHE model I believe they're using fell outside the 95% confidence interval 70% of the time when projecting number of deaths in individual states.  That's a horrible model.  Why are they still using it when setting policy?

 

To be fair noone has the model accurate. 

 

48 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

Yeah, the Bill Gates praise put me off. Nevertheless, it was interesting to hear how many different paths were being taken in a search for a vaccine.

 

 

 

Unsure vaccine can work. Still many unknowns with this virus yet to be discovered. Rather have it safe rather than bad and unknown.

Edited May 4, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

Awe  - you big snowflake.

 

A handful of demonstrators equates all liberals.  Nice assumption cupcake...

 

Based on your logic - I have no choice but to assume all Trumpholes Unite the Right, right?

 

 

 

 

I painted with a broad brush which is wrong.  I hate when people do that and I broke my own rule.  However you asked for examples of Liberal Hate and I provided it.  I'm still waiting for your examples to back up your claims:

 

1. That the 716 is one of the poorest areas in America

2.  Thousands show up at Trumps cult rallies with racist, white supremacist or Nazi regalia & hand signs.  

[LB3]

The timing of this CDC report is interesting given how many states are about to open up. Color me skeptical.

[Warren Zevon]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

1. That the 716 is one of the poorest areas in America

 

Not sure about the "716," but in 2007 Buffalo was the 3rd poorest city with a population over 250k in the US. Housing is cheap as hell (still) in the area, too.

[Magox]

I've reconsidered.   These CDC projections are full of ***** and won't come close to happening.  Surprised @shoshin you are backing this horse.    

 

It makes no sense at all that this will be correct or even anything approaching it.