The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Buffalo_Gal]

Press asking about the immigration order.
Trump: If they are under court order, they need to go to court. The people that are already here legally are not supposed to be under a greater risk of deportation. (buncha press questions, this is my synopsis)

Trump is doing this as protecting American worker's jobs.

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

Press: Hair salons, nail salons, tattoo parlors when can they reopen?
Dr. Birx: Based on a community by community opening.  If they can social distance, they can do those thing. I have no idea how they can do those, but people are very creative.
This was about Georgia, but her answer was much more generic.

 

Shesh, Trump said the parade idea "when all this is over" is a great idea because the healthcare workers deserve it  (how over is over?)

Edited April 21, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Boatdrinks]

On 4/20/2020 at 2:27 PM, jrober38 said:

 

I can't.

 

One side says stay home for another 4-8 weeks and numerous lives will be saved.

 

The other wants to put lives in danger because they're bored.

 

Once people are dead they're dead. This is literally life and death for a lot of people, like yourself. 

Your assumptions about this have no basis in reality. They’re based on a false choice, a false hope. Lockdowns and staying home another 4-8 weeks isn’t likely to save many if any lives. It will simply change the date of illness and probably of death. Not only are we not building herd immunity while shuttered indoors, but we’re tanking the economy even further into the abyss. We won’t be any meaningful measure safer from Covid 19 in two to three months than we are now. Coronavirus is now part of our overall landscape, whether or not you want to admit it to yourself. Yes, more people are going to die from this. There won’t be a vaccine anytime soon; perhaps not ever. Treatments will eventually emerge, but the economy isn’t designed to shut down for an extended period of time, nor is government set up to continually pay it’s citizenry to be idle. No, Covid19 will now just have to be factored into our daily risk tolerance. Some may stay holed up in a cave for years or whatever, but most will eventually say they’d rather go on with their lives and do what they wish. There were large gatherings and sports events, theaters and bars in previous eras where the risk of disease and death were far greater. Indeed, life expectancy was much shorter largely due to disease. 

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, North Buffalo said:

The last two paragraphs I agree with and the hospital tents built by that national guards were and a god send.  The mask issue and stock pile issues caught everyone... The need for ventilators and medical supplies was not an Obama care deal... It goes much further back to Clinton and Bush and the way our healthcare is distributed and regulated.  Streamlining and cutting costs have been disjointed at best while healthcare become big business and serving best only those areas with money.

Sure it was but laying blame on WHO when our medical professional knew better and were telling Trump otherwise and yet he wasnt publically reacting was a bigger problem.

So, there was no tax on medical devices and equipment included in the ACA? 

 

Do you have a link that shows who the medical professionals were that knew in early January that human to human transmission was possible?

 

What is your opinion regarding China keeping quiet not only about the human to human transmissions but the virus itself until they had hoarded a shitload of PPE's? How about shutting down flights inside China but letting people fly all over the world? 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Press: Virus escaped from a lab, who told you that?
Trump: I can't tell you that! Something about US intelligence. What kind of a question is that? They told me plenty.  (he was definitely exasperated)

 

Trump wants the golf courses open. Not a shocker. This was being asked about the Trump properties,... he said "my children run them."

Edited April 21, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

 

It's complicated.   There are a number of different entities that are conducting these tests.  Each entity has their own challenges.  Many people like @shoshin get confused and seem to believe that all these locations are facing the same issues.

 

Don't do Internet nonsense. You know that's not what I said. 

 

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  It's a lot more complex than that and some entities are able to meet demand better than other entities for a variety of reasons.  It could be due to lack of chemicals, swabs, lack of coordination to direct people to the appropriate locations or in Quest Diagnostics' situation too much demand which created backlogs.  

 

And, that PCPs are telling people not to get tested to protect the patients and HCWs, which happens every day because the health care system is bogged down. You keep not responding to this point that I keep making. The biggest reason not every symptomatic person is getting tested now is because people are not going to get it done for the many reasons I've mentioned at least 4 times.

 

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It's a huge undertaking and there are a lot of moving parts and the local, state and federal government or for that matter all the medical, hospital and labs never had to deal with something as massive as this and try to have it resolved in such a short time period.  But they do seem to be making marked progress on a daily basis.   And for me that's encouraging.

 

This I agree with. But given the number of cases out there, we will probably never be swabbing every sick person. Once we have the serological tests, PCPs will tell every symptomatic person to get tested. 

Edited April 21, 2020 by shoshin

[Buffalo_Gal]

The press is really on fire with the stupid today! Repetitive, dumb, and attempting gotchyas.  SMH.

 

[3rdnlng]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Dr Hahn (FDA) up:
FDA was asked to remove all unnecessary barriers by Trump, the FDA did that. (So, if they are unnecessary, why have them?)
Two types of antibody tests. They are beginning to understand them for detection at different points of the infection.
Discussing the test validation for the new tests that have been coming out since March.
The FDA still expects the developers to validate their tests.
Working with CDC to validate the 90 manufacturers (independent validation). They are not playing... they are going after anyone saying a test has been approved when it has not.

Press: How many of these tests actually work?
Hahn: Self validation and they must label that. Expect to have more results on the FDA validation.

Press: Wanting to beat up on hydroxychloroquine again.
Hahn: Doctor needs to consider the prescription. The one study the press mentioned was small. And, the preliminary date says hydroxychloroquine has been helpful.
All trials are in progress. It will be early summer before those trials are finished.

Press: Va study, that more people died on hydroxychloroquine than off it.
Trump: We will take a look at it.

 

Asked a buncha stuff, including about NK.
Trump: I wish him well.

LMAO
It was CNN that came out with the report, and when CNN comes out with it, I don't put too much credence in it.

 

One would think that only the more seriously ill are being given HCQ. The people that are not seriously ill or have no symptoms to be included in this equation is ludicrous. 

[keepthefaith]

4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Your assumptions about this have no basis in reality. They’re based on a false choice, a false hope. Lockdowns and staying home another 4-8 weeks isn’t likely to save many if any lives. It will simply change the date of illness and probably of death. Not only are we not building herd immunity while shuttered indoors, but we’re tanking the economy even further into the abyss. We won’t be any meaningful measure safer from Covid 19 in two to three months than we are now. Coronavirus is now part of our overall landscape, whether or not you want to admit it to yourself. Yes, more people are going to die from this. There won’t be a vaccine anytime soon; perhaps not ever. Treatments will eventually emerge, but the economy isn’t designed to shut down for an extended period of time, nor is government set up to continually pay it’s citizenry to be idle. No, Covid19 will now just have to be factored into our daily risk tolerance. Some may stay holed up in a cave for years or whatever, but most will eventually say they’d rather go on with their lives and do what they wish. There were large gatherings and sports events, theaters and bars in previous eras where the risk of disease and death were far greater. Indeed, life expectancy was much shorter largely due to disease. 

 

I'm coming around to this.  Compared to 2 months ago we as citizens know a lot more about this virus including the symptoms, preventative measures and risks.  It's time we resume more normal activity while following some preventative guidelines and let individuals decide for themselves what they do and don't want to do.  Those at greater risk or who are more risk averse can protect themselves as they wish.  

 

One potential problem with this however is the potential for liability to be heaped upon employers or other organizations if the sick decide to become plaintiffs. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

OAN Press: USA Today poll, 80% of Americans are supportive of the immigration ban.
Trump: He's always so happy when OAN lobs up a softball after dealing with the piranha in the room.

And that's all for tonight folks!

 

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

I'm coming around to this.  Compared to 2 months ago we as citizens know a lot more about this virus including the symptoms, preventative measures and risks.  It's time we resume more normal activity while following some preventative guidelines and let individuals decide for themselves what they do and don't want to do.  Those at greater risk or who are more risk averse can protect themselves as they wish.  

 

One potential problem with this however is the potential for liability to be heaped upon employers or other organizations if the sick decide to become plaintiffs. 

It’s a potentional problem, yes. However, one would have to prove that accepted guidelines weren’t being followed. It will also be difficult to prove just where someone became infected. In short, no one has a legal right not to become sick through random chance, or to be infected by someone who didn’t even know they had an illness. I’m sure lawyers will have a field day finding people to blame for someone else’s bad luck. 

[Party Before Country]

I thank God we have Donald J Trump leading us through this.

 

He's the man to lead us through this crisis.

Could you just imagine the confusion and uncertainty that we'd have if those Dems were in charge?

He's done everything perfectly!

[meazza]

1 minute ago, Party Before Country said:

I thank God we have Donald J Trump leading us through this.

 

He's the man to lead us through this crisis.

Could you just imagine the confusion and uncertainty that we'd have if those Dems were in charge?

He's done everything perfectly!

 

Another troll.

[Party Before Country]

Just now, meazza said:

 

Another troll.

Just because you don't like him?

Typical.

[meazza]

Just now, Party Before Country said:

Just because you don't like him?

Typical.

 

Just because of your alias.

[Taro T]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Buried in this thread is a tweet from one of the ventilator manufacturers (back in February or early March). He laid out exactly why everyone who manufactured ventilators in the US closed up shop except for his family-owned company, and one other company. He stated the taxes on Obamacare made it very difficult for ventilators to be made in the United States. He may have been lying (not sure why he would be), but as the guy whose factory was one of two building them... tough to disregard what he said.

 

 

It isn't / wasn't just ventilators that got reduced to 2 suppliers.  Obamacare did that to ALL medical suppliers - 2 winners for wheelchairs, ventilators, etc.  That was a feature, not a bug.  At least that was how it was explained when it was implemented.

 

Don't have the details on it (because it wasn't my primary business & was ~10 years ago), but a client of mine advised companies on how to prepare for the Obamacare bidding.  He used to tell horror stories of how multigenerational manufacturers were going to get forced to close due to not being big enough to be 1 of those final 2 suppliers.  Recall @Magox was up on the ACA when it passed.  Maybe he has clearer details on that.

[GG]

1 minute ago, Taro T said:

 

It isn't / wasn't just ventilators that got reduced to 2 suppliers.  Obamacare did that to ALL medical suppliers - 2 winners for wheelchairs, ventilators, etc.  That was a feature, not a bug.  At least that was how it was explained when it was implemented.

 

Don't have the details on it (because it wasn't my primary business & was ~10 years ago), but a client of mine advised companies on how to prepare for the Obamacare bidding.  He used to tell horror stories of how multigenerational manufacturers were going to get forced to close due to not being big enough to be 1 of those final 2 suppliers.  Recall @Magox was up on the ACA when it passed.  Maybe he has clearer details on that.

 

Forward!!

[Party Before Country]

He's been right about everything so far.

 

The numbers that the governors gave him were WRONG.  He was RIGHT.

The virus numbers are DOWN!  Time to open UP the economy!

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, Party Before Country said:

I thank God we have Donald J Trump leading us through this.

 

He's the man to lead us through this crisis.

Could you just imagine the confusion and uncertainty that we'd have if those Dems were in charge?

He's done everything perfectly!

It is a good thing, for sure. If a Dem was in power, we’d have a new green deal or whatever , more public transportation to spread Covid19 like wildfire, free money to stay out of work for another year or more , no airlines , food lines and maybe reparations too. 

[Party Before Country]

3 minutes ago, meazza said:

 

Just because of your alias.

It's just the name of a good song.  Don't read into it so much.

[Troll Toll]

Thanks so much @Buffalo_Gal for posting the briefing notes every day! I don’t always get to catch them because of work and you really do a tremendous job filling me in!

[Kemp]

8 minutes ago, Party Before Country said:

He's been right about everything so far.

 

The numbers that the governors gave him were WRONG.  He was RIGHT.

The virus numbers are DOWN!  Time to open UP the economy!

 

Was he right when he said there were 5 cases but the number would just go back to zero?

 

If so, boy am I relieved. All these stories about Americans dying must be bull from the Lamestream media.

[Albwan]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Brett Braier is in the press room for Fox today instead of Roberts. Expect a terrible question to follow from him. 

So many bads on fox news. Chris Wallace and Juan Williams are the lead bads, followed by a bunch of screechy harpies.

Brett is definitely on the dem downlow

Edited April 21, 2020 by Albwan

[3rdnlng]

21 minutes ago, Party Before Country said:

It's just the name of a good song.  Don't read into it so much.

If you plan on posting here that screen name will cause you all kinds of grief. Of course if you are a democrat it lets people know how you really feel. 

[Foxx]

52 minutes ago, meazza said:

 

Another troll.

i'm going to start a thread and title it, 'Kid's Table'. that way all the sock puppets can go there and have their fun.

[daz28]

On 4/20/2020 at 9:08 AM, 3rdnlng said:

That's on par with asking how a hot fudge sundae and a pothole are connected. Dumbass.

You call me a dumbass, because you think that illegal immigration, the wall, and overstaying a visa are as connected as potholes and hot fudge sundaes??  You might want to look up the definition of dumbass again, and how it may relate to yourself.  

 

 

 

To quote the great Ed Bassmasters, "would ya just look at that":

 

NIH recommends against combining hydroxychloroquine with Z-Pak to treat COVID-19

 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/494012-nih-recommends-against-combining-hydroxychloroquine-with-z-pak-to-treat

 

 

 

COVID-19 treatment hydroxychloroquine showed no benefit, more deaths in VA virus study

 

https://www.foxnews.com/science/covid-19-hydroxychloroquine-showed-no-benefit-more-deaths-va-virus-study

Edited April 22, 2020 by daz28

[/dev/null]

5 minutes ago, daz28 said:

NIH recommends against combining hydroxychloroquine with Z-Pak to treat COVID-19

 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/494012-nih-recommends-against-combining-hydroxychloroquine-with-z-pak-to-treat

 

Wasn't Z-Pak killed in a drive by 20 years ago?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, North Buffalo said:

The last two paragraphs I agree with and the hospital tents built by that national guards were and a god send.  The mask issue and stock pile issues caught everyone... The need for ventilators and medical supplies was not an Obama care deal... It goes much further back to Clinton and Bush and the way our healthcare is distributed and regulated.  Streamlining and cutting costs have been disjointed at best while healthcare become big business and serving best only those areas with money.

Sure it was but laying blame on WHO when our medical professional knew better and were telling Trump otherwise and yet he wasnt publically reacting was a bigger problem.

I’ve said this before on a variety of topics.  The government leaks like a sieve, the major news outlets trip over themselves to push the latest anonymous leak like its gospel, only to see it fizzle out and die.  That said...there were no hero’s of the medical community spilling secrets about the wave of death about to come?  60 minutes....CNN......The WaPo all were on the wrong side of this issue?  There were no sources  screaming out to the American people or requesting admittance to a congressional committee?  No brave whistleblower to defeat the empirical tyrant who cares not for the people?  
 

China, the WORLD Health Organization and the connected mainstream media conspired to &$#@  the American people.   I’m not even certain the MSM did so intentionally, I think generally speaking unfettered ideology leaves them blind to many issues they might otherwise see. 
 

This much is obvious:  Trump is the imperfect and stunningly unlikely hero of the American people yet again. I always laugh when he says “People are saying they never thought it could be done...they’ve never seen anything like it!”.  All true. 

Edited April 22, 2020 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[Doc Brown]

New single day high in deaths although it may be lagged reporting from weekend.  I'm hoping this is the plateau. 

 

 

[Troll Toll]

38 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

Wasn't Z-Pak killed in a drive by 20 years ago?

Did he? I thought he had an absentee vote for Hillary in the last election.

[daz28]

22 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

New single day high in deaths although it may be lagged reporting from weekend.  I'm hoping this is the plateau. 

 

 

Who needs charts when you have Trump:

 

It peaked around Easter  :  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-coronavirus-to-peak-around-easter-slams-pelosi-criticism-in-fox-friends-interview

 

We passed the peak on April 15th:   https://video.foxnews.com/v/6149725289001#sp=show-clips

[shoshin]

50 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

New single day high in deaths although it may be lagged reporting from weekend.  I'm hoping this is the plateau. 

 

 

 

We should open but man should we be careful about it. 3000 deaths/day in an open economy even with precautions seems like it would be almost a certainty, especially come the colder weather. I hope that we have some treatments by then.   

[Boatdrinks]

7 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

We should open but man should we be careful about it. 3000 deaths/day in an open economy even with precautions seems like it would be almost a certainty, especially come the colder weather. I hope that we have some treatments by then.   

It appears the number of actual cases/ infections are extremely underreported. The death numbers are even more skewed by NYC and NJ , where the fatalities are much higher than other regions. People are going to continue to take precautions, so I don’t think that number of deaths is anywhere near a certainty. Hopefully there are effective treatments long before a vaccine. 

[daz28]

5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

It appears the number of actual cases/ infections are extremely underreported. The death numbers are even more skewed by NYC and NJ , where the fatalities are much higher than other regions. People are going to continue to take precautions, so I don’t think that number of deaths is anywhere near a certainty. Hopefully there are effective treatments long before a vaccine. 

Pneumonia is hard to treat, and with rona it can go from bad to worse real fast.  I'm hoping for testing that will at least take those infected out of the equation as much and as fast as possible.  No one knows much right now, so we can only hope to mitigate it as much as possible.  Like shoshin said, cold weather could elevate this to another level, so all possible measures had better be in place by then.

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, Troll Toll said:

Thanks so much @Buffalo_Gal for posting the briefing notes every day! I don’t always get to catch them because of work and you really do a tremendous job filling me in!

I don’t get much time to read her notes but I did I’d much rather read her notes than listen to Donny Boy. 

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Your assumptions about this have no basis in reality. They’re based on a false choice, a false hope. Lockdowns and staying home another 4-8 weeks isn’t likely to save many if any lives. It will simply change the date of illness and probably of death. Not only are we not building herd immunity while shuttered indoors, but we’re tanking the economy even further into the abyss. We won’t be any meaningful measure safer from Covid 19 in two to three months than we are now. Coronavirus is now part of our overall landscape, whether or not you want to admit it to yourself. Yes, more people are going to die from this. There won’t be a vaccine anytime soon; perhaps not ever. Treatments will eventually emerge, but the economy isn’t designed to shut down for an extended period of time, nor is government set up to continually pay it’s citizenry to be idle. No, Covid19 will now just have to be factored into our daily risk tolerance. Some may stay holed up in a cave for years or whatever, but most will eventually say they’d rather go on with their lives and do what they wish. There were large gatherings and sports events, theaters and bars in previous eras where the risk of disease and death were far greater. Indeed, life expectancy was much shorter largely due to disease. 

 

Are you a doctor? An infectious disease expert? A scientist of any kind?

 

Why is it that all the experts disagree with your careless piss-in-the-wind attitude?

 

This pandemic is really exposing how disturbing and misguided the populist movement as a whole really is with its wild mistrust of "elites" and "experts" and "science," and the constant and grating cherry-picking populists do to demonstrate why ALL of it is bad.

 

Just because your Meteorologist told you it would be a sunny day and it's raining doesn't mean no one should believe their weather man.

 

Pretty clearly, we need the elites, the experts, and the scientists. They know what they're doing and have earned these titles typically through years of experience and wisdom that you simply don't have, unless you answered yes to any of the questions above.

 

So go back to playing Go-fish or Jenga and let the experts provide guidance on how to open the Country.

 

Or just move to Georgia.

 

The Governor there sounds like your kinda guy. You can go back out to movies and the gym again and even get a haircut. Who cares what those experts say, right?

 

 

 

Some of you are going to be absolutely pulling your testicle hair out in the next handful of years as the country incorporates more progressive policies, which is almost an inevitability at this point once Trump is voted out of office in November. And looks more and more likely it'll be a blue Senate, too.

 

But no, you don't just carelessly throw lives away the way some of you want. Amazing that's been the push from Faux News and its allies in conservative media.

 

Just a well-oiled stupid machine over there.

[snafu]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/de-blasios-social-distancing-tip-line-flooded-with-obscenities/

 

 

[daz28]

10 minutes ago, snafu said:

https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/de-blasios-social-distancing-tip-line-flooded-with-obscenities/

 

 

Reporting someone stealing a car: ok

Reporting someone selling heroin: ok

Reporting someone playing loud music at midnight: ok

Reporting someone fudging their taxes: ok

Reporting someone driving drunk who hit a child: ok

Reporting someone spreading a deadly virus: SNITCH!

 

[snafu]

8 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Reporting someone stealing a car: ok

Reporting someone selling heroin: ok

Reporting someone playing loud music at midnight: ok

Reporting someone fudging their taxes: ok

Reporting someone driving drunk who hit a child: ok

Reporting someone spreading a deadly virus: SNITCH!

 

 

Yes, I just reported seeing these guys at Gristedes. Look at that cloud of covid they’re  kicking up!

 

 

 

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by snafu

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Are you a doctor? An infectious disease expert? A scientist of any kind?

 

Why is it that all the experts disagree with your careless piss-in-the-wind attitude?

 

This pandemic is really exposing how disturbing and misguided the populist movement as a whole really is with its wild mistrust of "elites" and "experts" and "science," and the constant and grating cherry-picking populists do to demonstrate why ALL of it is bad.

 

Just because your Meteorologist told you it would be a sunny day and it's raining doesn't mean no one should believe their weather man.

 

Pretty clearly, we need the elites, the experts, and the scientists. They know what they're doing and have earned these titles typically through years of experience and wisdom that you simply don't have, unless you answered yes to any of the questions above.

 

So go back to playing Go-fish or Jenga and let the experts provide guidance on how to open the Country.

 

Or just move to Georgia.

 

The Governor there sounds like your kinda guy. You can go back out to movies and the gym again and even get a haircut. Who cares what those experts say, right?

 

 

 

Some of you are going to be absolutely pulling your testicle hair out in the next handful of years as the country incorporates more progressive policies, which is almost an inevitability at this point once Trump is voted out of office in November. And looks more and more likely it'll be a blue Senate, too.

 

But no, you don't just carelessly throw lives away the way some of you want. Amazing that's been the push from Faux News and its allies in conservative media.

 

Just a well-oiled stupid machine over there.

Are you a doctor or scientist ? Infectious disease expert, Mr Transplant Jengafish? Scientists and Medical experts are just that; they’re not economists. Those are two different things. Just what medical experts say that Coronavirus is going away any time soon ? That an effective vaccine is imminent ? And what “ progressive policies” are you referring to? Mass transit to spread disease? Less people working and more on Government assistance , to go with less freedom ?  What did people do in America when there were no vaccines for a lot of diseases ? Fortunately for all of us ( yes, even “ progressives”) our previous generations were not going to live in fear and let the government limit their daily lives. Trump will be re-elected in November, but don’t worry. You’ll still be free to hide under a rock until you feel it’s safe to come out.