The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Boatdrinks]

13 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Reporting someone stealing a car: ok

Reporting someone selling heroin: ok

Reporting someone playing loud music at midnight: ok

Reporting someone fudging their taxes: ok

Reporting someone driving drunk who hit a child: ok

Reporting someone spreading a deadly virus: SNITCH!

 

We must assume that everyone we see or meet could be spreading a virus. Because they might be , unknowingly. Don’t fall for government schemes to restrict all of our movement by turning on each other. That’s just a Democrat scheme to take power and devolve the nation into Socialism. Consider the source: DeBlasio. This nitwit wants prison cells to have a kitchenette and individual Air Conditioning - that’s something many honest Americans in his city can’t afford for themselves. He expressed surprise that criminals he released due to Coronavirus concerns got arrested on new charges in short order. The man is a moron. 

[Boatdrinks]

4 hours ago, Kemp said:

 

Was he right when he said there were 5 cases but the number would just go back to zero?

 

If so, boy am I relieved. All these stories about Americans dying must be bull from the Lamestream media.

No, it’s real. No one knew the extent of this except China. They lied. The reported numbers are real, and President Trump talks about them daily at his press briefings. Do you believe him when he gives the updates, or do you just go with what they tell you on CNN ? 

[Boatdrinks]

2 hours ago, daz28 said:

Pneumonia is hard to treat, and with rona it can go from bad to worse real fast.  I'm hoping for testing that will at least take those infected out of the equation as much and as fast as possible.  No one knows much right now, so we can only hope to mitigate it as much as possible.  Like shoshin said, cold weather could elevate this to another level, so all possible measures had better be in place by then.

I believe we already have that type of testing. At least we do in Erie County; anyone with symptoms will be tested through their provider or through the County if they don’t have one. They must immediately quarantine once tested. They should quarantine if they even have symptoms. However , there are a lot more asymptomatic individuals that are infected and contagious. Probably many times more than the number of known cases. That’s a much more difficult issue, and I’m not sure there’s any way to do a lot about it. 

[daz28]

21 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

We must assume that everyone we see or meet could be spreading a virus. Because they might be , unknowingly. Don’t fall for government schemes to restrict all of our movement by turning on each other. That’s just a Democrat scheme to take power and devolve the nation into Socialism. Consider the source: DeBlasio. This nitwit wants prison cells to have a kitchenette and individual Air Conditioning - that’s something many honest Americans in his city can’t afford for themselves. He expressed surprise that criminals he released due to Coronavirus concerns got arrested on new charges in short order. The man is a moron. 

I'm just trying to protect myself, my friends and family and fellow humans.  One of the biggest mistakes made was saying the quarantine was to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed.  I can't imagine what would have happened without the quarantine, or how much worse the toll would have been.  I don't consider reporting someone who's being reckless as "turning on them".  If I reported the Gestapo rounding up Jews, and it stopped it, I'd consider myself a hero, not a snitch.  As for DeBlasio and the Democrat's socialist conspiracy, well I don't care about any of that nonsense. 

2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I believe we already have that type of testing. At least we do in Erie County; anyone with symptoms will be tested through their provider or through the County if they don’t have one. They must immediately quarantine once tested. They should quarantine if they even have symptoms. However , there are a lot more asymptomatic individuals that are infected and contagious. Probably many times more than the number of known cases. That’s a much more difficult issue, and I’m not sure there’s any way to do a lot about it. 

There is criterion as to whom gets tested.  There currently isn't enough testing to test all with symptoms, but to return to normal we will need to have an abundance of testing.

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, daz28 said:

I'm just trying to protect myself, my friends and family and fellow humans.  One of the biggest mistakes made was saying the quarantine was to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed.  I can't imagine what would have happened without the quarantine, or how much worse the toll would have been.  I don't consider reporting someone who's being reckless as "turning on them".  If I reported the Gestapo rounding up Jews, and it stopped it, I'd consider myself a hero, not a snitch.  As for DeBlasio and the Democrat's socialist conspiracy, well I don't care about any of that nonsense. 

There is criterion as to whom gets tested.  There currently isn't enough testing to test all with symptoms, but to return to normal we will need to have an abundance of testing.

Reckless, sure. I get that, but I’d probably say something to them personally before anything else.As for testing ,  I believe the only criterion as of two days ago in Erie County is to have symptoms. That was a change from previous criteria. You now only need to show symptoms, and they have plenty of tests according to the County Exec. 

[daz28]

7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Reckless, sure. I get that, but I’d probably say something to them personally before anything else.As for testing ,  I believe the only criterion as of two days ago in Erie County is to have symptoms. That was a change from previous criteria. You now only need to show symptoms, and they have plenty of tests according to the County Exec. 

I haven't reported anyone, and I probably won't unless it's people being really dumb. As for the test, I meant nationwide.  On my hockey forum a lot of people with symptoms didn't get a test.  I have no idea locally how many tests we have, but that's good news if we do have enough.  The bad news is that some areas will not have enough, while others have too many.  I have heard Texas has way more tests than they need.  

 

This is also a problem:

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/10/laredo-texas-coronavirus-tests-did-not-work/

Edited April 22, 2020 by daz28

[Golden Goat]

8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

New single day high in deaths although it may be lagged reporting from weekend.  I'm hoping this is the plateau. 

 

 

 

Seems like cases are under-reported on weekends. Then Monday comes and BAM. I wish I could say things are looking up, bit I just dont see it.

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by Golden Goat

[shoshin]

9 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

It appears the number of actual cases/ infections are extremely underreported. The death numbers are even more skewed by NYC and NJ , where the fatalities are much higher than other regions. People are going to continue to take precautions, so I don’t think that number of deaths is anywhere near a certainty. Hopefully there are effective treatments long before a vaccine. 

Yesterday was another new high that got in the ballpark of 3000 deaths. That’s with distancing measures in place and a healthcare system shut down so it can focus on this. And in spite of NY/NJ taking up less of the total than they have in many weeks. 
 

There appears to be a weather component but barring a serious treatment breakthrough, the fall will be worse than now. And that is a near certainty unless we have accurate serological testing, track contacts with precision, and are ready to shut down regions when they outbreak. We won’t get to will this away because we want to work, and I sure do. 
 

1 hour ago, Golden Goat said:

 

Seems like cases are under-reported on weekends. Then Monday comes and BAM. I wish I could say things are looking up, bit I just dont see it.

 

This is real but the cases don’t drop off a lot. We are in the midst of a leveling out at 2000-2500 per day. No sign of decline on deaths yet. 

Edited April 22, 2020 by shoshin

[fansince88]

8 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

I don’t get much time to read her notes but I did I’d much rather read her notes than listen to Donny Boy. 

So you dont read her notes and you dont listen to Don soooooo.....you are informed how? A different third party reporting? Better to hear the whole story from the source no?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Are you a doctor? An infectious disease expert? A scientist of any kind?

 

Why is it that all the experts disagree with your careless piss-in-the-wind attitude?

 

This pandemic is really exposing how disturbing and misguided the populist movement as a whole really is with its wild mistrust of "elites" and "experts" and "science," and the constant and grating cherry-picking populists do to demonstrate why ALL of it is bad.

 

Just because your Meteorologist told you it would be a sunny day and it's raining doesn't mean no one should believe their weather man.

 

Pretty clearly, we need the elites, the experts, and the scientists. They know what they're doing and have earned these titles typically through years of experience and wisdom that you simply don't have, unless you answered yes to any of the questions above.

 

So go back to playing Go-fish or Jenga and let the experts provide guidance on how to open the Country.

 

Or just move to Georgia.

 

The Governor there sounds like your kinda guy. You can go back out to movies and the gym again and even get a haircut. Who cares what those experts say, right?

 

 

 

Some of you are going to be absolutely pulling your testicle hair out in the next handful of years as the country incorporates more progressive policies, which is almost an inevitability at this point once Trump is voted out of office in November. And looks more and more likely it'll be a blue Senate, too.

 

But no, you don't just carelessly throw lives away the way some of you want. Amazing that's been the push from Faux News and its allies in conservative media.

 

Just a well-oiled stupid machine over there.

 

[billsfan1959]

7 hours ago, daz28 said:

I'm just trying to protect myself, my friends and family and fellow humans.  One of the biggest mistakes made was saying the quarantine was to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed.  I can't imagine what would have happened without the quarantine, or how much worse the toll would have been.  I don't consider reporting someone who's being reckless as "turning on them".  If I reported the Gestapo rounding up Jews, and it stopped it, I'd consider myself a hero, not a snitch.  As for DeBlasio and the Democrat's socialist conspiracy, well I don't care about any of that nonsense. 

There is criterion as to whom gets tested.  There currently isn't enough testing to test all with symptoms, but to return to normal we will need to have an abundance of testing.

 

Because someone violating social distancing is the same as the torture and murder of millions of people under a deliberate, systematic genocide

[Tiberius]

 

CDC director warns second wave of coronavirus is likely to be even more devastating

 

Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, testifies about coronavirus preparedness to the House Government Oversight and Reform Committee in March. (Joshua Roberts/Reuters)

By 

Lena H. Sun 

April 21, 2020 at 6:41 p.m. EDT

Even as states move ahead with plans to reopen their economies, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned Tuesday that a second wave of the novel coronavirus will be far more dire because it is likely to coincide with the start of flu season.

“There’s a possibility that the assault of the virus on our nation next winter will actually be even more difficult than the one we just went through,” CDC Director Robert Redfield said in an interview with The Washington Post. “And when I’ve said this to others, they kind of put their head back, they don’t understand what I mean.”

“We’re going to have the flu epidemic and the coronavirus epidemic at the same time,” he said.

 

Having two simultaneous respiratory outbreaks would put unimaginable strain on the health-care system, he said. The first wave of covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, has already killed more than 42,000 people across the country. It has overwhelmed hospitals and revealed gaping shortages in test kits, ventilators and protective equipment for health-care workers.

 

Seasonality, explained: What warm weather could mean for the novel coronavirus

 

 

President Trump has said warm weather could slow the spread of the novel coronavirus, but experts explain it's too early to know if the virus is seasonal. (John Farrell, Elyse Samuels/The Washington Post)

In a wide-ranging interview, Redfield said federal and state officials need to use the coming months to prepare for what lies ahead. As stay-at-home orders are lifted, officials need to stress the continued importance of social distancing, he said. They also need to massively scale up their ability to identify the infected through testing and find everyone they interact with through contact tracing. Doing so prevents new cases from becoming larger outbreaks.

Asked about protests against stay-at-home orders and calls on states to be “liberated” from restrictions, Redfield said: “It’s not helpful.” The president himself has tweeted encouragements of such protests, urging followers to “LIBERATE MINNESOTA!” and “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!”

 

 

Redfield said that he, along with other members of the White House coronavirus task force, have emphasized the importance of social distancing “and the enormous impact that it’s had on this outbreak in our nation.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/21/coronavirus-secondwave-cdcdirector/

[daz28]

4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Because someone violating social distancing is the same as the torture and murder of millions of people under a deliberate, systematic genocide

It is similar to letting the invisible enemy infect millions of people with a deadly virus.  The fact that it's not deliberate makes it all the more stupid.  

[Joe Miner]

1 minute ago, daz28 said:

It is similar to letting the invisible enemy infect millions of people with a deadly virus.  The fact that it's not deliberate makes it all the more stupid.  

 

This seems correct.  I remember reading about the Gestapo's 1% fatality rate.

[daz28]

Just now, Joe Miner said:

 

This seems correct.  I remember reading about the Gestapo's 1% fatality rate.

Did you forget about all of the rest of them(and their loved ones) that suffered, or only worry about the ones who died?

[billsfan1959]

Just now, daz28 said:

It is similar to letting the invisible enemy infect millions of people with a deadly virus.  The fact that it's not deliberate makes it all the more stupid.  

 

No, it is not. Someone violating social distancing is not similar in any way to intentional ethnic cleansing and the wholesale slaughter of millions of people.

[daz28]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

No, it is not. Someone violating social distancing is not similar in any way to intentional ethnic cleansing and the wholesale slaughter of millions of people.

Tell that to the Spanish flu.

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, daz28 said:

Tell that to the Spanish flu.

 

[SoCal Deek]

I don’t understand the importance or the controversy around the CDC Director’s comments. He doesn’t tell people not to go back into society. All he says is that unless there’s a miraculous cure, the Covid 19 virus, like the common flu, will be back in the Fall. So?

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

I don’t understand the importance or the controversy around the CDC Director’s comments. He doesn’t tell people not to go back into society. All he says is that unless there’s a miraculous cure, the Covid 19 virus, like the common flu, will be back in the Fall. So?

 

“And when I’ve said this to others, they kind of put their head back, they don’t understand what I mean.”

 

Looks like he hit the nail on the head with you.

[daz28]

3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Things a Nazi might say for $100, Chuck

 

If you report a drunk driver who has a 1 in 10,000 chance of causing an accident you're a responsible citizen.  You report a group who's breaking social distancing that could literally harm thousands, and you're a liberty hating snitch.  At least try to make sense. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

“And when I’ve said this to others, they kind of put their head back, they don’t understand what I mean.”

 

Looks like he hit the nail on the head with you.

I guess so Warren, but does anyone find it shocking that the Director of the Center for DISEASE CONTROL would make statements that lean towards disease control! I don’t. On the contrary, I’ve been more upset at Fauchi’s late February comments that ‘all is well’. Again....why is this news worthy?

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

I guess so Warren, but does anyone find it shocking that the Director of the Center for DISEASE CONTROL would make statements that lean towards disease control! I don’t. On the contrary, I’ve been more upset at Fauchi’s late February comments that ‘all is well’. Again....why is this news worthy?

 

Unfortunately you don't have the brain capacity to understand what he means.

[shoshin]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I guess so Warren, but does anyone find it shocking that the Director of the Center for DISEASE CONTROL would make statements that lean towards disease control! I don’t. On the contrary, I’ve been more upset at Fauchi’s late February comments that ‘all is well’. Again....why is this news worthy?

 

No h in Fauci FYI. 

 

It's newsworthy because there is so little talk about it. It's been clear that this first 70-100,000 deaths and hospital overrun is just an initial small wave (small because it started at zero cases, small because we shut down, and small probably because the south already had some warm weather coming to the rescue), so it's worth understanding what is coming in the fall lineup. Barring treatment leaps and big changes to the way we act, it ain't gonna be pretty. 

Edited April 22, 2020 by shoshin

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Warren Zevon said:

 

Unfortunately you don't have the brain capacity to understand what he means.

Lighten up this morning Warren. But please....tell me what you think he means.

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Lighten up this morning Warren. But please....tell me what you think he means.

 

I'm not going to help you with your homework

[daz28]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

No h in Fauci FYI. 

 

I think it's newsworthy because there is so little talk about it. It's been clear that this is just an initial small wave (small because it started at zero cases and small because we shut down), so I think it's worth understanding what is coming in the fall lineup. Barring treatment leaps and big changes to the way we act, it ain't gonna be pretty. 

We had better pray it doesn't take the same path as Spanish flu did in the fall.

[Warren Zevon]

Will there be an NFL draft in 2021 if there is no football in 2020?

[shoshin]

Just now, daz28 said:

We had better pray it doesn't take the same path as Spanish flu did in the fall.

 

Of course this is what is going to happen barring treatment breakthroughs. It's not even that controversial. We will start in the fall with thousands of cases still floating around spread across lots of geographies, instead of just a few located in few places. 

[daz28]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

Of course this is what is going to happen barring treatment breakthroughs. It's not even that controversial. We will start in the fall with thousands of cases still floating around spread across lots of geographies, instead of just a few located in few places. 

"Nobody could have seen this coming"

[billsfan1959]

15 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Things a Nazi might say for $100, Chuck

 

If you report a drunk driver who has a 1 in 10,000 chance of causing an accident you're a responsible citizen.  You report a group who's breaking social distancing that could literally harm thousands, and you're a liberty hating snitch.  At least try to make sense. 

 

You seem to have some sort of fascination with Nazis. Yet, by comparing someone who violates social distancing with the wholesale extermination of Jews, you seem to have absolutely no understanding of what transpired under the Nazi regime in regard to the intentional terrorization, torture, and murder of millions of people.

 

Maybe you should read a history book or two....

 

 

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by billsfan1959

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

No h in Fauci FYI. 

 

It's newsworthy because there is so little talk about it. It's been clear that this first 70-100,000 deaths and hospital overrun is just an initial small wave (small because it started at zero cases and small because we shut down), so it's worth understanding what is coming in the fall lineup. Barring treatment leaps and big changes to the way we act, it ain't gonna be pretty. 

Thanks, and understood, but the reporting on these comments has been to stir up controversy surrounding them. I, on the other hand, liken his comments to the fire department telling people to clear brush from around their property in preparation for the upcoming fire season. Or for those in the east coast, to winterize your house. I think the man is just doing his job. Again, where’s the big story? Where’s the controversy? Just sounds like good advise to me.

[daz28]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

You seem to have some sort of fascination with Nazis. Yet, by comparing someone who violates social distancing with the wholesale extermination of Jews, you seem to have absolutely no understanding of what transpired under the Nazi regime in regard to the intentional terrorization, torture, and murder of millions of people.

 

Maybe you should read a history book or two....

 

Let it go Felicia.  The point is that I'm mocking the people who compare someone reporting anything is a freedom hating Nazi.

[GG]

8 hours ago, daz28 said:

 If I reported the Gestapo rounding up Jews, and it stopped it, I'd consider myself a hero, not a snitch.  

 

Who were you going to report Gestapo's actions to?  To the German government?

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, fansince88 said:

So you dont read her notes and you dont listen to Don soooooo.....you are informed how? A different third party reporting? Better to hear the whole story from the source no?

I’m not. You know a person can actually live their life without hanging on every bit of information regarding this *****. I work 12 hour days now done have time for it and guess what?  I’m still alive. ? 

[Magox]

Sweden appears to be heading towards herd immunity.

 

Quote

 

A new coronavirus test of blood taken from blood donors in Stockholm shows that at least 11 out of 100 had developed antibodies, with the real figure believed to be higher. The research, which is still at an early stage, is being carried out by the Karolinska Institute and Karolinska University Hospital, the local media reported.

The test is only 70-80% sensitive; according to the researchers there will be no false positives, but there may be false negatives, that is people who test negative despite having had the coronavirus.

"You cannot draw conclusions about the exact percentages, but we know that those 11% have had (the coronavirus). It is not enough for a research report, but too important to keep under wraps," clinical microbiologist Jan Albert told broadcaster SVT. The test is set to be rolled out to more people on Tuesday.

 

 

 

They aren't there yet and there would still need to be lots more infections for that to happen but as of right now their medical systems have not been overrun so that each patient can't get the care they need, at least from the reports I have read.     

 

The new cases are beginning to flatten but the deaths are beginning to go up, as the deaths are a lagging indicator.  So I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to tighten up even more if the pressure mounts.

[daz28]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Who were you going to report Gestapo's actions to?  To the German government?

To the people(via media), but unfortunately the government would have just called it fake news.  Also, a good portion of the country was behind the stupidity.

[billsfan1959]

12 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Let it go Felicia.  The point is that I'm mocking the people who compare someone reporting anything is a freedom hating Nazi.

 

No the point is, when you compare someone violating social distancing to what the Nazis did to the Jews, you are insulting the memories of the victims that were singled out, tortured, terrorized, and murdered under that brutal regime.

 

Do us a favor, why don't you contact a holocaust survivor and ask him / her if they feel the same way when they see someone violating social distancing as they did when they saw a Nazi.....

 

If you find one that agrees with you I will apologize.

 

Until then, why don't you just STFU about a topic of which you clearly are ignorant

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by billsfan1959

[GG]

Just now, daz28 said:

To the people(via media), but unfortunately the government would have just called it fake news.  Also, a good portion of the country was behind the stupidity.

 

So you don't even see the irony that you would be reporting the actions of one arm of the government to another part of the government that sanctioned those actions in the first place? 

 

You know what else the Nazis did?  They set up the equivalent of a hotline to report the Jews to the Gestapo.  Not the other way around.

 

In your example, who is acting more like the Nazi government?

[daz28]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

No the point is, when you compare someone violating social distancing to what the Nazis did to the Jews, you are insulting to the memories of the victims that were singled out, tortured, terrorized, and murdered under that brutal regime.

 

Do us a favor, why don't you contact a holocaust survivor and ask him / her if they feel the same way when they see someone violating social distancing as they did when they saw a Nazi.....

 

If you find one that agrees with you I will apologize.

 

Until then, why don't you just STFU about a topic of which you clearly are ignorant

That's your take on it.  Let's wait and see how many real holocaust survivors stop by and feel I was being insulting.  If a few do, I will apologize. 

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

So you don't even see the irony that you would be reporting the actions of one arm of the government to another part of the government that sanctioned those actions in the first place? 

 

You know what else the Nazis did?  They set up the equivalent of a hotline to report the Jews to the Gestapo.  Not the other way around.

 

In your example, who is acting more like the Nazi government?

Bottom line is that one is acting for the good, the other is not.