The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Gene Frenkle]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

I actually agree with this.  
 

With that said sadly we know politics will not go away.  And we know that the national press is on hyper super duper drive to push out as much news as possible to undermine the president in an election year and it is being used against Trump by all his opponents.  So unfortunately, this is the game they chose and Trump, conservative media and Republicans will retaliate in kind in the coming months.

And the schitshow continues. Thank you, 24-hour bipolar news!

[shoshin]

5 minutes ago, Magox said:

I actually agree with this.  
 

With that said sadly we know politics will not go away.  And we know that the national press is on hyper super duper drive to push out as much news as possible to undermine the president in an election year and it is being used against Trump by all his opponents.  So unfortunately, this is the game they chose and Trump, conservative media and Republicans will retaliate in kind in the coming months.

We all know this will be the headlines. I just choose to ignore it and care about who leads us well through it. 
 

We all vote later this year and can judge who did a good job then. Right now I can’t spend mental energy on the political blame game.  

Edited April 5, 2020 by shoshin

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27 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

On a lighter note, hoarders are getting stonewalled whilst trying to return their hoarded goods. So much schadenfreude!!! ???

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/costco-stores-ban-returns-toilet-paper-soap-coronavirus-panic-2020-3

 

yeah i'd like to return this toilet paper...slightly used

[Deranged Rhino]

9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Narcissistic??? That's seriously all you got on Trump at this point?

 

He's an incompetent moron... and every time you post like this, I legitimately do question more and more just what your motivations might be

 

Of course you question it -- because you're a deeply stupid person who cannot read. My motivation is very clear, and has been written up dozens of times within multiple threads. It's REAL easy, ready? 

 

I love my country and this community. And, because I love my country and this community, I take offense to those corrupt politicians who abuse their positions of power in order to enrich themselves and weaken the country. That's been the trend throughout multiple administrations for the past 60 years, but it accelerated under Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama to unheard of levels. That's why, when I discovered that the entire Russia Collusion narrative was not only fake -- but being intentionally pushed by the Bush/Clinton/Obama machines and their intel heads -- I took the very lonely position to call it out for what it was.

 

Joe is a part of that legacy. He's been wrong on every single major decision he's ever had to make in office -- laughably so. Worse, he's incapable of doing the job in his current mental/physical state, meaning he would be POTUS in name only and his administration would be run by a shadow cabinet full of the very same people who spent the past two decades keeping us poor, in endless war, and curtailing our innate rights as human beings. That kind of set up is fundamentally un-American as it cuts against everything we stand for as a republic. That's not hyperbole, that's fact.   

 

You, on the other hand, never bothered to do the work. Happy, instead, to mindlessly sip at the spigot of misinformation and turn off your brain in favor of FEELZ. That's why you've been 100% incorrect on every major story in the past three years. You got Trump Russia all the way wrong. You got Trump Ukraine all the way wrong. You fell, hook line and sinker, for a massive disinformation campaign because you FEEL rather than THINK. 

 

That's why you think there MUST be something more to my motives. I must be a "Russian bot" (because you're so far behind the curve you're STILL clinging to three year old debunked talking points as if they're fresh).

 

It's because you're a silly person, with nothing worthwhile to offer a serious discussion on topics that matter. 

 

9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

I think I might let you out of the bet just because I feel bad for you and I really and truly hope much of what you say is just the stubborn refusal to lose an argument rather than actually believing most of what you spew.

 

You typed ALL THOSE WORDS just to get to your real point.

 

You wants out of a bet -- because deep down you know Biden can't and will not win. But because you're dishonest, you don't cop to that, instead you try to frame it as you doing me a solid  That's weak game, bro, that works with your students (because they're children), not with grown people. I'm sorry, but that's just not going to happen. You're going to be rocking a Trump avatar for a year come November. And it'll be a good one, I promise. One that reminds you that when given the choice between truth and fiction, you chose fiction because it FEELZ better to your cognitive dissonance. 

[daz28]

7 minutes ago, shoshin said:

We all know this will be the headlines. I just choose to ignore it and care about who leads us well through it. 
 

We all vote later this year and can judge who did a good job then. Right now I can’t spend mental energy on the political blame game.  

It used to be that we relied on our president to pull the country together in a crisis. In fact it's what we considered to be his job.  I'm not sure that's possible anymore, but blaming the media is a scapegoat, which assumes that us as citizens are too dumb to know what's good for us or to know what the truth is.  I'm pretty sure that 90% of us watch the news that we feel is being honest, and would quickly change the channel if we felt is was misleading us.  After all, it's pretty much our own fault if we let ourselves be misinformed in this day and age.  

[Kevbeau]

2 minutes ago, daz28 said:

It used to be that we relied on our president to pull the country together in a crisis. In fact it's what we considered to be his job.  I'm not sure that's possible anymore, but blaming the media is a scapegoat, which assumes that us as citizens are too dumb to know what's good for us or to know what the truth is.  I'm pretty sure that 90% of us watch the news that we feel is being honest, and would quickly change the channel if we felt is was misleading us.  After all, it's pretty much our own fault if we let ourselves be misinformed in this day and age.  

Agree with you in principle, but my personal feeling is the 90% is way too high. 

[Deranged Rhino]

57 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

What grade are you in?  Who started it?  Are you ***** kidding me?  Without criticism Trump would not have gotten off his ass for even longer. Nevermind

 

We will never agree. Stay safe

 

Just a reminder: 

 

On 3/19/2020 at 9:54 AM, Bob in Mich said:

If there was justice in the universe, rather than culling the elderly, this virus would cull our world of the idiots.  Please God, start with those that continue to claim that this is all overblown.

 

This is from the same guy who wished death upon anyone who disagreed with him.

 

Honesty isn't his thing. Nor is basic comprehension or logic.

 

[daz28]

1 minute ago, Kevbeau said:

Agree with you in principle, but my personal feeling is the 90% is way too high. 

The only reason that is would be that everyone has their heels dug into their own 'sides' rhetoric.  Admitting you are wrong is now a sign of weakness, rather than a sign of intelligence.  I will also admit that the media does do a really good job of spinning things so that black is white and little boy blue's a big girl now.  

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, daz28 said:

It used to be that we relied on our president to pull the country together in a crisis. In fact it's what we considered to be his job.  I'm not sure that's possible anymore, but blaming the media is a scapegoat, which assumes that us as citizens are too dumb to know what's good for us or to know what the truth is.  I'm pretty sure that 90% of us watch the news that we feel is being honest, and would quickly change the channel if we felt is was misleading us.  After all, it's pretty much our own fault if we let ourselves be misinformed in this day and age.  

Unfortunately , the LSM won’t allow the POTUS to pull the country together , and express dismay if a poll shows he has support. It is also unfortunate that many believe the drivel and are pretty much too dumb to tell. They’ve been conditioned to believe in wokeness, gender fluidity, shaming of Caucasians and that America is systemically racist. They won’t change the channel ;rather they will regurgitate the garbage they are force fed daily. 

[daz28]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Unfortunately , the LSM won’t allow the POTUS to pull the country together , and express dismay if a poll shows he has support. It is also unfortunate that many believe the drivel and are pretty much too dumb to tell. They’ve been conditioned to believe in wokeness, gender fluidity, shaming of Caucasians and that America is systemically racist. They won’t change the channel ;rather they will regurgitate the garbage they are force fed daily. 

Your trying to say that if it's raining outside that people will still believe the weather man who said it was sunny and beautiful.  I disagree with that.  As for the other things you mentioned, they are called differences of opinion, and some could argue that America is more about being allowed to have a difference of opinion than what you feel America really is or should be.  Don't forget not that long ago people were "conditioned" to believe slavery was ok.  I hope they didn't blame their ignorance on what the local newspaper was telling them, and fully accepted it themselves.  

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Your trying to say that if it's raining outside that people will still believe the weather man who said it was sunny and beautiful.  I disagree with that.  As for the other things you mentioned, they are called differences of opinion, and some could argue that America is more about being allowed to have a difference of opinion than what you feel America really is or should be.  Don't forget not that long ago people were "conditioned" to believe slavery was ok.  I hope they didn't blame their ignorance on what the local newspaper was telling them, and fully accepted it themselves.  

No, that’s not what I’m saying. While there are some folks like that, it’s not what I was referring to. Opinion is fine, but when it is disguised / presented as fact then it’s a problem. We all know slavery happened, but it really was long ago to people that are alive now. 

[Deranged Rhino]

14 minutes ago, daz28 said:

It used to be that we relied on our president to pull the country together in a crisis. In fact it's what we considered to be his job.  I'm not sure that's possible anymore, but blaming the media is a scapegoat, which assumes that us as citizens are too dumb to know what's good for us or to know what the truth is.  I'm pretty sure that 90% of us watch the news that we feel is being honest, and would quickly change the channel if we felt is was misleading us.  After all, it's pretty much our own fault if we let ourselves be misinformed in this day and age.  

 

Letting the media off the hook is just as dangerous. They've been active co-conspirators in pushing blatantly false information on behalf of their actual masters within the USIC for decades to the detriment of the world and the people specifically. They do not inform anymore, they build narratives designed to push partisan agendas. Look back in just the past 20 years and see the body count: 

 

* 2001: MSM pushes FEAR of a tactic (not an enemy) to get Americans to go along with giving up some basic civil liberties in exchange for the promise of security from the federal government -- security which, the media knows the government cannot provide. 

 

*2002-2003: MSM takes the word of unnamed, unaccountable intelligence sources as fact and pushes WMD in Iraq on the American people. This results in a poorly thought out invasion of a country which cost the American people 4,000+ dead, 3 trillion + in treasure -- all while destabilizing an already tenuous region, taking the lives of over a million innocent civilians and allowing a vacuum to be created in which the enemies of this country (Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, AQ, and ISIS) all flourished. 

 

*2016-2019: MSM takes the word of unnamed, unaccountable intelligence sources as fact and pushes the "Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election". A narrative that was designed to unseat a duly elected POTUS against the will of the people through subterfuge and misinformation. The MSM literally sided with a backdoor coup attempt, pushed by a criminal element within the former administration and the Bush/Clinton machines. This divided the already divided country to unheard of levels, sparked a two year special counsel investigation -- all the while they knew it was not a real story as early as January 2017. They knew they were pushing a fake story on behalf of a corrupt IC contingent -- but did it anyway. 

 

There ARE good journalists and stories that can be found in every MSM outlet. While the above is painting with an admittedly broad brush, the pattern is undeniable. The MSM does not serve truth. They do not serve the people. They serve the intelligence community first and foremost, then their partisan troop. And while I agree with you that the individual bears responsibility for the information he/she consumes, it's harder than ever to find honest news because there's more information than ever before in human history. Most people do not have the time required to re-train their brains and learn how to properly discern. 

 

Because discernment is a skill. It requires time and practice to become proficient at. Especially in the middle of a (dis)information war. 

[SoCal Deek]

10 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Your trying to say that if it's raining outside that people will still believe the weather man who said it was sunny and beautiful.  I disagree with that.  As for the other things you mentioned, they are called differences of opinion, and some could argue that America is more about being allowed to have a difference of opinion than what you feel America really is or should be.  Don't forget not that long ago people were "conditioned" to believe slavery was ok.  I hope they didn't blame their ignorance on what the local newspaper was telling them, and fully accepted it themselves.  

Oh come on! 150 years ago some people felt that slavery was OK and many people voluntarily died to stop it!  How far back do you want to go? Give me a break with this enlighten self loathing and holier than though leftist garbage. My ancestors were in Italy up until almost 100 years AFTER your slavery guilt fest. They fled to avoid leftist policies, ...not slavery.

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Letting the media off the hook is just as dangerous. They've been active co-conspirators in pushing blatantly false information on behalf of their actual masters within the USIC for decades to the detriment of the world and the people specifically. They do not inform anymore, they build narratives designed to push partisan agendas. Look back in just the past 20 years and see the body count: 

 

 

The media was right about the pandemic and Trump was totally wrong. The media saved lives

[Boatdrinks]

44 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Does anyone think that all states should always be completely prepared for any and all possible medical emergencies/situations(ie have all necessary hospitals/equipment/medicines/personnel on hand), OR do you feel we should have a federal stockpile that can be diverted to the areas as needed when necessary? I'm pretty sure most of us expect the latter as we do with natural disasters. I also do not feel there should be any need for anyone to be gracious to ask for OUR(yes our not your-looks at Jared) desperately needed supplies.  I also don't feel there is anyone out there who is glad to see this happening, whether they be the fake news media or the yet another hoax Democrats.  I don't think that saying that the 15 cases would magically disappear was very good advice to help people realize the gravity of the situation, and keep them at home for the sake of the "looking good" stock market.  I could go on and on, but that's not really the point I'm trying to make.  Ok, you can now tell me about all the people who WEREN'T the POTUS who also blundered.  

Completely prepared might be unrealistic. However , woefully unprepared coupled with warnings to that effect going unheeded is not acceptable. That’s part of the NYS situation. 

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The media was right about the pandemic and Trump was totally wrong. The media saved lives

The media didn’t save lives, nor were they “ right” about the pandemic. They were furiously covering a sham impeachment and barely bothered to discuss anything else. There may have been some opinion expressed here or there, but nothing beyond that. Certainly not as a whole. 

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The media was right about the pandemic and Trump was totally wrong. The media saved lives

What was the media right about and when did that happen?

[daz28]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Oh come on! 150 years ago some people felt that slavery was OK and many people voluntarily died to stop it!  How far back do you want to go? Give me a break with this enlighten self loathing and holier than though leftist garbage. My ancestors were in Italy up until almost 100 years AFTER your slavery guilt fest. They fled to avoid leftist policies, ...not slavery.

My grandfathers grandfather was alive and well when slavery was legal, and I hold a lot of the things that he taught my grandfather dear, so it's not as long ago as you might want to believe.  If you want to go back to a time when many people on this board were alive, we can discuss the civil rights battles of the 60's.  These are facts that have no right/left leanings, so maybe you ought to slow your roll.  If you don't like the facts I post, you can use your ignore feature.  I don't come here to argue my opinion, because it's not worth any more than anyone elses.  

[keepthefaith]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

The media was right about the pandemic and Trump was totally wrong. The media saved lives

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Aren't you the one that just posted that "there is no one "Media"?

 

This media?

 

 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, keepthefaith said:

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Aren't you the one that just posted that "there is no one "Media"?

 

This media?

 

 

What about that? Is she president? Did she get the national security council meetings and ignore them? Nope

 

Trump did, then said it was all a hoax. 

[daz28]

12 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Letting the media off the hook is just as dangerous. They've been active co-conspirators in pushing blatantly false information on behalf of their actual masters within the USIC for decades to the detriment of the world and the people specifically. They do not inform anymore, they build narratives designed to push partisan agendas. Look back in just the past 20 years and see the body count: 

 

* 2001: MSM pushes FEAR of a tactic (not an enemy) to get Americans to go along with giving up some basic civil liberties in exchange for the promise of security from the federal government -- security which, the media knows the government cannot provide. 

 

*2002-2003: MSM takes the word of unnamed, unaccountable intelligence sources as fact and pushes WMD in Iraq on the American people. This results in a poorly thought out invasion of a country which cost the American people 4,000+ dead, 3 trillion + in treasure -- all while destabilizing an already tenuous region, taking the lives of over a million innocent civilians and allowing a vacuum to be created in which the enemies of this country (Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, AQ, and ISIS) all flourished. 

 

*2016-2019: MSM takes the word of unnamed, unaccountable intelligence sources as fact and pushes the "Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election". A narrative that was designed to unseat a duly elected POTUS against the will of the people through subterfuge and misinformation. The MSM literally sided with a backdoor coup attempt, pushed by a criminal element within the former administration and the Bush/Clinton machines. This divided the already divided country to unheard of levels, sparked a two year special counsel investigation -- all the while they knew it was not a real story as early as January 2017. They knew they were pushing a fake story on behalf of a corrupt IC contingent -- but did it anyway. 

 

There ARE good journalists and stories that can be found in every MSM outlet. While the above is painting with an admittedly broad brush, the pattern is undeniable. The MSM does not serve truth. They do not serve the people. They serve the intelligence community first and foremost, then their partisan troop. And while I agree with you that the individual bears responsibility for the information he/she consumes, it's harder than ever to find honest news because there's more information than ever before in human history. Most people do not have the time required to re-train their brains and learn how to properly discern. 

 

Because discernment is a skill. It requires time and practice to become proficient at. Especially in the middle of a (dis)information war. 

I think people have been pushing narratives since the beginning of time, and people have been falling for it for just as long.  While I may not agree with some of your ideas, I do agree with your general gist.  For every CNN viewer there's a Fox viewer, and for every Trump supporter, there's and Obama hater. The polarization is very real.  Keep in mind, the media doesn't have a responsibility to truth, it has a responsibility to be profitable.  I know you and I understand that, but most people don't.

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, daz28 said:

My grandfathers grandfather was alive and well when slavery was legal, and I hold a lot of the things that he taught my grandfather dear, so it's not as long ago as you might want to believe.  If you want to go back to a time when many people on this board were alive, we can discuss the civil rights battles of the 60's.  These are facts that have no right/left leanings, so maybe you ought to slow your roll.  If you don't like the facts I post, you can use your ignore feature.  I don't come here to argue my opinion, because it's not worth any more than anyone elses.  

You’re more than welcome to your opinion and your personal story....but you shouldn’t make the mistake of projecting it onto others life experiences. And yep, I remember the 1960s. Thanks for reading. 

[Gene Frenkle]

52 minutes ago, Kevbeau said:

Agree with you in principle, but my personal feeling is the 90% is way too high. 

WAAAAYYYY too high.

[Bob in Mich]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

That's some world class revisionist history, Bob. Maybe you would like to read the timelines posted in this thread about when Trump "got off his ass."

And, I am not certain why you think it is a-ok for Cuomo to criticize Trump/the Trump administration for their help and support during this crisis, and President Trump should allow his administration to be disparaged. That is nuts. Trump fights. He is fighting the "msm," the Democrats, and people like you willing to spread a false narrative, constantly. Want to know what his supporters like best about Trump? He fights.

 

 

Trump has been overly concerned with appearances over reality at every turn. He chooses to look like he solves a problem over actually solving it whenever possible.  He made a couple of good yet unpopular decisions closing travel from China early on and won't let anyone forget about it.  He spends 15-20% of his time self congratulating.  OMG if I hear one more time about how smart he was, .....  Yes, he made that decision.  He did good.  Since then, he has been his typical idiotic self however.

 

If I can post the following post three weeks ago why has he still not realized that is what needs to be done?  I also posted about making and using cloth masks weeks before Trump.  Why didn't he kick things into gear weeks ago, if not months?  Answer:  appearances.   Ok, the expert opinions were all over for a while but Jesus Christ, if I can post on this board about practical ideas to help weeks ago, why has the administration been so slow?  Answer: fear of appearances.

 

And, no one should have to kiss this President's ass in order to get him to do his ***** job.  The people of Michigan should not be punished because Governor Whitmer spoke the truth to this highly flawed fool that is in charge.  If where I worked I saw a manager taking criticism personally and acting so foolishly, I would go over his/her head to report the behavior.  It is not how an organization should operate.  Again, Trump should do his ***** job and that surely includes accepting criticism

 

On 3/15/2020 at 5:06 AM, Bob in Mich said:

From what I have read, the trained medical personnel, ICU beds, and the ventilators (respirators) seem to be the limiting resources when hospitals get overwhelmed.  If we could do enough national testing to determine which areas are likely to go hot first, shouldn't we try to get additional resources to those areas?  I don't know how long the 'extra' help would be needed and so this may not be practical, but couldn't we mobilize military transport planes and temporarily shift resources around from quiet areas to the hot spots?  Once an area slows, the resources (people, beds, ventilators) are sanitized and moved to the next hot spot.

 

I am unsure how many machines or volunteers could be manufactured or accumulated as I am sure states or even hospitals would be reluctant to loan out anything if they fear an imminent outbreak in their region.  Widespread testing though could help in the determination of impending hot spots.  Would something like this be helpful or even doable?

[Taro T]

22 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  Well, of course you can source seed from numerous sources.  But what if the restriction grows from the neighborhood store to catalog or online sources which is in essence my joke?  Before COVID-19 I would have said impossible as to not being able to buy or plant seed.  In the last week we have politicians such as DiBlasio saying that places of religious worship should be closed permanently.  By the way who is DiBlasio sending out to tell the Muslims that the mosques will never reopen should a permanent ban come to be?  Under the surface there appears to be quite a number of socialists or communists ready to take charge should society at present fail.  A starving population no doubt is a willing population in their minds.  

 

  By the way Kudos to your gardening and livestock efforts.  Hopefully, you will take the next step in terms of vegetable staples such as potatoes and sweet corn. Not as fancy and impressive as raised beds but gives you some control over the bulk of your food supply.

 

  Lastly, as of this morning on the local home improvement radio show plants for vegetables and fruits are NOT prohibited at this point in time for NY.

 

Unless he has a lot of land to devote to the garden, would stay away from planting corn.  For whatever reason, unless the field is pretty substantial, the yield will be poor.  The plants just don't seem to pollinate/ germinate well unless they're well surrounded with other corn plants.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

50 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Unfortunately , the LSM won’t allow the POTUS to pull the country together , and express dismay if a poll shows he has support. It is also unfortunate that many believe the drivel and are pretty much too dumb to tell. They’ve been conditioned to believe in wokeness, gender fluidity, shaming of Caucasians and that America is systemically racist. They won’t change the channel ;rather they will regurgitate the garbage they are force fed daily. 

 

 

 

...shouldn't there be a bronzed plaque erected in Washington, perhaps on the Capitol steps saying , "The Beltway 535 never lets a "crisis go to waste"?....absolutely LOVE sending my SIX figure tax tab to Washington and my FIVE figure tax tab to Big Fredo here in NYS.....and here I am at AGE 67 STILL working.....as I tell my kids, "I'll expire before I can retire"......

[billsfan1959]

34 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

What about that? Is she president? Did she get the national security council meetings and ignore them? Nope

 

Trump did, then said it was all a hoax. 

She sure as hell did. The Democrats are in charge of the House Intelligence Committee. Don’t tell me Schiff and Pelosi didn’t get essentially the same information that Trump did. If you don’t believe that, then you don’t want to believe that. You didn’t hear the word “coronavirus” from a single Democrat, In regard to anything anyone should be concerned about until a month or so after Trump formed his task force - The end of February into March. 
 

They had the power to call anyone they wanted to testify before them about how serious this was and what they should do. Instead, they chose to spend that time pushing an impeachment.

 

Trump never said the coronavirus was a hoax. You know that.

 

Your hatred and rage doesn’t allow you to separate your emotions from reason. Trying to engage in any kind of honest dialogue with you is pointless.

Edited April 5, 2020 by billsfan1959

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, Taro T said:

 

Unless he has a lot of land to devote to the garden, would stay away from planting corn.  For whatever reason, unless the field is pretty substantial, the yield will be poor.  The plants just don't seem to pollinate/ germinate well unless they're well surrounded with other corn plants.

  I've planted sweet corn in an area 1/2 acre down to the size occupied by a full sized extended cab PU.  The corn came out the same with generous size ears with excellent flavor and sweetness.  Corn needs a soil pH of near neutral or 7.0.  Needs abundant amounts of nitrogen, phosphate, and potassium which can be applied ahead of seeding to be utilized during the growing season.  Seasonal rainfall should be around 15-20 inches per season or water 1" per week in temps 85 degrees or below.  Corn likes sunlight as well as heat so do not plant in an area that will be shady a majority of the day when the Sun is up.  Also, there should be some depth to the topsoil so shale 2 inches down from the top of the ground will be a problem.  Stagger planting so maturity is spread so you can have a crop 70 days from initial planting until expectation of frost.  One caveat is at least the best sweet corn is until mid-September as the days tend to cool after that point.  Potatoes have similar needs to corn with emphasis on loamy top soil several inches deep.  The deeper the better but the conditions can be offset by a process called hilling where the soil is moved mechanically from the midpoint between the rows towards the plant.

[shoshin]

Ugh to all of this nonsense. 
 

Like the gardening talk though. 

Edited April 5, 2020 by shoshin

[Tiberius]

10 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

She sure as hell did. The Democrats are in charge of the House Intelligence Committee. Don’t tell me Schiff and Pelosi didn’t get essentially the same information that Trump did. If you don’t believe that, then you don’t want to believe that. You didn’t hear the word “coronavirus” from a single Democrat, In regard to anything anyone should be concerned about until a month or so after Trump formed his task force - The end of February into March. 
 

They had the power to call anyone they wanted to testify before them about how serious this was and what they should do. Instead, they chose to spend that time pushing an impeachment.

 

Trump never said the coronavirus was a hoax. You know that.

 

Your hatred and rage doesn’t allow you to separate your emotions from reason. Trying to engage in any kind of honest dialogue with you is pointless.

Prove she did. We know Trump did, yet he called it a hoax. You are saying she is just as bad as Trump. Right? Nancy changed her tune, Trump kept on spewing nonsense. 

 

Pelosi's response to this crisis way better than Trump's. Remember when she offered $8 billion in aid and Trump refused that even? Not even close 

 

 

[Taro T]

5 hours ago, ALF said:

We didn’t have to have ventilator shortage — leaders chose not to prep for pandemic

 

It’s a little late. Several years ago, after learning that the Empire State’s stockpile of medical equipment had 16,000 fewer ventilators than the 18,000 New Yorkers would need in a severe pandemic, state public-health leaders came to a fork in the road.

 

They could have chosen to buy more ventilators to back up the supplies hospitals maintain. ­Instead, the health commissioner, Howard Zucker, assembled a task force for rationing the ventilators they already had.

 

In 2015, that task force came up with rules that will be imposed when ventilators run short. ­Patients assigned a red code will have highest access, and other ­patients will be assigned green, yellow or blue (the worst), ­depending on a “triage officer’s” decision.

In truth, a death officer. Let’s not sugar-coat it. It won’t be up to your own doctor.

 

https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/we-didnt-have-to-have-ventilator-shortage-leaders-chose-not-to-prep-for-pandemic/

 

https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf

Did Cuomo  ever explain why he didn't buy more ventilators after the 2015 NY report ?
 

 

Doubt it.  But NOW is not the time to be hammering him on that decision.  There will be plenty of time to review what decisions got us to this point and how to make better decisions to better handle (and ideally avoid) the next crisis.  But the time for postmortems is when the crisis is over, not during it.

[daz28]

Him saying it was a hoax was misconstrued, but he DID say he thought that the media and the Democrats were happy this was happening.  That was incredibly dumb.  Sure, both sides will use this politically.  He'll try to say he did the most tremendous job of any president ever, and that we were lucky to have him.  They will try to say he mishandled it, but NO ONE is happy about this.  That's absurd.

[Buffalo_Gal]

34 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Trump has been overly concerned with appearances over reality at every turn. He chooses to look like he solves a problem over actually solving it whenever possible.  He made a couple of good yet unpopular decisions closing travel from China early on and won't let anyone forget about it.  He spends 15-20% of his time self congratulating.  OMG if I hear one more time about how smart he was, .....  Yes, he made that decision.  He did good.  Since then, he has been his typical idiotic self however.

 

If I can post the following post three weeks ago why has he still not realized that is what needs to be done?  I also posted about making and using cloth masks weeks before Trump.  Why didn't he kick things into gear weeks ago, if not months?  Answer:  appearances.   Ok, the expert opinions were all over for a while but Jesus Christ, if I can post on this board about practical ideas to help weeks ago, why has the administration been so slow?  Answer: fear of appearances.

 

And, no one should have to kiss this President's ass in order to get him to do his ***** job.  The people of Michigan should not be punished because Governor Whitmer spoke the truth to this highly flawed fool that is in charge.  If where I worked I saw a manager taking criticism personally and acting so foolishly, I would go over his/her head to report the behavior.  It is not how an organization should operate.  Again, Trump should do his ***** job and that surely includes accepting criticism

 

You know Bob, when people dunk on you, I sometimes feel they are being too harsh. I have changed my opinion. You deserve what you get.



 

[daz28]

5 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

Doubt it.  But NOW is not the time to be hammering him on that decision.  There will be plenty of time to review what decisions got us to this point and how to make better decisions to better handle (and ideally avoid) the next crisis.  But the time for postmortems is when the crisis is over, not during it.

I agree. For every person saying Cuomo should have got the ventilators in 2015, there's another saying Trump said it was unprecedented and there's no way you could have seen this coming.  You can't have it both ways.  

[Bob in Mich]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

You know Bob, when people dunk on you, I sometimes feel they are being too harsh. I have changed my opinion. You deserve what you get.



 

We live and we learn. I have learned your opinions are not well informed and that you are quite stubborn

 

Want to tell us all again how this virus is no big deal?  

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, Bob in Mich said:

We live and we learn. I have learned your opinions are not well informed and that you are quite stubborn

 

Want to tell us all again how this virus is no big deal?  

My opinions are not well informed? M'kay.

I have not changed my opinion much on this virus.  Again though, I have qualified my opinion before by saying that there may be more going on that TPTB have not allowed the general public to know, and that makes me hesitate in a firm opinion (IOW I am willing to learn, can you say the same?) With over 150 countries closing their borders, and the Chinese lying and lack of forthcoming, it does make me wonder what we are not being told? What is still unknown?  IOW, without all the data (and some of the numbers are shifting and will continue to do so), it is difficult to make a final judgement.

 

[CommonCents]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

My opinions are not well informed? M'kay.

I have not changed my opinion much on this virus.  Again though, I have qualified my opinion before by saying that there may be more going on that TPTB have not allowed the general public to know, and that makes me hesitate in a firm opinion (IOW I am willing to learn, can you say the same?) With over 150 countries closing their borders, and the Chinese lying and lack of forthcoming, it does make me wonder what we are not being told? What is still unknown?  IOW, without all the data (and some of the numbers are shifting and will continue to do so), it is difficult to make a final judgement.

 

Do you think there is something we aren’t being told? I have no idea, it does all seem surreal though. 

[B-Man]

 

 

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[IDBillzFan]

43 minutes ago, Taro T said:

 

Unless he has a lot of land to devote to the garden, would stay away from planting corn.  For whatever reason, unless the field is pretty substantial, the yield will be poor.  The plants just don't seem to pollinate/ germinate well unless they're well surrounded with other corn plants.

 

Appreciate this. We have five acres, but the garden and coop comprise a 35'x35' area. We are going to do potatoes, mostly because they're easy to grow but also because my son loves the movie "The Martian."  We also have an apple tree, but are preparing to add a couple of more for the reasons you cite above about the corn. My neighbor has 5 acres next to mine, and we plan to bring in some cows and make use of the 10 acres for our own beef, but also to sell.

 

The goal was never to come here to become as self-sufficient as possible. The garden was my wife's way of ensuring everything we eat is our own.

 

But she looks really, really smart right now and I have no intention of suggesting it was just a lucky call on her behalf.

[Taro T]

33 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  I've planted sweet corn in an area 1/2 acre down to the size occupied by a full sized extended cab PU.  The corn came out the same with generous size ears with excellent flavor and sweetness.  Corn needs a soil pH of near neutral or 7.0.  Needs abundant amounts of nitrogen, phosphate, and potassium which can be applied ahead of seeding to be utilized during the growing season.  Seasonal rainfall should be around 15-20 inches per season or water 1" per week in temps 85 degrees or below.  Corn likes sunlight as well as heat so do not plant in an area that will be shady a majority of the day when the Sun is up.  Also, there should be some depth to the topsoil so shale 2 inches down from the top of the ground will be a problem.  Stagger planting so maturity is spread so you can have a crop 70 days from initial planting until expectation of frost.  One caveat is at least the best sweet corn is until mid-September as the days tend to cool after that point.  Potatoes have similar needs to corn with emphasis on loamy top soil several inches deep.  The deeper the better but the conditions can be offset by a process called hilling where the soil is moved mechanically from the midpoint between the rows towards the plant.

 

Have always had excellent luck w/ potatoes and never any w/ corn.

 

Not sure of the soil pH or nutrient levels (the garden is decent sized for a home garden (1,200 sq ft) but working it is a hobby so don't go too crazy on it) but have the rest of that.  Corn is one of only 2 crops I've tried that haven't been successful with.  Was always told by corn farmers that it was because the plots were too small.  And not too concerned about the soil conditions as we literally have corn field within a block of us in all 4 directions and pretty much any other crop does well in our little garden.

 

If you're able to grow corn successfully on a 8' xv6' plot, then congrats.  That is quite impressive. 

[daz28]

This looks like some promising numbers.  Finally some good news:

 

New York also reported fewer hospitalizations on Saturday than it had in days prior, with 574 new admissions reported on April 4. As Cuomo reviewed at the start of Sunday's address, there were 1,095 new hospitalizations on Friday and 1,427 on Thursday.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/governor-cuomo-suggests-number-new-yorks-covid-19-deaths-dropping-over-past-few-days-1496201