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3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Twist.....why are you so dense on this?  He IMPROVED IN NEARLY EVERY CATEGORY ACROSS THE BOARD.

Hapless and another fella posted a nice chart comparing qbr or some similar metric for all of Josh's passes from before the l.o.s. and over thirty plus, right, left, and center. Nearly every field was improved, some significantly. Just don't understand the folks who believe Allen had a bad year and did not show encouraging signs of becoming a franchise qb. Certainly, Beane and the rest of the team believe he is on that trajectory.

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23 hours ago, McBean said:

I’m going to stir the pot here...

 

For me?

 

Marcus Mariota.

 

The kid had a new offensive coordinator every season in Tennessee, they refused to hand the ball to Henry when he was at QB, and he’s already had huge success before in the league.

 

Before you all flame away, he would be a SIGNIFICANT upgrade over Barkley, and what has Tennessee/Philadelphia showed us the past few years? Never hurts to have a good QB 2.

 

Lastly, I’m not sold on Josh Allen. I was extremely bullish on him early on but towards the end of the season my optimism has faded. 
 

Who is your number 1 target and why?

Gonna stir is more cause of the silly Watkins thread.

 

Sammy Watkins!

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19 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I actually don't want Jordan Phillips back that much. At least not at his price. We've got Phillips coming back. I'de rather invest on the edge. If you take Phillips + Murphy you have around $15-17 million. I'de rather spend that on a DE. 

 

I would also try to re-sign Shaq. 

 

The free agent I want to sign the most is Yannick Njakoue.

 

Isn't Njakoue the guy that cried because Incognito said something to him ?

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I think given who is on the market and what the need for the team is I would strongly prefer they sign a top pass rusher. I think Yannick is the guy they need to target. He will be 26 in 2020 which means he fits the timeline of the team perfectly (highly productive the next 3-4 seasons where they can take advantage of Josh's rookie deal) and would come at a price that I think could make sense (just as the cap gets tight they get off of Hughes and Star's contracts.) I don't think they need to go with a WR like Cooper because you are going to over pay even by the standards of free agency. The Pass Rushers market is much more flushed and I would love to see them fill a need in that market. 

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On 1/12/2020 at 9:19 PM, GreggTX said:

 

I'm conflicted here. I've long wondered why TEN didn't recognize what he could do for them, but I don't want to see Singletary's workload reduced. I think DS has a bright future ahead of him and would like to see him get 300+ carries in 2020. I just don't get people wanting to use a high pick on a RB before bolstering the blocking. We also have Christian Wade who showed exceptional running ability and now has a year of training. I'm excited to see what he can do.

I think 300+ carrys is to much for DS. But 15 for DH and 15 for DS seems like the perfect # for both of them.

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On 1/12/2020 at 10:00 PM, Niagara Dude said:

Bud DUPREE LB

Jack Conklin RT

Kenyan  Drake RB

 

Get the first two on the list and you have improved your both our offense and defense,  then draft WR in first round and resign Philips and Lawson. 

 

Then you get rid of dead wood like Lee Smith/Murphy/Kroft that saves us over 14 million in cap space

Throw in Robbi Anderson and you would have about $26-30M in cap space after the draft. This would make the Dline set for another year, allow for a move during the season if one comes up, and leaves us with a better team and a ton of $$ To roll over in 2021.  I think a offseason like this is probably how the offseason will go. Bean like to be in a position to go BPA on the draft. And alowas have cash on hand

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3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Twist.....why are you so dense on this?  He IMPROVED IN NEARLY EVERY CATEGORY ACROSS THE BOARD.

Im not saying he hasn't.   Im saying it's not enough, especially with the fortunate situation he's been in with this franchise.  His progression should have had a pretty good spike this year with the additional pieces they added around him and a favorable schedule.  It didn't. He remains at or near the bottom of the league in nearly every statistical category. 

 

Accuracy and consistency still plauge him and it irritates the hell out of me, especially with him going top 10 overall and a history of those issues, pre-draft.

 

If Allen was a second rounder or third rounder I wouldn't be nearly as critical of him. 

 

First round Qbs are meant to be franchise guys, especially top 10 picks. 

 

I have no doubt Beane and Mcd are going to add top tier Wide Out talent and perhaps a RB and Olineman. 

 

But year 3 is it.  A rebuilt team around him,  talent at all skill positions, 3rd year in the system, and a veteran of this team, I don't want excuses.  I want the performance you'd expect out of a top 10 franchise Qb in year 3. 

 

Imo that is AT LEAST middle of the pack in nearly every statistical category compared to his NFL counterparts. 

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2 hours ago, Franchiseneedsme said:

I think 300+ carrys is to much for DS. But 15 for DH and 15 for DS seems like the perfect # for both of them.

 

I don't think 300+ carries(18.75 CPG) is too much for next year. He averaged 17.16 CPG over his last 6 games. I think he can handle and will get the 2 extra carries per game over that average next year to get him over the 300 carry threshold. He averaged 5.1 YPC this year. We need to get Devin the ball more next season than we gave it to him this year. 

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Since first responding, I've checked up on J Conklin. While he'd be a considerable upgrade at RT, he's just another average OT. Now I'm more inclined to think we should sign a FA WR and draft the best OT we can get in the draft. I really want us to have a couple elite OL. It just makes life so much easier for everyone else on offense when the guys up front take ownership of the LOS. We do need to run more and Josh really struggles when defenses bring pressure. Improving the OL from a C- To a B+ or even an A level would be huge IMO. I just don't know who that WR will be. I still want Thompson back in any case.

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3 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

Im not saying he hasn't.   Im saying it's not enough, especially with the fortunate situation he's been in with this franchise.  His progression should have had a pretty good spike this year with the additional pieces they added around him and a favorable schedule.  It didn't. He remains at or near the bottom of the league in nearly every statistical category. 

 

Accuracy and consistency still plauge him and it irritates the hell out of me, especially with him going top 10 overall and a history of those issues, pre-draft.

 

If Allen was a second rounder or third rounder I wouldn't be nearly as critical of him. 

 

First round Qbs are meant to be franchise guys, especially top 10 picks. 

 

I have no doubt Beane and Mcd are going to add top tier Wide Out talent and perhaps a RB and Olineman. 

 

But year 3 is it.  A rebuilt team around him,  talent at all skill positions, 3rd year in the system, and a veteran of this team, I don't want excuses.  I want the performance you'd expect out of a top 10 franchise Qb in year 3. 

 

Imo that is AT LEAST middle of the pack in nearly every statistical category compared to his NFL counterparts. 

 

100% correct, Twist. Some people just lose it if you criticise him at all. Every Bills fan loves his selfless attitude and work ethic. We all know his scrambling ability is elite. We all desperately want him to succeed. None of that is in question, but the numbers don't lie. He is near the bottom of NFL starting QB's in most every passing stat and he has at least an average supporting cast. No more excuses. You can't count on him coming around after 2 full seasons like Tannehill, for example. It happens, but less often you'd like. His accuraccy, mental aptitude and ability to handle pressure must greatly improve. That sack against Houston that took us out of FG range was a perfect example of what I'm talking about. If he doesn't take an even bigger jump next year, this team will be stuck in neutral until we move on to the next candidate.

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20 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Since first responding, I've checked up on J Conklin. While he'd be a considerable upgrade at RT, he's just another average OT. Now I'm more inclined to think we should sign a FA WR and draft the best OT we can get in the draft. I really want us to have a couple elite OL. It just makes life so much easier for everyone else on offense when the guys up front take ownership of the LOS. We do need to run more and Josh really struggles when defenses bring pressure. Improving the OL from a C- To a B+ or even an A level would be huge IMO. I just don't know who that WR will be. I still want Thompson back in any case.

I don’t really care how they do it, but that’s exactly what I’d like in our OL. It’s not sexy but it’s effective. Give josh some hogs

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On 1/12/2020 at 9:15 PM, mjt328 said:

One of the primary goals of Free Agency should be to setup the draft, and allow us to go BPA instead of desperately filling holes.

 

This year's draft is very strong at certain positions, and very weak at others.  From my vantage point, the #22 spot is going to be a great position for any team in need of a Wide Receiver.  There also seem to be some good Running Back and Cornerback options that slip to us the 2nd Round.  So my main targets in Free Agency will focus on the spots we probably can't fill in the draft.

  • On top of that list should be pass rusher.  My plan would be to re-sign Shaq Lawson, add another DE and then cut Trent Murphy.  Guys like Jadeveon Clowney, Yannick Ngakoue or Arik Armstead would be great additions.  There are some other guys on the market who could help as well, such as Bud Dupree, Matthew Judon or Shaq Barrett.  Someone versatile like Kyle Van Noy would be a great replacement for Lorenzo Alexander.
  • My guess is that Jordan Phillips will not have a huge market, seeing the high number of interior defensive linemen on the market.  I would like to get him back on a fair deal.  But if the Bills can't get him back, there are lots of other options like Chris Jones, Leonard Williams or Javon Hargrave.
  • The WR market is fools gold this year.  Amari Cooper is easily the best option, and he runs very hot and cold.  AJ Green and Larry Fitzgerald are pretty much done.  Like I said earlier, this is the position to hit in the draft.  On the TE side, I think Hunter Henry is the best option available, but is too injury prone and undependable.  I think Dawson Knox has more potential that Austin Hooper.
  • Offensive Line is a position I would (maybe) be comfortable keeping relatively the same as 2019.  The coaching staff really needs to settle on a long-term position for Cody Ford.  If they are confident he can be our Right Tackle, then bring back Quinton Spain and leave the O-Line intact.  If they think he projects to guard, then slide him inside and go after Jack Conklin.
  • As a luxury, I would like to make an offer to Byron Jones.  Pairing him with Tre White could really make our defense unstoppable.

 

 

 

I fear the OL is at the "good enough" point and they will let it go, falling short of dominant. It seems so simple, but all you need is a dominant line and a good back and you can control football games. It should be top priority. I don't think Dawkins, Feliciano, or Ford (as a tackle) can be starting pieces on a dominant line.

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On 1/12/2020 at 7:34 PM, Franchiseneedsme said:

Derrick Henry. If he does become  available I think the Bill's should pay what it takes to get him here. I have heard and said, "you shouldn't pay big $$ for RB's"... but this guy would make us SB contenders without really doing much else IMO.add another solid draft and we could be the 1 seed ne t year

 

Spending big money on a 2nd RB is about the stupidest thing Bean could do. Can you name another team that has done this in the past decade? Then if you can, did that team jump to the #1 seed? Stop the Derrick Henry hysteria. Everyone was always pissed when Buffalo kept drafting RBs in the first round year after year, this is the equivalency of that but worse.

 

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9 hours ago, Franchiseneedsme said:

I think 300+ carrys is to much for DS. But 15 for DH and 15 for DS seems like the perfect # for both of them.

So pay top RB money for a guy that gets 50% of the snaps? Oh and he can't catch out of the backfield!  This is a passing league. In no way should you give a 2nd RB top 3 money.

 

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5 hours ago, GreggTX said:

Since first responding, I've checked up on J Conklin. While he'd be a considerable upgrade at RT, he's just another average OT. Now I'm more inclined to think we should sign a FA WR and draft the best OT we can get in the draft. I really want us to have a couple elite OL. It just makes life so much easier for everyone else on offense when the guys up front take ownership of the LOS. We do need to run more and Josh really struggles when defenses bring pressure. Improving the OL from a C- To a B+ or even an A level would be huge IMO. I just don't know who that WR will be. I still want Thompson back in any case.

 

I have to agree. I never really liked Conklin, even during draft time. He's a grinder, and an overachiever, but he's not a big deal and I hate teh idea of paying a RT anyway. And he's had injury issues. I'd rather invest big bucks in an elite guard like Scherff. 

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I think AJ Green might be my choice. Getting one of the top DEs is a higher priority to me, but due to the number of choices there, I don't really care about one specific DE. AJ is pretty much the only free agent WR I'm interested in (maybe Robby as well, but not sure if McBeane will want him).

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Perriman for sure, and Cooper if he can be process oriented. Conklin at RT would be sweet.

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9 hours ago, GreggTX said:

 

100% correct, Twist. Some people just lose it if you criticise him at all. Every Bills fan loves his selfless attitude and work ethic. We all know his scrambling ability is elite. We all desperately want him to succeed. None of that is in question, but the numbers don't lie. He is near the bottom of NFL starting QB's in most every passing stat and he has at least an average supporting cast. No more excuses. You can't count on him coming around after 2 full seasons like Tannehill, for example. It happens, but less often you'd like. His accuraccy, mental aptitude and ability to handle pressure must greatly improve. That sack against Houston that took us out of FG range was a perfect example of what I'm talking about. If he doesn't take an even bigger jump next year, this team will be stuck in neutral until we move on to the next candidate.

That is just wrong......ppl have no problem with evaluating the QB.....but need to understand what BAD QB play actually looks like.

 

Josh Allen was extremely raw coming into the league......is not close to his ceiling....and is improving year to year.

 

You throw a QB like that away.....you deserve the losing season you get every year from doing that.

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10 hours ago, GreggTX said:

 

100% correct, Twist. Some people just lose it if you criticise him at all. Every Bills fan loves his selfless attitude and work ethic. We all know his scrambling ability is elite. We all desperately want him to succeed. None of that is in question, but the numbers don't lie. He is near the bottom of NFL starting QB's in most every passing stat and he has at least an average supporting cast. No more excuses. You can't count on him coming around after 2 full seasons like Tannehill, for example. It happens, but less often you'd like. His accuraccy, mental aptitude and ability to handle pressure must greatly improve. That sack against Houston that took us out of FG range was a perfect example of what I'm talking about. If he doesn't take an even bigger jump next year, this team will be stuck in neutral until we move on to the next candidate.

 

I think what most people are saying is there was a noticeable difference between year 1 and year 2. Did the people who are not happy think he was going to become an elite passer this year? His supporting cast is average at best, especially with the way they used Singletary at RB this year. They need a better group at RB and a legit 3rd WR in today's NFL. He stacked up well this year with other QBs that were drafted before him in the top 10 last year, didn't he? It's like people forget just how rough around the edges he was in 2018.

 

2018: He had 3 games that he didn't crack a 100 yards passing in 12 games(33%). Minus the last Jets game this year he had 0 in 15 games.

 

2018: He had 5 games sub 60 QB Rating in 12 games(41.6%). This year he had 1(6.6%)

 

2018: He had 2 games over a 100 QB Rating(16.6%). This year he had 6(40%)

 

2018: He had 2 games with 2 Passing TDs or more(16.6%). This year he had 6(40%).

 

2018: He had 2 games with a Completion Percentage 60% or higher(16.6%). This year he had 8(53.3%) 

 

2018: He had 0 games with a completion percentage 70% or higher(0%). This year he had 3(20%) including a 79.2% against Dallas on the big stage for the first time.

 

His TD% went from 3.1% to 4.3%. His INT% was almost cut in half going from 3.8% to 2.0%. He threw only 75% of the INTs this year than he did last year even though his attempts went from 320 to 461.

 

Most of his runs last year were scrambles because he couldn't read defenses. This year most of his runs were designed runs. When he was scrambling this year he kept his eyes down field and was looking to pass first, run second.

 

He improved greatly on short to intermediate routes, but still needs to improve his long ball.

 

Daboll's passing offense has never been good in any season he's been OC ranking 32nd, 29th, 23rd, 32nd, 31st & 26th. Are you really saying this is all on Josh? Doesn't seem like it according to those rankings.

 

Point is IF Josh takes another jump next year as he did this year, we'll be better off at the QB position than we've been in a long, long time.

 

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6 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I think AJ Green might be my choice. Getting one of the top DEs is a higher priority to me, but due to the number of choices there, I don't really care about one specific DE. AJ is pretty much the only free agent WR I'm interested in (maybe Robby as well, but not sure if McBeane will want him).

 

I don't get the heavy desire for AJ Green, the dude is coming off of back to back injury prone seasons (he literally missed all of 2019 and half of 2018) and another injury riddled campaign in 2016. His production hasn't been elite since 2015 either. Even in 2017 his last healthy season he was decent but only really a high volume stat inflated season. I am not saying that I wouldn't like to see Green as a vet stop gap for one year (Even if it cost a lot of money like 12+ million.) I don't think this team should invest in a 32 year old receiver who hasn't been a truly elite player since 2015. 

 

I think a lot of fans are getting fooled by the big name of AJ Green as opposed to the production he is likely to produce in 2020 and beyond. I just don't think he really fits unless it is on a one year deal. 

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On 1/13/2020 at 12:37 PM, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

No he doesn't, not even close. Barkley 10 TDs   21 INTs, Allen 30 TDs   21 INTs. Barkley has thrown the SAME amount of INTs in 342 attempt to Josh's INTs in 781 attempts. He also has only 1/3 of the TD passes Allen has. 

 

He can't run to save his life, 17 attempts...wait for it -6 yards 0 TDs. Josh has 198 attempts  1,1141 yards and 17 more TDs

 

Leadership. I didn't see the team rally around Barkley in his starts vs when Josh plays. This team is firmly behind him.

 

You must have forgot to mention those in your list of how Barkley is the same as Josh post and they are to date  3 of the bigger differences between them.

 

Barkley doesn't play because after 7 seasons he's not that good and he still can't hang onto the ball. Like I mentioned before 6.1 career INT%, Jameis Winston threw 30 INTs this year and his INT% was only 4.8.

 

I'm getting the feeling you're a fan that wants 300 yard games, no matter what. Turnovers kill a team more than anything. Josh & the team have made huge strides in this area since the first Pats**** game this year, that was till Barkley took the field in week 17 thinking the Jest players were his teammates.    

Don’t forget that Barkley lost to McKenzie in a throwing competition. 

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On 1/12/2020 at 7:29 PM, McBean said:

I’m going to stir the pot here...

 

For me?

Marcus Mariota.

The kid had a new offensive coordinator every season in Tennessee, they refused to hand the ball to Henry when he was at QB, and he’s already had huge success before in the league.

Before you all flame away, he would be a SIGNIFICANT upgrade over Barkley, and what has Tennessee/Philadelphia showed us the past few years? Never hurts to have a good QB 2.

Lastly, I’m not sold on Josh Allen. I was extremely bullish on him early on but towards the end of the season my optimism has faded. 
Who is your number 1 target and why?

 

McDermott and Beane have both made it super-clear that they "ride or die" with Josh Allen, so that would be "No"

I'm not so clear why you think Mariota is a significant upgrade on Barkley at this point, either?   I guess he's thrown fewer picks, but the bottom line for both of them seems to be "throw for more yards, throw more picks".  I mean, an upgrade, sure?

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I know he’s old, but I’d go after Gregg Olsen.  I think he could still be a great security blanket for Josh and with Gire most likely gone, it’d be good to have a vet in the offensive huddle who commands respect.  

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