Shaq Lawson wants "that cash"

[frostbitmic]

Did we have a DE that was better than Lawson this year ? ... I don't think so IMO.

 

How much does Hughes make and how long does he have left ? ... one year, two at most ?

 

I think I'd re-sign Lawson.

[WildBills]

Now we know why he played so well this year. After this year he will be back to being a nobody who people thought was a bust. Has potential to be good in this league but doesn't have the heart to do it year in and year out. 

[BarleyNY]

18 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Does anyone know how accurate Spotrac is when it comes to their "Market Value" estimations? Like comparing what they thought players would get to what they actually got? 

 I don’t know where you’d find that.  I’d guess that there are some natural variations like being low on players that get big deals early and high on players that linger on the market.  They also tend to rely on comparisons with players of a similar age who play the same position and have similar stats.  Other factors like hometown discounts, off the field stuff, locker room leadership, etc. probably don’t get accounted for.  Still, there’s something to be said for an estimate based only on expected production. 

[Don Otreply]

It is my hope that we resign him, and that the locker room peer pressure keeps him motivated, ya can’t always tell if a guy will just go through the motions after payday...

 

Go Bills!!!

[billsfan_34]

Shaq definitely had his best season as a pro but I wouldn’t give him more than 3 years, 26 mil, 15 guaranteed.

[frostbitmic]

7 minutes ago, WildBills said:

Now we know why he played so well this year. After this year he will be back to being a nobody who people thought was a bust. Has potential to be good in this league but doesn't have the heart to do it year in and year out. 

Shaq was drafted injured and did nothing his rookie year.

 

He got a little better playing in his second year after playing a bit.

 

He improved last year and improved again this year. Was it just money or is he starting to figure things out ?

[billsbackto81]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Time to date a Pegula daughter like Croom 

 

That's not cash, that's insurance.

[BuffaloHokie13]

2 hours ago, GG said:

You can't pay him and Murphy $8 each next year to rotate.  

You've got until 6/1 to cut Murphy as far as I know. Offer Shaq 8M per, if he walks fine, if not see where draft takes us and cut Trent when the 7.2 is needed.

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I don’t expect him back as I think McBeane & he differ widely on fair market value. Add to that, some team is so desperate for D-rush, they’ll way over pay. He’s already made very good money from his 1st Round selection, though imo, has only earned it the last season & a half. 

But I’ve been wrong before.

You are a hard azz mostly. But i agree.

He will chase the money, shame on him. And Beane will remain steady and let him feel FA. That Dline was definitely a team and scheme win. No one player just plain dominated  week in week out.

Same with Phillips. Beane will give him the chance to check FA .
 I really trust McBeanes here.

 

Would like to keep them both.
 

One player i would be sure to keep , is Tre. I know it's early. But take care of that Young Man.

2 hours ago, GG said:

You can't pay him and Murphy $8 each next year to rotate.  

why not ?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Your Cash Ain’t Nothin’ But Trash.

 

Not passing judgment on player or management.  It’s about the only Steve Miller Band song I like.

[skibum]

Good for him. The Bills FO sent him a message by not picking up his 5th year, and he responded with a great season. I hope he sticks around, but would totally understand if he wants to cash in somewhere else after not getting the love last off-season. 

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, OZBILLS said:

Everyone has "one decent year" here it seems.

 

Nobody wants to pay anyone. Revolving door of development

I think this year is going to Prove that theory with our McBeanes.
The rebuild is now fine tuning and tweaking.

Its about the details.
Keep in mind this is not Russ Brandon nor Whaley trying to sell tickets and be cheap any longer.
Looking forward to see how Lawson Phillips and Spain etc are handled this offseason

 Go Bills

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, skibum said:

Good for him. The Bills FO sent him a message by not picking up his 5th year, and he responded with a great season. I hope he sticks around, but would totally understand if he wants to cash in somewhere else after not getting the love last off-season. 

I definitely would not classify his season as great. I would say His best season. But in terms of other DEs in the NFL it was an avg season maybe above avg. but cannot and will not classify less than double digit sacks as great. 

[GG]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

You've got until 6/1 to cut Murphy as far as I know. Offer Shaq 8M per, if he walks fine, if not see where draft takes us and cut Trent when the 7.2 is needed.

 

They can designate him as a Post-June cut at any time now, but the cap space isn't as big of an issue as roster planning.

 

6 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

why not ?

 

Because they're both average, at best, and they rotate.  You don't spend $16 million for the equivalent of an average DE.

 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

I think this year is going to Prove that theory with our McBeanes.
The rebuild is now fine tuning and tweaking.

Its about the details.
Keep in mind this is not Russ Brandon nor Whaley trying to sell tickets and be cheap any longer.
Looking forward to see how Lawson Phillips and Spain etc are handled this offseason

 Go Bills

if I could sign one of the 3. Spain it is. He has to be the absolute priority re-signing. 

[ExWNYer]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I hate carrying cash.

 

I prefer Bitcoin myself.

 

FWIW, I think that Shaq has played his last down for the Bills. If they thought that this last year was going to make that big of a difference in their decision, they probably would have picked up his 5th year option when they had the chance rather than rolling the dice that he'd get away. Despite what Beane told him about playing hard this year and being rewarded, I honestly believe the Bills had no intention of ever re-signing him. He had  a good year but not the type of year that would make them feel as if he can't be replaced. Maybe I'm misreading the tea leaves. Time will tell.

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

I prefer Bitcoin myself.

 

FWIW, I think that Shaq has played his last down for the Bills. If they thought that this last year was going to make that big of a difference in their decision, they probably would have picked up his 5th year option when they had the chance rather than rolling the dice that he'd get away. Despite what Beane told him about playing hard this year and being rewarded, I honestly believe the Bills had no intention of ever re-signing him. He had  a good year but not the type of year that would make them feel as if he can't be replaced. Maybe I'm misreading the tea leaves. Time will tell.

I agree. Go buy a legit Edge. So you lose a Shaq Lawson but you upgrade at the position similar to what they just did with the DL coach. 

[starrymessenger]

I think he had a very good year, was an impactful player. I'm not so sure it would be easy to get the same performance out of a replacement player. I hope they can work something out that satisfies both parties. Sure a legit edge guy would help put our D over the top but most edge rushers are not three down players and Shaq is already in a rotation. I would like to have both Shaq and an edge rusher. 

Edited January 10, 2020 by starrymessenger

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

I think he had a very good year, was an impactful player. I'm not so sure it would be easy to get the same performance out of a replacement player. I hope they can work something out that satisfies both parties.

 Do you think a Yannick or Judon would not give you the same (wait you are right) they would give Better impacts 

[3rdand12]

9 minutes ago, GG said:

 

They can designate him as a Post-June cut at any time now, but the cap space isn't as big of an issue as roster planning.

 

 

Because they're both average, at best, and they rotate.  You don't spend $16 million for the equivalent of an average DE.

 

But you get two players who can stay fresh all game at 8 per. We know McD likes his rotations, and situational football

 Murphy is pure pass rush and Lawson is more and edge setter who can move inside and get pressure.

 How about 7.4 for each : D

11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

if I could sign one of the 3. Spain it is. He has to be the absolute priority re-signing. 

Thank you.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Tenhigh said:

Who doesn't?

 

He's got bling to pay off. The Iceman doesn't extend credit.

[3rdand12]

11 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

I prefer Bitcoin myself.

 

FWIW, I think that Shaq has played his last down for the Bills. If they thought that this last year was going to make that big of a difference in their decision, they probably would have picked up his 5th year option when they had the chance rather than rolling the dice that he'd get away. Despite what Beane told him about playing hard this year and being rewarded, I honestly believe the Bills had no intention of ever re-signing him. He had  a good year but not the type of year that would make them feel as if he can't be replaced. Maybe I'm misreading the tea leaves. Time will tell.

If McB told him hard work will earn its reward? i would be surprised Sean would BS anyone about anything

[MAJBobby]

If we are going to go get a top end DE in UFA I think it becomes which do you want more on DL in terms of re-signings Phillips or Lawson. 
 

[ExWNYer]

Just now, 3rdand12 said:

If McB told him hard work will earn its reward? i would be surprised Sean would BS anyone about anything

 

I don't think anyone 'BS'd Shaq. I think they were honest with him but probably didn't really believe that he would/could do enough to 'blow their socks off'. Again, I could be wrong. I don't have any empirical evidence one way or the other, that's just my gut feeling.

[skibum]

14 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I definitely would not classify his season as great. I would say His best season. But in terms of other DEs in the NFL it was an avg season maybe above avg. but cannot and will not classify less than double digit sacks as great. 

Not like Hall of Fame great, but for a "run-stopper" who played about 50% of defensive snaps (compared to someone like Joey Bosa who plays 90+), he spent an awful lot of time in the backfield wrecking shop. He was arguably the best DE on a top-5 defense. Someone is going to pay him some loot. 

[Chandler#81]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Is Croom still following the Triple H career plan?

Stephanie!! Funny stuff?

1 hour ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

I wonder if Beane feel like Daryl Johnson has come along enough the take Lawson’s roll in the rotation. That would certainly free up at least a roster spot for an edge rusher in the draft.

Thanks for this. The kid showed a lot more than anyone expected. As long as Beane & his scouting staff stay together, I’ll believe EVERY Draft choice is a likely player.

1 hour ago, OZBILLS said:

 

It feels like every time it's time to pay someone....everyone is like "oh, it's only one good year...let them go".

 

Pay. This. Man :0

You’ve made your point. Let it go.

[3rdand12]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 Do you think a Yannick or Judon would not give you the same (wait you are right) they would give Better impacts 

Be nice to upgrade both Murphy and Lawson.
if Bills can? i suspect they will.
After watching Judon play us? I know what that position should look like.
and as other have made some fine lists, including Bud Dupree etc, if you can get those guys? this is not even worth discussing.

 Bills do not owe Murphy or Lawson a thing. I suspect it is the other way round honestly

 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, skibum said:

Not like Hall of Fame great, but for a "run-stopper" who played about 50% of defensive snaps (compared to someone like Joey Bosa who plays 90+), he spent an awful lot of time in the backfield wrecking shop. He was arguably the best DE on a top-5 defense. Someone is going to pay him some loot. 

And if they do let him walk. Stay true to the value of him if it is 7-9M do it. Anything higher (1. Someone shouldn’t be offering and 2. Too much and walk away. 

[3rdand12]

2 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

I don't think anyone 'BS'd Shaq. I think they were honest with him but probably didn't really believe that he would/could do enough to 'blow their socks off'. Again, I could be wrong. I don't have any empirical evidence one way or the other, that's just my gut feeling.

You and i both work off gut feelings based on eye testing : D

2 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Today is a great day for all of us to use social media for a big fat raise.

If that doesn't work, I will stay home till my demands are met.

 

 

pm  me

 we can meet for coffee at Mcdonalds. only a buck and refills for seniors are free !

[GG]

16 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

But you get two players who can stay fresh all game at 8 per. We know McD likes his rotations, and situational football

 Murphy is pure pass rush and Lawson is more and edge setter who can move inside and get pressure.

 How about 7.4 for each : D

Thank you.

 

No thanks.  I'd rather blow out the cash for a true edge rusher.  Shaq and Murphy can be easily replaced in week 2-3 of FA at half the cost, or Johnson hitting film and weight room in the spring.

 

PS - Spain is worth more to this team than those 2 DLs combined.

Edited January 10, 2020 by GG

[ComradeKayAdams]

There seems to be an unusually large number of quality free agent pass rushers this off-season. I wonder if this will suppress the market value a bit for Lawson and Phillips? Even so, about half of the league's teams are in good enough cap shape where they can throw wild money at a pass rusher if they so choose. 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

His Value is about 8M a year AVV.  If he wants more than that he isn't getting it from ANYONE

 

A 4 year 31M with about 15 GTD is what he is worth

I sure hope Shaq realizes his first 2.5 years in the league count in the eyes of gm's interested in him. He's not getting 9-10M on this year alone.

[NoSaint]

5 minutes ago, KayAdams said:

There seems to be an unusually large number of quality free agent pass rushers this off-season. I wonder if this will suppress the market value a bit for Lawson and Phillips? Even so, about half of the league's teams are in good enough cap shape where they can throw wild money at a pass rusher if they so choose. 

still a long way til they actually hit the market. Will see at least a few tags or extensions 

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

I sure hope Shaq realizes his first 2.5 years in the league count in the eyes of gm's interested in him. He's not getting 9-10M on this year alone.

I would imagine his rookie year counts very little given the injury

 

so this year will be weighted heavily in the evaluation. 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

My hot take: WR in round 1; RB in round 2. I shouldn't want a RB that high, but I can't help myself...

1. Shenault 

2. Jefferson 

3.  Harris

4-5  OL

FA

Hunter Henry 

Yannick Ngakoue

We absolutely cannot afford to score 19 pts/ game ever again if you're chasing Lamar & Mahomes.

[RaoulDuke79]

3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

Can't blame him. Who doesn't want to get paid? With that being said, that's what agents are for not Twitter. 

[starrymessenger]

34 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 Do you think a Yannick or Judon would not give you the same (wait you are right) they would give Better impacts 

 

Havent seen much of Yannick but I've seen a fair bit of Judon over the years. I like Judon. He sees the field a lot and the Ravens tend to  lean on him. He gets lots of tackles and 9.5 sacks is nothing to sneer at. Not clear to me though that he would'nt be more part of a rotation just based on what all McD seems to do with line players. So his totals would likely go down, including possibly even his sack total. Same could be said about Yannick who also gets lots of snaps, more than he might get here. And how much better is 9.5 or 8 sacks over 6.5 (I know 3 and 1.5 respectively). Judon is right now a better player than Shaq but probably not that much better.  Lawson is also trending up IMO and could continue to improve. He should be entering his prime.

If a good one falls to them in the draft I would expect the Bills to pull the trigger on a prospect. If so, I believe they would try to sign Shaq. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

3 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Is that meant as a shot at the Bills??

Why shouldn't it be?  They dissed him by not picking up his option.  Now they'll pay, one way or another.

[Success]

I certainly have no issue w/ that.  NFL careers can be very short - the next contract could be any players last, and what they make has to last them a lifetime.

 

I really hope we keep Shaq.  He was all over the place this year, and really came into his own.  I feel like he was in on so many big plays.  A key cog in this D.

 

 

[LSHMEAB]

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I don’t expect him back as I think McBeane & he differ widely on fair market value. Add to that, some team is so desperate for D-rush, they’ll way over pay. He’s already made very good money from his 1st Round selection, though imo, has only earned it the last season & a half. 

But I’ve been wrong before.

Yeah. I'm not buying that 8 mil figure. I think people are gonna be shocked by the contract he receives. Something in the range of 11-12 mil per is what I expect.

 

If you look at his numbers and trajectory, he actually looks like a rising star. I don't believe that to be the case, but there is going to be some team that looks at his upward trend and view him as something he's not.

 

I can do with or without Shaq. He's a "nice" player. But this is the position I'd really like to see them aggressively address in FA'cy.

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

If we are going to go get a top end DE in UFA I think it becomes which do you want more on DL in terms of re-signings Phillips or Lawson. 
 

 

Is that necessarily so even if Murphy is not with the team in 2020 (and Star and Hughes are gone in 2021)? Replacing an underperforming pass rushing DE with a better one is a good idea IMO esp if you don't have to sacrifice other pieces that are good fits. Having said that I'm not in favour of grossly overpaying anyone.