MAJBobby Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Groin said: If a meddlesome owner, as this set of circumstances suggests, ignored him before, then he's not been setup to succeed. Time will tell, but then again, it's the Browns, and I have zero faith in Haslam being able to field a winner. those are all the well reported facts. Notice he isn’t fired and is going to be with Haslam picking the next coach and GM. About time they actually listen to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Groin said: I believe that Haslam is nuts, fyi. Two words: Sashi Brown. Maybe Sashi- who knows with this team! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Baker Mayfield = Weak Minded Coach/GM Killer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Baker needs to do a commercial about having problems with all his landlords. Baker needs to do a commercial for the Fleet Enema. One would think that it would help. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: I mentioned this earlier in a different thread: Baker Mayfield will be entering his third year as a QB with his fourth head coach, if you consider Greggo as interim for the second half of last year. No wonder he’s a crazy mixed up bad attitude kid. Who doesn’t get on well with others... 2 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Maybe Sashi- who knows with this team! Any relation to Savoy Brown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Really? Reminds me of Tom Modrak. Modrak was GM operating out of Florida. And we ALL know how well that worked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: That is nuts! I can see giving Josh another HC shot but full reigns? So . . . the people who spent a #1 on Johnny Manziel are hot for the guy who spent a #1 on Tim Tebow? Maybe McD can scheme an offense but I don't know why anyone would give him complete control of a franchise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Crazy thing is the Browns have a foundation of talent in place. This can be a good team with the right head coach and GM hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Ennjay said: So . . . the people who spent a #1 on Johnny Manziel are hot for the guy who spent a #1 on Tim Tebow? Maybe McD can scheme an offense but I don't know why anyone would give him complete control of a franchise. The latest is that he doesn’t want complete control, he just wants a say. And didn’t want to report to Dorsey. Browns decided to re-org the power structure so that Dorsey was essentially demoted from having the final say, and gave him the opportunity to stay in that new role , but he decided to leave. Edited December 31, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 ...it's really great theater.......quite the dichotomy.... 1. Jones-Snyder-Haslam: all bought their way in to a "big boy toy" and are still confined to their playpens (Jones has JJ to thank for SB's PERIOD). 2. "Just Gimme The Keys Daddy"-Chargers/Spanos, Cards/Bidwell Jr, Raiders/Davis; how we doing so far? 3. Steven Ross/Stan Kroenke-huh? 4. The Fords/Lions-98 % of all Fords put on the road in the last decade are still on the road today; the other 2% made it home. 5. Steelers-non meddling ownership; 3 HC's in 49 years; six Lombardis on the shlf 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: they have one. They ignored him twice. Just listen to DePodesta. just heard on NFLR. Too bad as he did some good things. Harlem is turning into the next Snyder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, machine gun kelly said: just heard on NFLR. Too bad as he did some good things. Harlem is turning into the next Snyder. This is all you need to see to show how bad the Haslams are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said: Redskins tried that approach when Dan Snyder bought the team and it failed miserably. Who is worse as an owner, Haslam or Snyder? Snyder has a longer track record of *****ery. 36 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: 4. The Fords/Lions-98 % of all Fords put on the road in the last decade are still on the road today; the other 2% made it home. Gold, Jerry! Gold! ? I'm a car guy and have never heard that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: ...I'm a car guy and have never heard that one. sure ya have... Found On Road Dead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Boca BIlls said: I didn't know the hype got that big. Even Vegas was fooled. Just shows how much you need the right staff to make the talent work. Not necessarily. Vegas sets odds based on how they think people will bet, not necessarily how good the teams really are. It's all about the public's perception. Hence why the Bills' over/under this year was 6.5. WE all knew it would be higher, but for the general public that didn't see what was going on here, that's probably right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Ahhh... stability...finally.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Ennjay said: So . . . the people who spent a #1 on Johnny Manziel are hot for the guy who spent a #1 on Tim Tebow? Maybe McD can scheme an offense but I don't know why anyone would give him complete control of a franchise. Im not sure how much input McDaniel had in Tebow it was awhile ago and im too lazy to dig for that info lol but man, the Browns have got to he the most dysfunctional of all NFL teams now. I always thought Baker at 1 overall was pure insanity. 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: No wonder he’s a crazy mixed up bad attitude kid. Who doesn’t get on well with others... Any relation to Savoy Brown? Who is this Savoy you speak of? 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Baker Mayfield = Weak Minded Coach/GM Killer But he can certainly beat a fans ass if he comes down to the tunnel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: The latest is that he doesn’t want complete control, he just wants a say. And didn’t want to report to Dorsey. Browns decided to re-org the power structure so that Dorsey was essentially demoted from having the final say, and gave him the opportunity to stay in that new role , but he decided to leave. Thanks for your reporting on this. It's one of those crazy things you see in football: it makes perfect sense (that Dorsey thinks he can't do his job under these conditions) while at the same time it makes no sense (that Dorsey thinks this is what his job is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Who is this Savoy you speak of? English blues-rock group, mid to late 60s. Good music. Also, a fun band name to bellow when you’re standing inebriated in line, waiting to get in the ‘Locker Room’, Delaware Ave., mid to late 70s. “Sa-VOY BROWN”! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Im not sure how much input McDaniel had in Tebow . . . I'd heard at the time drafting Tebow was his idea. But you never know what to believe -- when something doesn't work out, there's no shortage of leaks from people who want you to know it wasn't their fault. BTW you're absolutely right about everything else you said. Edited December 31, 2019 by Ennjay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...it's really great theater.......quite the dichotomy.... 1. Jones-Snyder-Haslam: all bought their way in to a "big boy toy" and are still confined to their playpens (Jones has JJ to thank for SB's PERIOD). 2. "Just Gimme The Keys Daddy"-Chargers/Spanos, Cards/Bidwell Jr, Raiders/Davis; how we doing so far? 3. Steven Ross/Stan Kroenke-huh? 4. The Fords/Lions-98 % of all Fords put on the road in the last decade are still on the road today; the other 2% made it home. 5. Steelers-non meddling ownership; 3 HC's in 49 years; six Lombardis on the shlf I give credit to the Pegulas for figuring this out. Between the Bills and the Sabres, they realized (eventually) that buying a pro sports franchise doesn't mean you know how to own (meaning operate) one. It took the Rooneys maybe 40 years to figure that out. After previous fiascos (Rex, Brandon, TMurray ....) the Pegulas eventually realized they didn't know what they were doing and got out of the way. I know the Sabres aren't there yet but they're in better shape than they were in two and three years ago. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 37 minutes ago, Ennjay said: I'd heard at the time drafting Tebow was his idea. But you never know what to believe -- when something doesn't work out, there's no shortage of leaks from people who want you to know it wasn't their fault. BTW you're absolutely right about everything else you said. Good memory- mines not so great lol! Thanks and Happy New Years ? 40 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: English blues-rock group, mid to late 60s. Good music. Also, a fun band name to bellow when you’re standing inebriated in line, waiting to get in the ‘Locker Room’, Delaware Ave., mid to late 70s. “Sa-VOY BROWN”! Ah the ole Locker Box hahahaha- ***** I love the name now lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Baker Mayfield = Weak Minded Coach/GM Killer It could be worse, imagine what a cluster it would be if they had drafted Josh Rosen #1. Edited January 1, 2020 by Albany,n.y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Groin said: Brutal? Yes indeed it is. Dorsey apparently threw Kitchens under the bus yesterday, and today he himself got stomped. I'm trying to think of a rational person who would stake their professional reputation on running that organization, and I'm yet to come up with a single name. DePodesta should wear armor on his backside. Indeed. If I were Daboll, I would call back and say "Thanks, I'm Good." If the de facto guy running the organization is out in LaJolla that's just one more barrier to building a working relationship that a new HC does not need 1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said: But he can certainly beat a fans ass if he comes down to the tunnel I'd say that depends on the fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: Snyder has a longer track record of *****ery. Gold, Jerry! Gold! ? I'm a car guy and have never heard that one. But haslam, in addition to being incompetent, is a criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 hours ago, MAJBobby said: So seems it will be one of these three as the next HC. McDaniels Stefanksi McCarthey Where you get this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: But haslam, in addition to being incompetent, is a criminal. I see little hope for the long-suffering Browns fans as long as he is around. I hope I’m wrong as I feel we share similar pain. I’d like to beat them in every ACF Championship game for the next 20 years. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Virgil said: This is what happens when you try to build through FA We have added a lot of free agents. The Patriots signed 19 free agents the offseason prior to Tom Brady's first Super Bowl win. Point being, it can work. In addition, the Browns have had a plethora of picks in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 34 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: It could be worse, imaging what a cluster it would be if they had drafted Josh Rosen #1. We all make mistakes... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Indeed. If I were Daboll, I would call back and say "Thanks, I'm Good." If the de facto guy running the organization is out in LaJolla that's just one more barrier to building a working relationship that a new HC does not need I was thinking exactly the bolded above. When I think of the movie "Gladiator," I think of Joachim Phoenix pointing his thumb downwards on the Browns. In as much as Daboll is likely not a long term solution as OC with the Bills, if he takes that job then that's probably the end for him for a HC gig in the NFL. Edited January 1, 2020 by Groin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...it's really great theater.......quite the dichotomy.... 1. Jones-Snyder-Haslam: all bought their way in to a "big boy toy" and are still confined to their playpens (Jones has JJ to thank for SB's PERIOD). 2. "Just Gimme The Keys Daddy"-Chargers/Spanos, Cards/Bidwell Jr, Raiders/Davis; how we doing so far? 3. Steven Ross/Stan Kroenke-huh? 4. The Fords/Lions-98 % of all Fords put on the road in the last decade are still on the road today; the other 2% made it home. 5. Steelers-non meddling ownership; 3 HC's in 49 years; six Lombardis on the shlf It also helped the Rooney's in that the AFC Central/North was fairly weak during those 49 years. Plenty of down years for the Oiler's, Bengals, and Browns. Kind of like Kraft/Belichick with the AFC East. If the Bills were not dealing with the decline of Ralph Wilson the Bills would have been a bit more competitive from 2000-2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: It also helped the Rooney's in that the AFC Central/North was fairly weak during those 49 years. Plenty of down years for the Oiler's, Bengals, and Browns. Kind of like Kraft/Belichick with the AFC East. If the Bills were not dealing with the decline of Ralph Wilson the Bills would have been a bit more competitive from 2000-2015. I've thought about this for a long time, and I've come to the conclusion that the late Ralph Wilson was the problem. I say this as someone who used to watch Bills games with his grandfather... in 1974, and who watched the perpetual mediocrity of this team throughout the 1970s, absolutely horrible teams from 1984-1986, and the abyss of 2000-2014 (I suppose you could call it 2015). On top of it all he pushed for Rob Johnson to start the Music City Miracle game, which was (and remains) totally outrageous. I'm glad that Ralph Wilson setup a situation where the team remained tied to WNY. Still, not giving him a pass for decades of lost seasons. The trajectory, or lack thereof, of the Bills was the result of Wilson's ownership. Edited January 1, 2020 by Groin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Indeed. If I were Daboll, I would call back and say "Thanks, I'm Good." If the de facto guy running the organization is out in LaJolla that's just one more barrier to building a working relationship that a new HC does not need I'd say that depends on the fan Yes sir, you are correct- there is always someone that can be the administer of lumps and will gladly oblige. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Shocking... LOL the Browns. Dorsey was a bum, bit that baseball guy running the showily guarantee more misery. Analytics!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Shocking... LOL the Browns. Dorsey was a bum, bit that baseball guy running the showily guarantee more misery. Analytics!! There's nothing wrong with analytics, and in MLB smaller market teams have proven that they can win the World Series. However, and that should've been in all caps, the NFL does not have the luxury of data analysis alone as there is no official league to develop talent over X years. This is not to say that data analysis can't work in the league; this is to say that you need a data person to work in tandem with a football person. So what do the Browns do? The wrong thing. So we agree there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Shocking... LOL the Browns. Dorsey was a bum, bit that baseball guy running the showily guarantee more misery. Analytics!! Dorsey is actually a good evaluator of football talent I think. Personality wise, he's apparently kind of a prick. But he does know his football. (do not ask me wherefore that word is not ****d out but the verb "***** victory from the jaws of defeat" is, for I know not.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Groin said: There's nothing wrong with analytics, and in MLB smaller market teams have proven that they can win the World Series. However, and that should've been in all caps, the NFL does not have the luxury of data analysis alone as there is no official league to develop talent over X years. This is not to say that data analysis can't work in the league; this is to say that you need a data person to work in tandem with a football person. So what do the Browns do? The wrong thing. So we agree there. Nice, but small market teams (2 from Missouri) have won 5 WS in the last 30 years. Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: Dorsey is actually a good evaluator of football talent I think. Personality wise, he's apparently a prick. But he does know his football. He's a bit of a clown. Plus, there's no way as GM coming in that you don't tell your slow-witted owner that the first guy out the door is Hue Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Nice, but small market teams (2 from Missouri) have won 5 WS in the last 30 years. Analytics and good management are what brought 5 titles in the first place. We all know the drill in MLB. It's pretty much Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, and a sprinkling of others who end up in the mix. Most of the other teams are DOA, and when you take a deeper look at how they've built their teams, they've done it badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts