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Just find it funny how young coaches can differ from each other. Gase comes off looking very bad and honestly like an entitled, crybaby who makes excuses for anything that goes wrong instead of taking responsibility for them as the "leader" of the team. I don't think anyone on that team views him as a leader.

 

Gase:

-Tells fans he is "rich as F**K!" in response to Twitter criticism. And tells people his "Give a sh** meter is on low" behind closed doors.

-Refuses to work on his shortcomings and has become more emboldened to ignore them since he has gotten a 2nd head coaching job right after being fired. Said he will win his way.

-Him or some family members are expected of having a burner Twitter account to defend him

-Had to be warned by higher up team officials that him acting like a child in response to media criticism reflected poorly on himself and the team. Gase has grudgingly changed how he acted but not his thought process.

-Could care less about the defense and has jogged off the practice field while the D is still practicing or stands on the sidelines with his back to them talking to reporters or other media members. The Jets D does not view him as their leader but Wiliams instead.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-adam-gase-jets-fans-20191224-aqdwksbo5nditexjl65gvdb6ye-story.html%3foutputType=amp

 

McDermott:

-Typically does not engage fans in that way or get into Twitter beefs. Instead he almost always opens his post game pressers by thanking the fans in some way.

-Is constantly preaching self improvement and learning and starts with himself by reading books on leadership, people skills etc and then putting into practice what he learns

-Preaches a family environment where players love and respect each other and the coaches and want to be here.

-Is highly respected not only by the team owners but by outsiders and most media members for the way he treats people in most cases(yeah I know about Fairburns story)

 

Is it any wonder why one coach has succeeded and the other mostly sucked? Why one has a plan with the GM for the and the other just seems to blow in whatever direction the wind blows trying to trade numerous players at the deadline?

 

All I know is the Jets will not be a major threat to us in the division with Gase there. I think the Dolphins will ultimately pass by the Jets also if Gase stays for 3 years...Flores is very well respected by pretty much everyone and especially his players.

 

 

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Colin Cowherd praised the "scowling" coaches yesterday, and McDermott was in the group with the *hoodie, Kyle Shanahan, Harbaugh, et al. I think we are set up for a good run here provided the O gets a little frisky with Josh calling his own shots more often.

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18 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Just find it funny how young coaches can differ from each other. Gase comes off looking very bad and honestly like an entitled, crybaby who makes excuses for anything that goes wrong instead of taking responsibility for them as the "leader" of the team. I don't think anyone on that team views him as a leader.

 

Gase:

-Tells fans he is "rich as F**K!" in response to Twitter criticism. And tells people his "Give a sh** meter is on low" behind closed doors.

-Refuses to work on his shortcomings and has become more emboldened to ignore them since he has gotten a 2nd head coaching job right after being fired. Said he will win his way.

-Him or some family members are expected of having a burner Twitter account to defend him

-Had to be warned by higher up team officials that him acting like a child in response to media criticism reflected poorly on himself and the team. Gase has grudgingly changed how he acted but not his thought process.

-Could care less about the defense and has jogged off the practice field while the D is still practicing or stands on the sidelines with his back to them talking to reporters or other media members. The Jets D does not view him as their leader but Wiliams instead.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-adam-gase-jets-fans-20191224-aqdwksbo5nditexjl65gvdb6ye-story.html%3foutputType=amp

 

McDermott:

-Typically does not engage fans in that way or get into Twitter beefs. Instead he almost always opens his post game pressers by thanking the fans in some way.

-Is constantly preaching self improvement and learning and starts with himself by reading books on leadership, people skills etc and then putting into practice what he learns

-Preaches a family environment where players love and respect each other and the coaches and want to be here.

-Is highly respected not only by the team owners but by outsiders and most media members for the way he treats people in most cases(yeah I know about Fairburns story)

 

Is it any wonder why one coach has succeeded and the other mostly sucked? Why one has a plan with the GM for the and the other just seems to blow in whatever direction the wind blows trying to trade numerous players at the deadline?

 

All I know is the Jets will not be a major threat to us in the division with Gase there. I think the Dolphins will ultimately pass by the Jets also if Gase stays for 3 years...Flores is very well respected by pretty much everyone and especially his players.

 

 

 

What happened with Fairburn and McD?

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7 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

The Jets aren’t devoid of talent though.

 

I don’t like Gase but the team hasn’t appeared to give up on him so there’s that.  

Indeed. They said he's lost the locker room. One can only hope the Jets stick with the guy and they continue to botch Darnold's development. Also, with all of the bad press between trade talks and the handling of medical issues, I doubt any FA really wants to go there. They may quickly become the bottom dwellers of the AFC East. 

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Indeed. They said he's lost the locker room. One can only hope the Jets stick with guy and they continue to botch Darnold's development. Also, with all of the bad press between trade talks and the handling of medical issues, I doubt any FA really want to go there. They may quickly become the bottom dwellers of the AFC East. 

I mean I don’t really pay close attention to Jets football but they did just beat a team fighting for their playoff lives.  

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The Jets aren’t devoid of talent though.

 

I like McDermotts style better as well and don’t like Gase but the team hasn’t appeared to give up on him so there’s that.  

 

Neither is Cleveland.  But like Cleveland they are devoid of leadership.

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What happened with Fairburn and McD?

From what I read/heard, Fairburn spoke openly about some plays/ trick play the Bills were working on, so Sean explained to him in no uncertain terms he was never to do that again. Frankly Fairburn F up and deserved what he got, imo.

 

10-5 baby!

 

Playoff bound!!

 

Go Bills!!!

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22 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

From what I read/heard, Fairburn spoke openly about some plays/ trick play the Bills were working on, so Sean explained to him in no uncertain terms he was never to do that again. Frankly Fairburn F up and deserved what he got, imo.

 

10-5 baby!

 

Playoff bound!!

 

Go Bills!!!

 

Thanks!

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I mean I don’t really pay close attention to Jets football but they did just beat a team fighting for their playoff lives.  

Contrary to anyone's belief. The Steelers are NOT a very good football team. There defense is feisty but their offense is in shambles. The run they made prior to playing the Bills was against who? Arizona, Cle and the Bengals? Playing in Pittsburgh is always a challenge. However when you know the words to Renegade at the start of the 4th qtr. You always have a chance.

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Contrary to anyone's belief. The Steelers are NOT a very good football team. There defense is feisty but their offense is in shambles. The run they made prior to playing the Bills was against who? Arizona, Cle and the Bengals? Playing in Pittsburgh is always a challenge. However when you know the words to Renegade at the start of the 4th qtr. You always have a chance.

Well Cleveland beat the Bills

 

They’ve always historically done well in the second half of the season.  

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Well Cleveland beat the Bills

 

They’ve always historically done well in the second half of the season.  

They played musical chairs with their QB's against the Jets. Their #1 RB is ailing and their is very limited talent behind Connor. Their WR group is banged up and in flux. 

 

Just because The Browns beat the Bills doesn't mean they are any good. Obviously, look at their record. Besides the Steelers beat Cle in Pittsburgh.

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Gase definitely needs more time. He needs to bring in more of "his" guys as they get rid of LeVeon (he's allergic to bell cows) and Jamal (asking to leave now, grant his wish); give it at least 3 years to see how he can mold this team. Just my two cents

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4 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

From what I read/heard, Fairburn spoke openly about some plays/ trick play the Bills were working on, so Sean explained to him in no uncertain terms he was never to do that again. Frankly Fairburn F up and deserved what he got, imo.

 

10-5 baby!

 

Playoff bound!!

 

Go Bills!!!

 

I think what was described rings true.  During the open part of practice, the Bills were working on some fake punts and Fairburn reported on it.  Coach confronted him and went sort of McDeranged, got in his grill and accused him of not being "on the team" mixed in with some profanities.  Fairburn never reported on the exchange because good reporters never want to become part of the story.  This was mixed with the preGiant game postings around the AdPro facility about Shurmur's low bar assessment of Josh Allen.  These were left in places where the press had easy access and McD seemed to be uncomfortable even talking about it after the reporting.

 

My take is that McD is that details kind of guy that the Pegulas wanted their next HC to be.  The thing about people like him is that they think every little detail is important because they believe some small, unforeseen detail can be what gets them beat.  It's the "for want of a nail a kingdom was lost" mindset that defines the style of many successful leaders.  We know Rex is not that type of leader and we know how his Bills teams lost some critical games which left most of us wanting an anti Rex HC.

 

If all of this is as presented, I think Sean was out of line in how he handled it, given that it was in the open part of practice and Fairburn was just doing his job, imo.  He could have made it clear where he thinks the line is without the physical intimidation part but I doubt he would see it that way.  Again, he would see it as some small detail that could get his team beat and that he needed to forcefully address it with crystal clear intent.  I think the Bills are in good hands but would not be surprised if such things happen again.  Thinking of Belichick's staff (+ son) watching the Bills pregame warmup.

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21 hours ago, JimKellyTryouts said:

Gase definitely needs more time. He needs to bring in more of "his" guys as they get rid of LeVeon (he's allergic to bell cows) and Jamal (asking to leave now, grant his wish); give it at least 3 years to see how he can mold this team. Just my two cents

 

This what you came up with AFTER your edit?

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21 hours ago, JimKellyTryouts said:

Gase definitely needs more time. He needs to bring in more of "his" guys as they get rid of LeVeon (he's allergic to bell cows) and Jamal (asking to leave now, grant his wish); give it at least 3 years to see how he can mold this team. Just my two cents

 

Absolutely give him more time.  We'll chalk up 2 wins per year while he's the HC!

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On 12/25/2019 at 3:40 PM, JimKellyTryouts said:

Gase definitely needs more time. He needs to bring in more of "his" guys as they get rid of LeVeon (he's allergic to bell cows) and Jamal (asking to leave now, grant his wish); give it at least 3 years to see how he can mold this team. Just my two cents

Is this another Gase burner account?

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54 minutes ago, JimKellyTryouts said:

 

I had one little grammar correction to make a few seconds after I submitted it; why does an edit matter so much...?

 

No matter?

 

Was just busting your chops about giving Gase more time. Being Bills fans, we should hope he stays in power. Though with Douglas there, I wonder just how much wiggle room he actually has. 

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On 12/25/2019 at 11:40 AM, matter2003 said:

Just find it funny how young coaches can differ from each other. Gase comes off looking very bad and honestly like an entitled, crybaby who makes excuses for anything that goes wrong instead of taking responsibility for them as the "leader" of the team. I don't think anyone on that team views him as a leader.

 

Gase:

-Tells fans he is "rich as F**K!" in response to Twitter criticism. And tells people his "Give a sh** meter is on low" behind closed doors.

-Refuses to work on his shortcomings and has become more emboldened to ignore them since he has gotten a 2nd head coaching job right after being fired. Said he will win his way.

-Him or some family members are expected of having a burner Twitter account to defend him

-Had to be warned by higher up team officials that him acting like a child in response to media criticism reflected poorly on himself and the team. Gase has grudgingly changed how he acted but not his thought process.

-Could care less about the defense and has jogged off the practice field while the D is still practicing or stands on the sidelines with his back to them talking to reporters or other media members. The Jets D does not view him as their leader but Wiliams instead.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-adam-gase-jets-fans-20191224-aqdwksbo5nditexjl65gvdb6ye-story.html%3foutputType=amp

 

McDermott:

-Typically does not engage fans in that way or get into Twitter beefs. Instead he almost always opens his post game pressers by thanking the fans in some way.

-Is constantly preaching self improvement and learning and starts with himself by reading books on leadership, people skills etc and then putting into practice what he learns

-Preaches a family environment where players love and respect each other and the coaches and want to be here.

-Is highly respected not only by the team owners but by outsiders and most media members for the way he treats people in most cases(yeah I know about Fairburns story)

 

Is it any wonder why one coach has succeeded and the other mostly sucked? Why one has a plan with the GM for the and the other just seems to blow in whatever direction the wind blows trying to trade numerous players at the deadline?

 

All I know is the Jets will not be a major threat to us in the division with Gase there. I think the Dolphins will ultimately pass by the Jets also if Gase stays for 3 years...Flores is very well respected by pretty much everyone and especially his players.

 

 

 

 

 

very fair assessment bud....Gase is about GASE..........McDermott is about TEAM.......he's in lock step with McBeane...Jets have been a dumpster since the Woody Johnson/Tannebaum duo......now they have brother Chris Johnson & GM Joe Douglas....oh boy.............

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On 12/25/2019 at 3:40 PM, JimKellyTryouts said:

Gase definitely needs more time. He needs to bring in more of "his" guys as they get rid of LeVeon (he's allergic to bell cows) and Jamal (asking to leave now, grant his wish); give it at least 3 years to see how he can mold this team. Just my two cents

Honestly, I hope they do give him three years! Wouldn't have to worry about Darnold competing with Allen if Gase has ruined Darnold's career.

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What I recall is that from the get go, McDermott was all about the Process and building culture.   It is integral to his coaching style.  In contrast, nothing was mentioned in Miami about culture during Gase's first couple years in Miami.  Then McDermott joined the Bills and began to out play the predictions of prognosticators. So, in 2018 Gase announced to his team and the Media that Miami was going to "change the culture."  It struck me that he seemed to regard that as just another coaching strategy, something he could add to his coaching toolbox to try and make things work.  It didn't and he found himself out of a job.  I believe he has no understanding what culture is really about.  It works for McDermott because it is ingrained in him.  He can't coach any other way.  Culture is about everybody in the organization all pulling the same way, working toward the ultimate team goal.  When Gase was hired by the Jets, he went out and hired a defensive coordinator and offensive coordinator that hate each other - more proof he just doesn't get it.

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On 12/25/2019 at 11:40 AM, matter2003 said:

Just find it funny how young coaches can differ from each other. Gase comes off looking very bad and honestly like an entitled, crybaby who makes excuses for anything that goes wrong instead of taking responsibility for them as the "leader" of the team. I don't think anyone on that team views him as a leader.


Why, just why would you even think to compare these two?

 

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On 12/27/2019 at 3:23 PM, Southern Bills Fan said:

Is this another Gase burner account?

He needs to contact Marroon for advice...

 

I would like to see Gase coach the careening bus that is Cleveland, but better to have him coaching in the AFC East.

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