Todd McShay Mock Draft 1.0 - Video

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

I just don't see the point in getting a WR unless he's significantly bigger than Brown and Beasley. Those guys are good and we need something that they don't have.

Hill doesn't strike me as a contested catch guy. He's a burner.

I have my eyes set on Shenault Jr 

 

that is the WR I want drafted at this point. 

[wppete]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Hey Bills fans meet your new WR 

 

 

 

This is the guy I want. He would be great in our offense. 

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Hey Bills fans meet your new WR 

 

 

he also Runs the ball

 

 

 

Physically he's a Sammy clone 

[The Jokeman]

8 minutes ago, Luka said:

 

6' 1" and 205 is fine but as you alluded to, size isn't everything. We need a receiver that is physical and can make a play on the ball. Our current group gets man handled against defenses like the Steelers and Ravens. Beasley all but disappears and Brown struggled against the Ravens because they were putting hands on him out of his breaks. Someone like Michael Pittman from USC or Tee Higgins from Clemson would be what I would want in the lower part of round 1.

Don't sleep on Antonio-Gandy Golden, that kid smoked UB and has some serious size. 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Physically he's a Sammy clone 

There are a couple others I would like but they are not going to drop to where we are picking 

[MJS]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

Size has it's benefits, and I don't think anyone is arguing that... But size without separation and a play-making knack leads to guys like Laquon Treadwell, and KB and a lot of others that never made it. Same way speed without route running and ball skills leads to the John Ross's and Corey Coleman's of the world. It's all about finding the most complete player. 

 

Tee Higgins is one that I'm beginning to really like if Lamb is gone when we pick (which he likely will be)

I absolutely agree. But I don't want us drafting a small quick receiver high in the draft. If the right big receiver isn't there, draft a different position. Find a guy later that fits the mold. Don't draft a WR just for size, obviously. They have to be a complete package or close to it.

[whatdrought]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Hey Bills fans meet your new WR 

 

 

he also Runs the ball

 

 

 

I have a sneaky suspicion that he will the guy if they get a crack at him and want to go WR, and I wouldn't be mad at all. I think Daboll will fall in love with the idea of running him on sweeps, and in the backfield, and moving him around like a chess piece. 

 

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

Hill doesn't strike me as a contested catch guy. He's a burner.

 

He's definitely a burner, but look at this highlight video:

 

 

 

Look at how many times the ball is hanging in the air between defenders and he goes up and beats them to the catch point. That's contested catches. 

[Luka]

2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Don't sleep on Antonio-Gandy Golden, that kid smoked UB and has some serious size. 

 

Yes.

[MAJBobby]

Couple more just because it is Tuesday 

 

 

 

 

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

I absolutely agree. But I don't want us drafting a small quick receiver high in the draft. If the right big receiver isn't there, draft a different position. Find a guy later that fits the mold. Don't draft a WR just for size, obviously. They have to be a complete package or close to it.

 

But by the same logic- don't NOT draft a WR simply for his size. I want the big, huge catch radius guy if there's one to have... But if Henry Ruggs is there in the late 20's when we pick, I wouldn't hesitate to take him. It's about create an offense with multiple playmakers. If they want to grab a small guy cause he fits what they want to do, and then circle back in the 3rd or 4th for Claypool from ND, or The kid from Liberty. That's great by me. 

[Buffalo Junction]

Just now, MJS said:

Can't just use Kelvin Benjamin as an example. He's out of the league (I think) because he doesn't want to work. His size is what kept him IN the league for so long.

 

There are definately inherent advantages to size. Obviously it isn't everything, but it helps. We need a more physical (and likely bigger) receiver to make plays in games where the refs let defensive backs do whatever they want, like in the Ravens game.

I used Hambone intentionally because of that. Any WR that’s 6’5” and running a 4.3-4.4 is going too 10 unless they have serious red flags. I could have used his Carolina replacements, James Hardy, etc. 

 

I agree with the physical aspect. Our small receivers don’t “play big” a la Brown, OBJ,  Steve Smith Sr, etc. Of course, neither did Benjamin. 
 

Where we’re drafting there will be some knocks on a prospect. Raw, disappears for stretches, shorter, slower, injury history, DII... something. My point was I hope they don’t rule out a 5’11” guy if he’s aggressive and has a big vertical. Those guys often end up being playmakers. A good example from the last draft is Deebo Samuel. Body control, hops, and a willingness to lay out for the ball can make a huge difference. 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

But by the same logic- don't NOT draft a WR simply for his size. I want the big, huge catch radius guy if there's one to have... But if Henry Ruggs is there in the late 20's when we pick, I wouldn't hesitate to take him. It's about create an offense with multiple playmakers. If they want to grab a small guy cause he fits what they want to do, and then circle back in the 3rd or 4th for Claypool from ND, or The kid from Liberty. That's great by me. 

I would like Ruggs think he is gone. 
 

worry about Claypool ability to separate his timed speed at combine gonna be important 

[whatdrought]

17 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

 

Also keep an eye out for Denzel Mims... I have a weird hunch he is the WR that we end up with..

 

Mims is a mid round guy that is super intriguing to me... He just catches the damn football! 

[MJS]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

But by the same logic- don't NOT draft a WR simply for his size. I want the big, huge catch radius guy if there's one to have... But if Henry Ruggs is there in the late 20's when we pick, I wouldn't hesitate to take him. It's about create an offense with multiple playmakers. If they want to grab a small guy cause he fits what they want to do, and then circle back in the 3rd or 4th for Claypool from ND, or The kid from Liberty. That's great by me. 

I get the sentiment, but I would NOT draft a WR high unless he has size. I'd go somewhere else and circle back later for a WR with size. But that's my opinion and Beane likely has his own plan.

[Logic]

I know the Bills are having their best season in 20 years, and I am beyond thrilled about it.

BUT....

I can't wait for this offseason. I guess it's the Bills fan in me, having to look forward to offseasons moreso than seasons the past 20 years. I've also always loved the roster building aspects of football.

With $90 million and 9 draft picks, it's gonna be a really fun lead-up to free agency and the draft.

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

I would like Ruggs think he is gone. 
 

worry about Claypool ability to separate his timed speed at combine gonna be important 

 

Oh yeah, he'll be gone in the top 15 picks, just an example. 

 

As for Claypool, that will be a big knock on him- that and lack of production (though crap QBing can help explain some of that away). The truth is that there just aren't that many 6'3+ 215+ men in the world that are fast enough to run by NFL DB's. There's a short supply of Calvin Johnson's, Mike Evans', and Julio Jones' in the world. So we might not get every attribute that we covet. Give me someone who plays strong, catches what's thrown at him, and is fast enough to make plays at every level, and I'll be happy. 

[Buffalo Junction]

17 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

BOOK IT:  We will TRADE UP in the first round to land a coveted WR for Beane.  Beane is aggressive when it comes to landing what he covets, and there is no way he wont be targeting one of these potential studs that will go before our pick most likely.  This is assuming they are all still expected to go that high...clearly offseason workouts, combines, interviews, and even injuries could easily shift draft expectations for some prospects.  But TODAY...all the top ones are expected to go before where we will likely pick.  

 

The only real variable in my mind for this would be if Beane felt he landed his "guy" in FA...like say AJ Green for example.  If we sign AJ, something I think is a real possibility, then I think its less likely of a trade up unless it was for some other coveted player at another position.  Not saying he wont still draft another WR, even early, just saying I think its less likely he trades up in the first to do so.  

 

I just dont see any way we enter the offseason without WR (and one with at least some size compared to our top 3 guys averaging 5'10") as Beanes number one priority.  

Folks are gonna light torches when he trades up for Epenesa. ?

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

I know the Bills are having their best season in 20 years, and I am beyond thrilled about it.

BUT....

I can't wait for this offseason. I guess it's the Bills fan in me, having to look forward to offseasons moreso than seasons the past 20 years. I've also always loved the roster building aspects of football.

With $90 million and 9 draft picks, it's gonna be a really fun lead-up to free agency and the draft.

buy the edge. Draft the weapons. 

[MJS]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

I know the Bills are having their best season in 20 years, and I am beyond thrilled about it.

BUT....

I can't wait for this offseason. I guess it's the Bills fan in me, having to look forward to offseasons moreso than seasons the past 20 years. I've also always loved the roster building aspects of football.

With $90 million and 9 draft picks, it's gonna be a really fun lead-up to free agency and the draft.

It's going to be tough to make the team again. We're going to cut a lot of players that will get scooped up by other teams, similar to this past off-season. Maybe we can trade some more scrubs for low draft picks again too...

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

I get the sentiment, but I would NOT draft a WR high unless he has size. I'd go somewhere else and circle back later for a WR with size. But that's my opinion and Beane likely has his own plan.

 

That's fair. And if the top of the draft see's 3-5 WR's go, we might be better off waiting. 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

Oh yeah, he'll be gone in the top 15 picks, just an example. 

 

As for Claypool, that will be a big knock on him- that and lack of production (though crap QBing can help explain some of that away). The truth is that there just aren't that many 6'3+ 215+ men in the world that are fast enough to run by NFL DB's. There's a short supply of Calvin Johnson's, Mike Evans', and Julio Jones' in the world. So we might not get every attribute that we covet. Give me someone who plays strong, catches what's thrown at him, and is fast enough to make plays at every level, and I'll be happy. 

that’s what the combine will tell me if he is that

[whatdrought]

7 minutes ago, Logic said:

I know the Bills are having their best season in 20 years, and I am beyond thrilled about it.

BUT....

I can't wait for this offseason. I guess it's the Bills fan in me, having to look forward to offseasons moreso than seasons the past 20 years. I've also always loved the roster building aspects of football.

With $90 million and 9 draft picks, it's gonna be a really fun lead-up to free agency and the draft.

 

I'm right there with you... Color me a nerd, but I keep a running Mock offseason in my phone and whenever I'm bored at work or can't sleep, I'll scout players and try to build an offseason that fixes all the Bills problems. I've been doing this for years, and it's a lot more fun when the problems are less, and the draft picks are lower.

 

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Folks are gonna light torches when he trades up for Epenesa. ?

 

Aside from not loving large trade ups (more than 5 picks) - I wouldn't hate that. He's gonna be good- He reminds me of Cam Jordan. If we're sitting in the mid 20's and he falls to 15, I wouldn't mind trading up to grab him. 

 

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

that’s what the combine will tell me if he is that

 

Yeah. His athleticism drills (40, 3cone, shuttle) could really add like 1.5 rounds to his stock and take him from a mid third to a late 1. 

Edited December 17, 2019 by whatdrought

[Albany,n.y.]

51 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

this is higher than I have seen him going, but I he's gonna be a big riser during the process, so it wouldn't surprise me. 

The mock draft has the Bills higher than I see them drafting, so the fit may work out.  

[whatdrought]

Just now, Albany,n.y. said:

The mock draft has the Bills higher than I see them drafting, so the fit may work out.  

 

 

True, he might be a good fit at pick 31...

[RyanC883]

48 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

I would break something if they take a corner. And I would be pretty ticked if they took an edge rusher too, but I would understand it. 

 

An edge rusher makes more sense here.  The WR class is deep, and getting another short, speedy WR makes little scene.  If Tee Higgins is here, I'd take him.  

[Albany,n.y.]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

 

True, he might be a good fit at pick 31...

Are the Patriots losing their 1st pick for videogate so they'll only be 31 1st rounders?  

[RyanC883]

9 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Oh yeah, he'll be gone in the top 15 picks, just an example. 

 

As for Claypool, that will be a big knock on him- that and lack of production (though crap QBing can help explain some of that away). The truth is that there just aren't that many 6'3+ 215+ men in the world that are fast enough to run by NFL DB's. There's a short supply of Calvin Johnson's, Mike Evans', and Julio Jones' in the world. So we might not get every attribute that we covet. Give me someone who plays strong, catches what's thrown at him, and is fast enough to make plays at every level, and I'll be happy. 

 

the "Knock" on Fitz coming out of college was the "speed to separate."   I agree we won't get every attribute.  I think the 40 is overrated.  The ability to run concise routes like Fitz does creates separation, as does being big and catching what is thrown to you.  

[MAJBobby]

8 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

I'm right there with you... Color me a nerd, but I keep a running Mock offseason in my phone and whenever I'm bored at work or can't sleep, I'll scout players and try to build an offseason that fixes all the Bills problems. I've been doing this for years, and it's a lot more fun when the problems are less, and the draft picks are lower.

 

 

Aside from not loving large trade ups (more than 5 picks) - I wouldn't hate that. He's gonna be good- He reminds me of Cam Jordan. If we're sitting in the mid 20's and he falls to 15, I wouldn't mind trading up to grab him. 

 

 

Yeah. His athleticism drills (40, 3cone, shuttle) could really add like 1.5 rounds to his stock and take him from a mid third to a late 1. 

I would also pick into the WR position group multiple times. As we really only have 2 WRs right now. 

Edited December 17, 2019 by MAJBobby

[Buffalo Junction]

3 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Aside from not loving large trade ups (more than 5 picks) - I wouldn't hate that. He's gonna be good- He reminds me of Cam Jordan. If we're sitting in the mid 20's and he falls to 15, I wouldn't mind trading up to grab him.

I can see Beane making a move similar to the Edmunds trade with Baltimore to nab Epenesa. I’d be supportive. It would effectively finish off our front 7 and put us in a decent spot as Hughes ages. 
 

All of this is borderline futile without knowing where we’re drafting, who’s declaring for the draft, available FAs, and resigned and tagged players. It’s exciting though. Particularly because this team is close.... We don’t need to pray for home runs for success.  

[WhoTom]

Remember when all we had to talk about in December was next year's draft?

 

I don't miss those days.

 

 

[whatdrought]

7 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Are the Patriots losing their 1st pick for videogate so they'll only be 31 1st rounders?  

 

 

Precisely. 

[mannc]

37 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

Hill doesn't strike me as a contested catch guy. He's a burner.

I've seen a TON of Chiefs games in the past 4 years and I don't think I've ever seen him drop a pass.

[TPS]

1 hour ago, bobobonators said:

That last sentence. 
 

A cornerback with our first pick when we have White and Wallace? Geeze. Is that the standard finishing sentence used for every team, or does he actually think we need a corner?

I can see them taking a CB after the first two rounds, not before.  Edge and WR in the first two.

[mannc]

38 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

I have a sneaky suspicion that he will the guy if they get a crack at him and want to go WR, and I wouldn't be mad at all. I think Daboll will fall in love with the idea of running him on sweeps, and in the backfield, and moving him around like a chess piece. 

 

 

He's definitely a burner, but look at this highlight video:

 

 

 

Look at how many times the ball is hanging in the air between defenders and he goes up and beats them to the catch point. That's contested catches. 

Ridiculous

[st pete gogolak]

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

 

I mean, he's 6'1 and 205. That isn't small small. It's not huge, but I think it's easy to get too focused on height. We need a bigger guy, yes, but we need first and foremost, someone who can consistantly make plays. My WR wish list is as follows: 

 

1- CeeDee Lamb, Oaklahoma

2- Jerry Juedy, Alabama

3- Henry Ruggs, III Alabama

4a- Tee Higgins, Clemson

4b- Laviska Shenault, Colorado 

 

After that there are a lot of guys with second round grades who I haven't really figured out who I like best.  

 

 

This is a great look at the top of the WR class for 2020:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2864432-ranking-the-top-10-wide-receivers-of-potentially-historic-2020-nfl-draft-class

A few years ago, we needed a "big" receiver and chose James Hardy over Desean Jackson.  There's a lesson in there somewhere.

[st pete gogolak]

I was thrilled with Oliver and Ford, being a "build from the trenches out" guy.  But with perfect 20/20 hindsight, drafting DK Metcalf instead of Ford makes this entire thread moot.

[BringBackOrton]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

I would love to see us trade out of the first round and pick up a 2021 1st rounder. 

 

Something like this?

 

Bills: 1st + 5th + 6th + 6th

 

for

 

2nd, 4th + 2021 1st

 

We'd have the following picks and still room to maneuver up and down the board.

 

2nd

2nd

3rd

4th

4th

5th

6th

 

Also keep an eye out for Denzel Mims... I have a weird hunch he is the WR that we end up with..

Why?

[Sherlock Holmes]

Just trade that pick towards McCaffrey or Kupp instead then...

[JGMcD2]

6 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Why?

Why trade back? There is a ton of WR talent, so much so that folks are claiming there are 10+ guys that have first round talent, and we’re picking at the back of the first round so moving back to the second round isn’t a huge deal. 
 

Picking up a future first allows us to add an impact player next year for cheap... it will become important because we’re not going to be able to resign all of our players forever... going to need to replace through the draft once we starting handing extensions out to core guys like Tre, Poyer, Milano, Edmonds, Allen, Dawkins etc. 

 

Replace players like Lotulelei, Hughes, Murphy, maybe Hyde (I think he gets a huge pay day from someone else or at least has a chance to). 

Edited December 17, 2019 by JGMcD2

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, JGMcD2 said:

Why trade back? There is a ton of WR talent, so much so that folks are claiming there are 10+ guys that have first round talent, and we’re picking at the back of the first round so moving back to the second round isn’t a huge deal. 
 

Picking up a future first allows us to add an impact player next year for cheap... it will become important because we’re not going to be able to resign all of our players forever... going to need to replace through the draft once we starting handing extensions out to core guys like Tre, Poyer, Milano, Edmonds, Allen, etc. 

Folks might be “claiming” that but it’s not true. There is a drop off at WR after the top 5 guys. 

 

Why wouldn’t we want an impact player for cheap this year? We have $90M in space, very few FA’s coming up and you want to punt on the first round to save money? What was the pain of 2018 for if we are gonna try to save cash in 2019?