MAJBobby Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, MJS said: I just don't see the point in getting a WR unless he's significantly bigger than Brown and Beasley. Those guys are good and we need something that they don't have. Hill doesn't strike me as a contested catch guy. He's a burner. I have my eyes set on Shenault Jr that is the WR I want drafted at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 17, 2019 Author Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Hey Bills fans meet your new WR This is the guy I want. He would be great in our offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Hey Bills fans meet your new WR he also Runs the ball Physically he's a Sammy clone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Luka said: 6' 1" and 205 is fine but as you alluded to, size isn't everything. We need a receiver that is physical and can make a play on the ball. Our current group gets man handled against defenses like the Steelers and Ravens. Beasley all but disappears and Brown struggled against the Ravens because they were putting hands on him out of his breaks. Someone like Michael Pittman from USC or Tee Higgins from Clemson would be what I would want in the lower part of round 1. Don't sleep on Antonio-Gandy Golden, that kid smoked UB and has some serious size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Physically he's a Sammy clone There are a couple others I would like but they are not going to drop to where we are picking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: Size has it's benefits, and I don't think anyone is arguing that... But size without separation and a play-making knack leads to guys like Laquon Treadwell, and KB and a lot of others that never made it. Same way speed without route running and ball skills leads to the John Ross's and Corey Coleman's of the world. It's all about finding the most complete player. Tee Higgins is one that I'm beginning to really like if Lamb is gone when we pick (which he likely will be) I absolutely agree. But I don't want us drafting a small quick receiver high in the draft. If the right big receiver isn't there, draft a different position. Find a guy later that fits the mold. Don't draft a WR just for size, obviously. They have to be a complete package or close to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Hey Bills fans meet your new WR he also Runs the ball I have a sneaky suspicion that he will the guy if they get a crack at him and want to go WR, and I wouldn't be mad at all. I think Daboll will fall in love with the idea of running him on sweeps, and in the backfield, and moving him around like a chess piece. 3 minutes ago, MJS said: Hill doesn't strike me as a contested catch guy. He's a burner. He's definitely a burner, but look at this highlight video: Look at how many times the ball is hanging in the air between defenders and he goes up and beats them to the catch point. That's contested catches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Don't sleep on Antonio-Gandy Golden, that kid smoked UB and has some serious size. Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Couple more just because it is Tuesday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, MJS said: I absolutely agree. But I don't want us drafting a small quick receiver high in the draft. If the right big receiver isn't there, draft a different position. Find a guy later that fits the mold. Don't draft a WR just for size, obviously. They have to be a complete package or close to it. But by the same logic- don't NOT draft a WR simply for his size. I want the big, huge catch radius guy if there's one to have... But if Henry Ruggs is there in the late 20's when we pick, I wouldn't hesitate to take him. It's about create an offense with multiple playmakers. If they want to grab a small guy cause he fits what they want to do, and then circle back in the 3rd or 4th for Claypool from ND, or The kid from Liberty. That's great by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just now, MJS said: Can't just use Kelvin Benjamin as an example. He's out of the league (I think) because he doesn't want to work. His size is what kept him IN the league for so long. There are definately inherent advantages to size. Obviously it isn't everything, but it helps. We need a more physical (and likely bigger) receiver to make plays in games where the refs let defensive backs do whatever they want, like in the Ravens game. I used Hambone intentionally because of that. Any WR that’s 6’5” and running a 4.3-4.4 is going too 10 unless they have serious red flags. I could have used his Carolina replacements, James Hardy, etc. I agree with the physical aspect. Our small receivers don’t “play big” a la Brown, OBJ, Steve Smith Sr, etc. Of course, neither did Benjamin. Where we’re drafting there will be some knocks on a prospect. Raw, disappears for stretches, shorter, slower, injury history, DII... something. My point was I hope they don’t rule out a 5’11” guy if he’s aggressive and has a big vertical. Those guys often end up being playmakers. A good example from the last draft is Deebo Samuel. Body control, hops, and a willingness to lay out for the ball can make a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: But by the same logic- don't NOT draft a WR simply for his size. I want the big, huge catch radius guy if there's one to have... But if Henry Ruggs is there in the late 20's when we pick, I wouldn't hesitate to take him. It's about create an offense with multiple playmakers. If they want to grab a small guy cause he fits what they want to do, and then circle back in the 3rd or 4th for Claypool from ND, or The kid from Liberty. That's great by me. I would like Ruggs think he is gone. worry about Claypool ability to separate his timed speed at combine gonna be important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Also keep an eye out for Denzel Mims... I have a weird hunch he is the WR that we end up with.. Mims is a mid round guy that is super intriguing to me... He just catches the damn football! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: But by the same logic- don't NOT draft a WR simply for his size. I want the big, huge catch radius guy if there's one to have... But if Henry Ruggs is there in the late 20's when we pick, I wouldn't hesitate to take him. It's about create an offense with multiple playmakers. If they want to grab a small guy cause he fits what they want to do, and then circle back in the 3rd or 4th for Claypool from ND, or The kid from Liberty. That's great by me. I get the sentiment, but I would NOT draft a WR high unless he has size. I'd go somewhere else and circle back later for a WR with size. But that's my opinion and Beane likely has his own plan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I know the Bills are having their best season in 20 years, and I am beyond thrilled about it. BUT.... I can't wait for this offseason. I guess it's the Bills fan in me, having to look forward to offseasons moreso than seasons the past 20 years. I've also always loved the roster building aspects of football. With $90 million and 9 draft picks, it's gonna be a really fun lead-up to free agency and the draft. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: I would like Ruggs think he is gone. worry about Claypool ability to separate his timed speed at combine gonna be important Oh yeah, he'll be gone in the top 15 picks, just an example. As for Claypool, that will be a big knock on him- that and lack of production (though crap QBing can help explain some of that away). The truth is that there just aren't that many 6'3+ 215+ men in the world that are fast enough to run by NFL DB's. There's a short supply of Calvin Johnson's, Mike Evans', and Julio Jones' in the world. So we might not get every attribute that we covet. Give me someone who plays strong, catches what's thrown at him, and is fast enough to make plays at every level, and I'll be happy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: BOOK IT: We will TRADE UP in the first round to land a coveted WR for Beane. Beane is aggressive when it comes to landing what he covets, and there is no way he wont be targeting one of these potential studs that will go before our pick most likely. This is assuming they are all still expected to go that high...clearly offseason workouts, combines, interviews, and even injuries could easily shift draft expectations for some prospects. But TODAY...all the top ones are expected to go before where we will likely pick. The only real variable in my mind for this would be if Beane felt he landed his "guy" in FA...like say AJ Green for example. If we sign AJ, something I think is a real possibility, then I think its less likely of a trade up unless it was for some other coveted player at another position. Not saying he wont still draft another WR, even early, just saying I think its less likely he trades up in the first to do so. I just dont see any way we enter the offseason without WR (and one with at least some size compared to our top 3 guys averaging 5'10") as Beanes number one priority. Folks are gonna light torches when he trades up for Epenesa. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Logic said: I know the Bills are having their best season in 20 years, and I am beyond thrilled about it. BUT.... I can't wait for this offseason. I guess it's the Bills fan in me, having to look forward to offseasons moreso than seasons the past 20 years. I've also always loved the roster building aspects of football.With $90 million and 9 draft picks, it's gonna be a really fun lead-up to free agency and the draft. buy the edge. Draft the weapons. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Logic said: I know the Bills are having their best season in 20 years, and I am beyond thrilled about it. BUT.... I can't wait for this offseason. I guess it's the Bills fan in me, having to look forward to offseasons moreso than seasons the past 20 years. I've also always loved the roster building aspects of football. With $90 million and 9 draft picks, it's gonna be a really fun lead-up to free agency and the draft. It's going to be tough to make the team again. We're going to cut a lot of players that will get scooped up by other teams, similar to this past off-season. Maybe we can trade some more scrubs for low draft picks again too... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, MJS said: I get the sentiment, but I would NOT draft a WR high unless he has size. I'd go somewhere else and circle back later for a WR with size. But that's my opinion and Beane likely has his own plan. That's fair. And if the top of the draft see's 3-5 WR's go, we might be better off waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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