Reported: Mason Rudolph accused of using racial slur prior to brawl-Steelers deny

[RaoulDuke79]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Mason should sue him for defamation if he’s making it up. That’s something that will be tied to his reputation now. 

The race card gets thrown around so freely these days, I think this allegation will come to pass and probably have little impact on his reputation. 

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

They should give him an additional 6 games for being and rabble rousing #######.

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Can you perjure yourself at an NFL appeals hearing?

 

You can fib, and they can put you in timeout. 

[OZBILLS]

Waiting for the Shaun King narrative that the Racist Rudolph is still an employed QB and Kap, who is 100 times better than Rudolph, is still unemployed.

 

 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Augie said:

 

You can fib, and they can put you in timeout. 

Yes, but the poster I responded to used a well defined legal term as grounds for further action and it's not the same as 'lying to your boss'.

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Yes, but the poster I responded to used a well defined legal term as grounds for further action and it's not the same as 'lying to your boss'.

 

I realize that. I’m just not getting too picky about the term. He won’t go to jail, but a little jail time might be better than missing an extra 4 games with those checks on the line. I understand the difference, and I’m sure he does too. It’s just a throw-away type comment. Not a big deal to me, or I suspect him. Just the wrong term used. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Mike Garafolo said it to Andrew Siciliano during TNF First Look show. (Garafolo sited league spokesman Brian McCarthy as his source)

 

Edit:  Linky found:

 

https://thespun.com/nfl/afc-north/cleveland-browns/nfl-issues-statement-on-myles-garretts-accusation

 

Welp, Then.

 

I don't know how conclusive they can be, but it sounds like "weak sauce" on Garrett's part.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I realize that. I’m just not getting too picky about the term. He won’t go to jail, but a little jail time might be better than missing an extra 4 games with those checks on the line. I understand the difference, and I’m sure he does too. It’s just a throw-away type comment. Not a big deal to me, or I suspect him. Just the wrong term used. 

I won't speak for the other poster, but I suspect he understands what perjury is and used it deliberately.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

26 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Can you perjure yourself at an NFL appeals hearing?

 

Good question.  I guess it depends upon whether they ask him to swear or affirm that his written and verbal statements are true?

Just pulling definitions:

Wiki:

Perjury is the intentional act of swearing a false oath or falsifying an affirmation to tell the truth, whether spoken or in writing, concerning matters material to an official proceeding.

Merriam Webster:

: the voluntary violation of an oath or vow either by swearing to what is untrue or by omission to do what has been promised under oath : false swearing

 

So it apparently doesn't necessarily have to involve a legal proceeding, but it has to involve swearing or affirming to be truthful then, not.

[Ta111]

27 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

The race card gets thrown around so freely these days, I think this allegation will come to pass and probably have little impact on his reputation. 

They should give him an additional 6 games for being and rabble rousing #######.

Don’t be surprised if they tack something on for lying and trying to ruin a guys reputation.

[Kirby Jackson]

39 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

The NFL has had the ongoing Kaepernick saga, the Antonio Brown thing...I'm pretty sure they aren't concerned about being accused of racism by Myles Garrett. If anything they're delighted to have something other than CTE to talk about.

Believe me, the last thing that the NFL wants is to be looked at as an environment that fosters this behavior. Garrett knows that. That’s exactly why he went there. If they try to drag out his suspension he will get louder and louder about them enabling that. He will get into Kaep. He will have people jumping to his side left and right and taking an “anti-NFL” stance.

The NFL is terrified of that. Look at the ratings after Kaep. It’s the first time that they had taken a hit in forever. This is Garrett’s play. That’s why he did this. No one will ever know what was said there. What we do know is that the NFL, with a 70% black work force, doesn’t want to have people looking at it as a racist organization. This is Garrett’s leverage. “I will shut up if you let me back on the field.” That’s his play to not have this extend into next season.

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, Ta111 said:

Still doesn’t “explain” his actions. You don’t have the right to assault someone because of something they said.

 

No offense intended here, but no *****

[Mr. WEO]

Of course he made the racial thing up---but it wouldn't have mattered if Rudolph had said whatever--it would have no bearing on the punishment because the act itself isn't mitigated by the victim saying bad words.

 

It was a hopeless lie all along.

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Believe me, the last thing that the NFL wants is to be looked at as an environment that fosters this behavior. Garrett knows that. That’s exactly why he went there. If they try to drag out his suspension he will get louder and louder about them enabling that. He will get into Kaep. He will have people jumping to his side left and right and taking an “anti-NFL” stance.

The NFL is terrified of that. Look at the ratings after Kaep. It’s the first time that they had taken a hit in forever. This is Garrett’s play. That’s why he did this. No one will ever know what was said there. What we do know is that the NFL, with a 70% black work force, doesn’t want to have people looking at it as a racist organization. This is Garrett’s leverage. “I will shut up if you let me back on the field.” That’s his play to not have this extend into next season.

 

The NFL easily bought off Kaep.  They would not bow to Garret's ludicrous claim.

 

They've made billions since Kaep walked out of his last contract.

[C.Biscuit97]

26 minutes ago, OZBILLS said:

Waiting for the Shaun King narrative that the Racist Rudolph is still an employed QB and Kap, who is 100 times better than Rudolph, is still unemployed.

 

 

I mean it’s true. 

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean it’s true. 

 

'cept for the whole racist thing.

 

Minor detail and all

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Believe me, the last thing that the NFL wants is to be looked at as an environment that fosters this behavior. Garrett knows that. That’s exactly why he went there. If they try to drag out his suspension he will get louder and louder about them enabling that. He will get into Kaep. He will have people jumping to his side left and right and taking an “anti-NFL” stance.

The NFL is terrified of that. Look at the ratings after Kaep. It’s the first time that they had taken a hit in forever. This is Garrett’s play. That’s why he did this. No one will ever know what was said there. What we do know is that the NFL, with a 70% black work force, doesn’t want to have people looking at it as a racist organization. This is Garrett’s leverage. “I will shut up if you let me back on the field.” That’s his play to not have this extend into next season.

The idea that the decline in NFL ratings was due to Kaepernick has been pretty thoroughly debunked (here and here...and elsewhere tbh). And the bolded is incorrect, NFL revenue has continued its pretty stable growth patter over the last decade or so.

 

The NFL doesn't care about the perception that they're racist; they care about the perception that football is killing the players. 

[Kirby Jackson]

17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Of course he made the racial thing up---but it wouldn't have mattered if Rudolph had said whatever--it would have no bearing on the punishment because the act itself isn't mitigated by the victim saying bad words.

 

It was a hopeless lie all along.

 

The NFL easily bought off Kaep.  They would not bow to Garret's ludicrous claim.

 

They've made billions since Kaep walked out of his last contract.

No one is saying that they “bow to him.” Just saying that they don’t want Garrett, and in turn others, talking about whether the NFL is racist. They don’t want that to be the topic on Get Up or Colin Cowherd in February. They don’t want people making this case. They’d rather it go away. Garrett can continue to talk about it and get louder and louder. He can start bringing others to his side to talk about it. The NFL does not want this as a topic of conversation. I’ll GUARANTEE that Garrett doesn’t let this go away if they don’t let him back at the beginning of 2020. He will make all kinds of accusations.
 

Let’s understand the political environment that we know live in. We live in a divided country on pretty much everything. There no longer needs to be facts to support your assertions. You just need people to be on your side. This isn’t about “will the NFL bow to Garrett?” It’s about “does the NFL want to be dragged through the mud or is it easier to just let him back at the start of 2020?” 

Edited November 21, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

'cept for the whole racist thing.

 

Minor detail and all

I didn’t the Read the rest of that nonsense. But CK would make the Steelers a better team. 

[JoshAllin]

so neither was mic'd up? myles should get extra suspension for lying

[thebandit27]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

I didn’t the Read the rest of that nonsense. But CK would make the Steelers a better team. 

 

If--and only if--he was truly focused on football, and not the side interests that were clearly greater than his football priorities the last year in which he played.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

It's sad to me that our society has gotten to a point where I can't even tell if this is a joke or not... 

 

As long as you can still find a way to be offended. That’s what’s important here. 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

The idea that the decline in NFL ratings was due to Kaepernick has been pretty thoroughly debunked (here and here...and elsewhere tbh). And the bolded is incorrect, NFL revenue has continued its pretty stable growth patter over the last decade or so.

 

The NFL doesn't care about the perception that they're racist; they care about the perception that football is killing the players. 

The NFL cares about EVERYTHING that potentially endangers their business!! Every business is like that!!! No restaurant says, “we don’t care about our health code violations because we are too busy caring about the cost of seafood.” You don’t just care about 1 issue!! You care about everything that potentially jeopardizes you.

Edited November 21, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[Augie]

1 minute ago, motorj said:

so neither was mic'd up? myles should get extra suspension for lying

 

But you can’t prove it. 

 

I, for one, would be annoyed with the NFL if they do “bow” to Garrett for this nonsense. Of course, I think he should be allowed to play beginning next season anyway, so I guess it’s a moot point. 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

But you can’t prove it. 

 

I, for one, would be annoyed with the NFL if they do “bow” to Garrett for this nonsense. Of course, I think he should be allowed to play beginning next season anyway, so I guess it’s a moot point. 

I think you mean “mute” point. You must be new here

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The NFL cares about EVERYTHING that potentially endangers their business!! Every business is like that!!! No restaurant says, “we don’t care About our health code violations because we are too busy caring about the cost of seafood.” You don’t just care about 1 issue!! You care about everything that potentially jeopardizes you.

 

On the list of things that the NFL worries about potentially endangering their business, public outcry over institutionalized NFL racism engendered by Myles I-hit-people-over-the-head-with-their-own-helmets Garrett's appeal is waaaaaaaaay down the list.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think you mean “mute” point. You must be new here

 

My iPad must have messed that up. My deepest apologies if it unnerved you. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

37 minutes ago, Ta111 said:

Don’t be surprised if they tack something on for lying and trying to ruin a guys reputation.

 

I would be surprised if the NFL took action.

 

Here's the thing: these guys are playing with a TON of adrenaline kicking through their body.  The memory does strange things in those circumstances.  Then there's the question of ordinary people being able to be persuaded or persuade themselves in hindsight that something happened, which objective evidence says did not.

 

Do you happen to remember that film of Jerry Hughes going down the tunnel dissing off the refs?  Then later when asked about it, he said "I did that?  When did I do that?" and people thought he was being disingenuous, but it could have been true. 

 

Garrett could, at this point in time legit believe something was said and that's what triggered him to be so "extra".

 

 

15 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think you mean “mute” point. You must be new here

 

Do you know what kind of puppy you get if you cross an Alaskan Malamute with an English Pointer?

[Mr. WEO]

8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No one is saying that they “bow to him.” Just saying that they don’t want Garrett, and in turn others, talking about whether the NFL is racist. They don’t want that to be the topic on Get Up or Colin Cowherd in February. They don’t want people making this case. They’d rather it go away. Garrett can continue to talk about it and get louder and louder. He can start bringing others to his side to talk about it. The NFL does not want this as a topic of conversation. I’ll GUARANTEE that Garrett doesn’t let this go away if they don’t let him back at the beginning of 2020. He will make all kinds of accusations.
 

Let’s understand the political environment that we know live in. We live in a divided country on pretty much everything. There no longer needs to be facts to support your assertions. You just need people to be on your side. This isn’t about “will the NFL bow to Garrett?” It’s about “does the NFL want to be dragged through the mud or is it easier to just let him back at the start of 2020?” 

 

 

The NFL just demonstrated that they could not say "F YOU" fast enough to Garrett's race card play today.  They spanked it immediately.  His accusations were quickly ignored after they proved baseless.

 

They clearly are not concerned and won't be cowed by this lame claim.  Next year, his bogus claim will certainly have even less impact than it did not have today.  They survived Kaepernick with minor cuts, as they see it.  They certainly aren't going to worry about a completely unsympathetic figure who is determined to build a career upon delivering dirty hits to NFL players.

[Phil The Thrill]

15 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No one is saying that they “bow to him.” Just saying that they don’t want Garrett, and in turn others, talking about whether the NFL is racist. They don’t want that to be the topic on Get Up or Colin Cowherd in February. They don’t want people making this case. They’d rather it go away. Garrett can continue to talk about it and get louder and louder. He can start bringing others to his side to talk about it. The NFL does not want this as a topic of conversation. I’ll GUARANTEE that Garrett doesn’t let this go away if they don’t let him back at the beginning of 2020. He will make all kinds of accusations.
 

Let’s understand the political environment that we know live in. We live in a divided country on pretty much everything. There no longer needs to be facts to support your assertions. You just need people to be on your side. This isn’t about “will the NFL bow to Garrett?” It’s about “does the NFL want to be dragged through the mud or is it easier to just let him back at the start of 2020?” 

If this is Garett’s strategy to get back in the NFL, it’s pretty despicable 

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Do you know what kind of puppy you get if you cross an Alaskan Malamute with an English Pointer?

A mute pointer?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

A mute pointer?

 

Close...."a mute point, a dog preferred by...well, it really doesn't matter anyway"

[frostbitmic]

They did seem to be jawing at each other when Rudolph tried removing Garrett's helmet. I wasn't in the center of that melee so I have no opinion on which one is lying.

[Kirby Jackson]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

The NFL just demonstrated that they could not say "F YOU" fast enough to Garrett's race card play today.  They spanked it immediately.  His accusations were quickly ignored after they proved baseless.

 

They clearly are not concerned and won't be cowed by this lame claim.  Next year, his bogus claim will certainly have even less impact than it did not have today.  They survived Kaepernick with minor cuts, as they see it.  They certainly aren't going to worry about a completely unsympathetic figure who is determined to build a career upon delivering dirty hits to NFL players.

Again, it’s a cost - benefit analysis. “Is it easier to reinstate him week 1 or have him making more allegations?” The answer, imo, is it is absolutely easier for them to cut a deal with him that if he lets this go he will be back week 1. Garrett accusing them of racism certainly isn’t going to hurt his chance of coming back sooner. The longer he is out the louder he will get. This was the strategic play by he and his people. We won’t know how it will work out for a long time. He has nothing to lose but a little more dignity. He’s the guy that just hit someone over the head with a helmet. He didn’t have a lot of character stock to lose.

19 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

On the list of things that the NFL worries about potentially endangering their business, public outcry over institutionalized NFL racism engendered by Myles I-hit-people-over-the-head-with-their-own-helmets Garrett's appeal is waaaaaaaaay down the list.

Well, we have no idea what the “NFL list of concerns” looks like. That’s an assumption based on nothing. We do know that they want to “protect the shield.” That’s all-encompassing.

 

It’s not one or the other. “We don’t want players to hit each other over the head with helmets OR we don’t want to be considered racist.” They don’t want EITHER.

Edited November 21, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Well, we have no idea what the “NFL list of concerns” looks like. That’s an assumption based on nothing. We do know that they want to “protect the shield.” That’s all-encompassing.

It's an assumption based on my interpretation of the league's priorities, supported by statistics related to ratings and revenue I posted earlier. You have a different opinion based equally on 'nothing', except your nothing was supported by an inaccurate depiction of the NFL's television ratings. 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

It's an assumption based on my interpretation of the league's priorities, supported by statistics related to ratings and revenue I posted earlier. You have a different opinion based equally on 'nothing', except your nothing was supported by an inaccurate depiction of the NFL's television ratings. 

 

 

My assumption is a safe one. I assume that the NFL worries about EVERYTHING that is negative to them. Every business in the world is the same in that sense. If the NFL can eliminate multiple problems at once, they will. 

[OZBILLS]

 

He's doubling down

[whatdrought]

1 hour ago, Sundancer said:

 

The response pretty much sums up using what "some guy" says on Twitter as a source for anything. 

 

Yes, because the idea of non-evidentiary judgement isn’t one openly practiced in our society right now. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

My assumption is a safe one. I assume that the NFL worries about EVERYTHING that is negative to them. Every business in the world is the same in that sense. If the NFL can eliminate multiple problems at once, they will. 

 

So your theory is Myles Garrett will continue to use the argument that Rudolph allegedly slurred him as a way to end his suspension? And that the NFL will somehow be so worried about the optics that they'll cave? We have different definitions of safe assumptions, I think that's unlikely at best.

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

So your theory is Myles Garrett will continue to use the argument that Rudolph allegedly slurred him as a way to end his suspension? And that the NFL will somehow be so worried about the optics that they'll cave? We have different definitions of safe assumptions, I think that's unlikely at best.

 

 

Yeah, in some ways that’s what I’m saying. I’m not saying “cave” as in not punish him. I’m saying “cave” as in they will allow him back at the start of next year. The NFL just doesn’t want this in the offseason:

 

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Can you perjure yourself at an NFL appeals hearing?

good question. I have to think the testimony is all under oath. Even if it isn’t a crime, they probably have a rule that making false statements in those hearings could result in discipline. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

18 minutes ago, OZBILLS said:

 

He's doubling down

I was about to say the same thing. Crazy.