Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 You need good WR's but you don't have to spend 1st round picks on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Same can be said for EVERY position on the field. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 We should save our first round picks for what position then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 18, 2019 Author Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: We should save our first round picks for what position then? Honestly, OL or DL. They need some talent on the edge of the DL. Edited November 18, 2019 by Buffalo_Stampede 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Honestly, OL or DL. Do a list of how many first round picks were spent on OL or DL for the last couple Super Bowl winners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I would honestly love a compilation where I get to see isolated video of every single of one Beasley's routes in a game. We need to be game planning around him like NE does with Edelman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Having good players never hurts. Add M Thomas, Hopkins, J Jones, etc to this team and they are clearly better. Do you have to have one to win? No. But you could say the same for any position. It is a team sport. You need some form of balance and/or really good players that enable you to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Those were all great WRs. Having great seasons. No it's not vital to have a hall of fame #1, but options 2--5 can't be practice squad level bad. Our #3 wr three weeks ago was literally just on the practice squad. Need WRs and DEs here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Honestly, OL or DL. They need some talent on the edge of the DL. Ok right now we are projected with the 26th pick. Here are some players around that value. Tee Higgins, WR (4th rated WR) Laviska Shenault, WR (5th rated WR) Marvin Wilson, IDL (3rd Rated IDL - weaker IDL class) Yetur Gross-Matos, DE (4th Rated DE) Julian Okwara, DE (5th rated DE) So based on looking at it right now based on where we are projected to pick it looks like DE or WR to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 We need more playmakers that is undeniable. Against the really good teams that have multiple DBs like (Balt, NE etc.) guys who can smother a receiver group we are in trouble. As our receiving unit goes.. so goes Josh Allen. Not many if any QBs who can win against a really good team without multiple playmakers. I mean a couple years ago, the Packers had a group who couldn't get open, and whenever they played a shutdown team even Aaron wasn't enough. John Brown has been great, but don't for a minute think when we play Baltimore, we will have receivers creating separation like yesterday. Even yesterday early in the game, before a couple injuries, our guys were getting little separation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 18, 2019 Author Share Posted November 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Those were all great WRs. Having great seasons. No it's not vital to have a hall of fame #1, but options 2--5 can't be practice squad level bad. Our #3 wr three weeks ago was literally just on the practice squad. Need WRs and DEs here. We need to add at least 1 WR to Brown and Beasley but how we add him doesn't have to be a 1st round pick. I think continuing to build the OL may even help Allen more than a WR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: We should save our first round picks for what position then? BPA at a position of need. Prob DE as they go off the board first, and we have Hughes not getting any younger, an ineffective Murphy at RDE, and Shaq who may test FA. Then BPA at DB, WR, LB, or OL...could go in a lot of directions. As far as receivers go they just need to focus on a bigger, physical receiver, who catches with his hands, highpoints, catches contested throws. Something like a Duke Williams who has been riding the pine while Daboll rolls out the speedy Smurf corps. Would love to know what the deal is with that because he seemed like he was developing some chemistry with Allen and was throwing great downfield blocks. Then it was healthy scratch, healthy scratch, healthy scratch... Did he take a dump on Daboll's desk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, WideNine said: BPA at a position of need. Prob DE as they go off the board first, and we have Hughes not getting any younger, an ineffective Murphy at RDE, and Shaq who may test FA. Then BPA at DB, WR, LB, or OL...could go in a lot of directions. As far as receivers go they just need to focus on a bigger, physical receiver, who catches with his hands, highpoints, catches contested throws. Something like a Duke Williams who has been riding the pine while Daboll rolls out the speedy Smurf corps. Would love to know what the deal is with that because he seemed like he was developing some chemistry with Allen and was throwing great downfield blocks. Then it was healthy scratch, healthy scratch, healthy scratch... Did he take a dump on Daboll's desk? What if BPA is a WR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 The patriots run of extended success has skewed a lot of these though. Did you know 4 of the last 6 super bowls have been won by QBs drafted in the 3rd round or later (in jest). I don't think it is a secret that you need to have a top quality qb over any other position. I think DE is as big a need as WR but it doesn't mean that WR isn't a need. If Allen was a Brady/Rodgers/P Manning level talent then sure but he isn't... yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 18, 2019 Author Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Ok right now we are projected with the 26th pick. Here are some players around that value. Tee Higgins, WR (4th rated WR) Laviska Shenault, WR (5th rated WR) Marvin Wilson, IDL (3rd Rated IDL - weaker IDL class) Yetur Gross-Matos, DE (4th Rated DE) Julian Okwara, DE (5th rated DE) So based on looking at it right now based on where we are projected to pick it looks like DE or WR to me It's really early. Obviously they probably take best available based on roster need, but really this thread is about what is needed to develop Allen best. He doesn't need a top elite WR to get to where we want him to be. He needs a solid group, which he doesn't have right now. We definitely need to add to the WR depth, but it can be mid round picks or even another mid level free agent like Brown and Beasley were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I agree with the OP. There are not enuf Julios or Hopkins to go around. Brown and Beasley are not HOF guys obviously but they very significantly upgraded our WR corps. Where would we, and Josh, be without them. We need to upgrade again in 2020, not at all necessarily with an "elite" player (though that would be nice) but with good to very good players who bring different above average skillsets to the table to address the different requirements presented by different game situations. With any luck they should be able to do that. This O also needs another RB. There is plenty of evidence that again, with some luck, you can find a really good one in the mid to late rounds. O-line obviously needs some attention, but if the Bills can address those needs, and if Daboll can settle down with better talent and properly implement his offence you could quite easily see a much more potent and consistent performance next year on that side of the ball. That's when and where I would expect a major step forward for Allen and his teammates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I agee, we dont need that true diva stud WR. With two good WRs, what we really need is a Plaxico Buress in his prime type guy....maybe only 45 or 50 catch type dude but a jump ball guy get TD numbers. I think we need this for 3rd down type stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: What if BPA is a WR? Usually a defensive player, and we have a defensive-minded HC. WR...I don't see happening as the first Bills pick, but you can bookmark this post and see if I am right after the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It's really early. Obviously they probably take best available based on roster need, but really this thread is about what is needed to develop Allen best. He doesn't need a top elite WR to get to where we want him to be. He needs a solid group, which he doesn't have right now. We definitely need to add to the WR depth, but it can be mid round picks or even another mid level free agent like Brown and Beasley were. I think Allen has a solid group around him. However he needs that elite player that takes the pressure off the other players and opens up the offense. A guy he can throw that 50-50 ball too and you can expect him to make a tough play. I will say that I would prefer an elite DE over WR any day of the week though. Edited November 18, 2019 by billieve420 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It's really early. Obviously they probably take best available based on roster need, but really this thread is about what is needed to develop Allen best. He doesn't need a top elite WR to get to where we want him to be. He needs a solid group, which he doesn't have right now. We definitely need to add to the WR depth, but it can be mid round picks or even another mid level free agent like Brown and Beasley were. Different ways. I personally would go with say Higgins. Brown/Higgins- Outside Beasley - Slot Knox - TE That is a legit wide Offense. Us the UFA to go and buy your pass rush. (granted it is early but much better options here than in the draft or WR options with the likes of Clowney Ansah Ngakoue Lawson Also some Nice DEs with the 2nd rd round grade in draft too. Way to early to be talking about this, but a nice Stud WR will help Allen and the offense more than not. Heck tell m a DK Metcalf or a Courtland Sutton (Both future elite WRs) would not be legit Edited November 18, 2019 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted November 18, 2019 Author Share Posted November 18, 2019 Just now, billieve420 said: I think Allen has a solid group around him. However needs that elite player that takes the pressure off the other players and opens up the offense. We need speed. They're definitely looking for speed outside. I still think Foster can be that guy. He's just not the route runner they want him to be yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 This is a team where it would make sense to target a DE/WR/OL and move up to get them to complete your team and give them that piece they need to really make a mark on the post season The year the Bills did that to go get Watkins scratch my head even thought the management thought the team was in the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Team needs : WR, DE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, WideNine said: Something like a Duke Williams who has been riding the pine while Daboll rolls out the speedy Smurf corps. Would love to know what the deal is with that because he seemed like he was developing some chemistry with Allen and was throwing great downfield blocks. Then it was healthy scratch, healthy scratch, healthy scratch... Did he take a dump on Daboll's desk? Duke injured his shoulder October 20th vs Miami & was sat out of practice & then a limited participant since. Thats what made him inactive Week 7 & 8. But now that he's healthy, we've been going with the speedy guys for more jet sweeps & stuff like that. I have to think he gets activated at some point during this stretch coming up. If he doesn't, i'll take a dump on Daboll's desk & post the picture here on TBD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Team needs : WR, DE 1. WR 2. DE 3. OT 4. CB 5. LB IMO With Levi Wallace making the case to move CB up to #2 or #3 on a weekly basis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Different ways. I personally would go with say Higgins. Brown/Higgins- Outside Beasley - Slot Knox - TE That is a legit wide Offense. Us the UFA to go and buy your pass rush. (granted it is early but much better options here than in the draft or WR options with the likes of Clowney Ansah Ngakoue Lawson Also some Nice DEs with the 2nd rd round grade in draft too. Way to early to be talking about this, but a nice Stud WR will help Allen and the offense more than not. Heck tell m a DK Metcalf or a Courtland Sutton (Both future elite WRs) would not be legit Next to zero chance Clowneu hits FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: We need speed. They're definitely looking for speed outside. I still think Foster can be that guy. He's just not the route runner they want him to be yet. I won't disagree with the profile, but we have speed. I think it is or should also be a matter of route discipline and where Josh is as a QB. A good route runner creates separation with quickness in and out of his breaks, but that also requires Allen to throw it right before he comes out of his breaks to take advantage of the separation before a DB recovers. Allen has gotten better with that, but is not quite there with the consistency. That may be the reason Daboll has preferred to use guys who can create more separation that Allen can visually confirm rather than guys who can catch contested throws into tight windows. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Next to zero chance Clowneu hits FA not sure of their cap situation there. But likely he doesn’t. Just like Cooper likely doesn’t either. That is why I say go into the draft for your top end WR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I think there’s a major gap between Brown & Beasley. Zay obviously wasn’t the answer. Duke Williams hasn’t been terrible but to me isn’t the answer. He’s too slow to do the things they want to do to run such a multiple offensive scheme. And McKenzie is a great little gadget guy, and solid backup for the slot position, but they need another outside guy big time. Foster is not the answer out there that many of us hoped either. Whether 1st or 2nd Round, or free agency or trade, I do believe it’s a position that must be addressed. Right now you can double John Brown, throw another corner on Beasley, and we can be stopped. Knox and Singletary are nice options, but they’re still too early in their development, and we need someone who can work the outside of the field, spread the defense horizontally opposite Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboTronic Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: We should save our first round picks for what position then? OL & DL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: We should save our first round picks for what position then? Long Snapper, Kicker or Punter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla03 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 thats not why we need a #1 WR John Brown is 31 and Beasley is 30. and outside of those 2 its practice squad talent at the position. WR needs to be top priority heading into next offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: We should save our first round picks for what position then? OL/DL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tesla03 said: thats not why we need a #1 WR John Brown is 31 and Beasley is 30. and outside of those 2 its practice squad talent at the position. WR needs to be top priority heading into next offseason. Brown is 29 http://www.nfl.com/player/johnbrown/2543847/profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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