Jason Whitlock may be on to something..

[Protocal69]

I don't always agree with Whitlock but he might have just sealed it for me that McDermott is the coach to lead us to the top and Whitlock doesn't even know it.

Listen at the 11:10 mark if the video is not coded at that mark.Mark Schlereth took it home. All I could think of was McDermott. I think they are right.

 

 #Keepthefaith

Edited November 6, 2019 by Protocal69

[JinxedBill]

You mean a team first guy, someone who puts players on the team that care for each other like a brotherhood.  Want to be there for each other.

 

If faith is that then so be it.  The Christian part is a plus.  I’ve been with brothers overseas and we were a family without having religious faith but faith in each other.  

 

Culture is everything.  Culture is the word your looking for.  Just my 2 cents.

[Protocal69]

4 minutes ago, JinxedBill said:

You mean a team first guy, someone who puts players on the team that care for each other like a brotherhood.  Want to be there for each other.

 

If faith is that then so be it.  The Christian part is a plus.  I’ve been with brothers overseas and we were a family without having religious faith but faith in each other.  

 

Culture is everything.  Culture is the word your looking for.  Just my 2 cents.

Well you are right the faith does not have to come from religion but sometimes the religion is what bring the people together but the main ingredient is the faith and that come from many sources, religion being one of them. Talent is important but it definitely not end all be all.  

[stuvian]

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

sorry  What a waste of time even skipping 10 minutes 

 

I should have read the hashtag and known

 

God and faith has nothing to do with football.  Just ask Tim Tebow.  

 

[Protocal69]

Just now, SlimShady'sGhost said:

sorry  What a waste of time even skipping 10 minutes 

 

I should have read the hashtag and known

 

God and faith has nothing to do with football.  Just ask Tim Tebow.  

 

Tim Tebow was not the coach, nor did he have talent. If you think faith in your coaches and teammates does not matter then I don't know what you say. 

[Tcali]

16 minutes ago, stuvian said:

ernest angely)

8 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

Tim Tebow was not the coach, nor did he have talent. If you think faith in your coaches and teammates does not matter then I don't know what you say. 

Tim Tebow had tons of talent---Just not at QB. Ive seen High School QBs with much stronger arms

He coulda been a pro bowl TE or Fullback.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Religion is one of mankind’s oldest ways to unite, galvanize and Sheppard people.

 

Religious people by definition are willing to put their faith and belief in something (that no matter what you belive isn’t easy to prove) and those same people allow the rules of that construct dictate their habits and lives. That probably coincides with very coachable team oriented personalities. 

 

 

[eball]

Forget about religion.  Schlereth hit the nail on the head.  When the players believe that the coach truly cares about them, you have a true leader.  Religion or "faith" is just a vehicle.

 

And yes, I believe McD is such a coach.

[Protocal69]

3 minutes ago, Tcali said:

ernest angely)

Tim Tebow had tons of talent---Just not at QB. Ive seen High School QBs with much stronger arms

He coulda been a pro bowl TE or Fullback.

Right. When I said talent it should have obvious I was referring QB. I always thought it was funny that for a guy who said he loves football  that he thought that he was too good to play any other position.

[Halloween Land]

21 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Religion is one of mankind’s oldest ways to unite, galvanize and Sheppard people.

 

Religious people by definition are willing to put their faith and belief in something (that no matter what you belive isn’t easy to prove) and those same people allow the rules of that construct dictate their habits and lives. That probably coincides with very coachable team oriented personalities. 

 

 

Someone saying that they are a Christian or religious is one thing and believing in God is another, but following through is the key and it is a battle!

[blitzboy54]

19 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Religion is one of mankind’s oldest ways to unite, galvanize and Sheppard people.

 

Religious people by definition are willing to put their faith and belief in something (that no matter what you belive isn’t easy to prove) and those same people allow the rules of that construct dictate their habits and lives. That probably coincides with very coachable team oriented personalities. 

 

 

 

Religious people also seem to go out of their way to pat themselves on the back for their faith.  I've met too many crappy people that use their faith as an example of why they are not crappy people. I have met too many people of faith that hate people that are different than them.  This thread will get shut down but I want to be on the record before it does that in my experience I have met more awful people that say God comes first than almost any other group.  

 

 

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

I can handle Spirituality . I have nothing to do with religion/Christianity. 

 

whatever he's doing, he seems to have this team united and with a family type atmosphere. just win football games, I don't really care about your faith, just win.

 

 

[Magox]

28 minutes ago, eball said:

Forget about religion.  Schlereth hit the nail on the head.  When the players believe that the coach truly cares about them, you have a true leader.  Religion or "faith" is just a vehicle.

 

And yes, I believe McD is such a coach.

100%

 

For those that dont believe that "culture" isnt a real thing, as I've said before and I will continue to say it, you've never been deeply ingrained or truly part of a successful organization or program.

 

It's real and it starts from the top and built from those that surround it.

[tumaro02]

43 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

sorry  What a waste of time even skipping 10 minutes 

 

I should have read the hashtag and known

 

God and faith has nothing to do with football.  Just ask Tim Tebow.  

 

Using Tim Tebow out of the tens of thousands of NFL players who have strong faith and belief in God who proclaim it and live by it and have/had highly successful careers is on its own about as weak an argument as I have ever heard for a counterpoint. The definition of faith is simply "the substance of things hoped for". Maybe consider  looking up words you don't know the meaning of but think you do would be helpful.

[Halloween Land]

10 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said:

 

Religious people also seem to go out of their way to pat themselves on the back for their faith.  I've met too many crappy people that use their faith as an example of why they are not crappy people. I have met too many people of faith that hate people that are different than them.  This thread will get shut down but I want to be on the record before it does that in my experience I have met more awful people that say God comes first than almost any other group.  

 

 

 

Yeah I agree. Some religious people put themselves on a pedestal and think that they are better than everyone else. Like I'm a Christian but a normal one meaning, if I want to have a beer or listen to heavy rock music or lust over hot girls then I most certainly will. 

[cage]

49 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

sorry  What a waste of time even skipping 10 minutes 

 

I should have read the hashtag and known

 

God and faith has nothing to do with football.  Just ask Tim Tebow.  

 

 

I think you missed the point.  See @eball comment a few below yours.  I'm not particularly religious, but the Whitlock is worth listening to on this...

[thenorthremembers]

51 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

sorry  What a waste of time even skipping 10 minutes 

 

I should have read the hashtag and known

 

God and faith has nothing to do with football.  Just ask Tim Tebow.  

 

Tim Tebow was supposed to be born with such deformities his parents were told to abort him.   Id say he did ok and faith played a huge part in how fair he made it with limited ability.  He was an incredible leader.

[billsfan1959]

11 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said:

 

Religious people also seem to go out of their way to pat themselves on the back for their faith.  I've met too many crappy people that use their faith as an example of why they are not crappy people. I have met too many people of faith that hate people that are different than them.  This thread will get shut down but I want to be on the record before it does that in my experience I have met more awful people that say God comes first than almost any other group.  

 

 

 

 

"Crappy" or "Awful" people come from all walks of life. And for those that come from religious perspectives, it is not their religious beliefs that make them awful people. They are awful people who distort their religious beliefs to fit their own psychology. 

[GG]

43 minutes ago, Tcali said:

ernest angely)

 

He was always a fun watch back in the day

[PlayoffsPlease]

McDermott has had better results that Dick Jauron, Chan Gailey or Rex Ryan.  Kudos to him for that. 

He has not had better results than Bill Belichek,  Mike Tomlin, Andy Reid, or John Harbaugh. The AFC has couple of true clown coaches right now with Kitchens and Gase. 

 

The other head coaches in the AFC:

Flores  - not big enough body of work to really judge.  he shows promise 
Vrabel - Results similar to McDermott

Gruden - notwithstanding the mocking, he actually has a solid track record
Reich - hard to argue he is not doing at least as well as McDermott
Zac Taylor - not big enough body of work to really judge , seems horrible though
Bill O'Brien - another guy heavily mocked. His team has 6 wins and seems ok though this year.
Doug Marrone - has been the Jags head coach about as long as McDermott. Made a championship game in that time. Would not want him here again. 
Vic Fangio - Broncos not big enough body of work to really judge.

its not clear that McDermott is anything more (or anything less) than middle of the pack in the AFC among head coaches. 

If the Bills had the absolute best talent in the AFC, I would say McDermott is good enough to give the Bills a 50/50 shot to win the AFC championship.   If the Bills have middle of the pack talent, then I expect McDermott to have middle of the pack results. 

[Olympus]

I think Whitlock had a really good point on this, but I don't think he communicated it well. I don't think Christianity is a requirement for a football head coach, but I think faith is very important. Whether it be a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew, or anything in between, I think what's important is having the unquestioned leader of your football team to be an example of selfless faith. Every head coach wants their players to sacrifice their own pride for the betterment of something that's bigger than one person. As someone with a strong faith in Christ, McDermott breeds a productive culture of accountability and creates an environment where the whole building has the same self-expectations.

[PlayoffsPlease]

1 minute ago, Olympus said:

I think Whitlock had a really good point on this, but I don't think he communicated it well. I don't think Christianity is a requirement for a football head coach, but I think faith is very important. Whether it be a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew, or anything in between, I think what's important is having the unquestioned leader of your football team to be an example of selfless faith. Every head coach wants their players to sacrifice their own pride for the betterment of something that's bigger than one person. As someone with a strong faith in Christ, McDermott breeds a productive culture of accountability and creates an environment where the whole building has the same self-expectations.

If winning is the end goal, would you say that Bill Belichick has the strongest faith for building a football culture?

[Mark80]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

sorry  What a waste of time even skipping 10 minutes 

 

I should have read the hashtag and known

 

God and faith has nothing to do with football.  Just ask Tim Tebow.  

 

 

Tim Tebow has more playoff wins than our entire franchise since Jan 1, 1996.  People always lament how little talent he had a QB on the NFL level.  If he doesn't inspire people, please explain this to me then.

Edited November 6, 2019 by Mark80

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Protocal69 said:

Tim Tebow was not the coach, nor did he have talent. If you think faith in your coaches and teammates does not matter then I don't know what you say. 

 

faith .. you said it was all about faith.

 

Next question Who's FAITH?     Christian?  Conservative? Baptist?  Muslim?  

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

33 minutes ago, blitzboy54 said:

 

Religious people also seem to go out of their way to pat themselves on the back for their faith.  I've met too many crappy people that use their faith as an example of why they are not crappy people. I have met too many people of faith that hate people that are different than them.  This thread will get shut down but I want to be on the record before it does that in my experience I have met more awful people that say God comes first than almost any other group.  

 

 

 

 

Absolutey- I was trying to be diplomatic myself there. 

 

If you want an example of how faith can be a bad thing but still a control mechanism of blind faith, history and the present world are  littered with examples. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

59 minutes ago, eball said:

Forget about religion.  Schlereth hit the nail on the head.  When the players believe that the coach truly cares about them, you have a true leader.  Religion or "faith" is just a vehicle.

 

And yes, I believe McD is such a coach.

 

AMEN Brother ....     Right on !!!!! 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

If winning is the end goal, would you say that Bill Belichick has the strongest faith for building a football culture?

 

I might say that now; however, if you looked at Belichick's record at the same point as McDermott's, where Belichick had five fewer wins, you might say McDermott did.

[Olympus]

Just now, PlayoffsPlease said:

If winning is the end goal, would you say that Bill Belichick has the strongest faith for building a football culture?

In my uneducated opinion, the way Belichick runs the patriots is definitely different, but with some noticeable similarities. It appears like Belichick is constantly void of the emotional aspect of the game, and is robotically logical about the sport. I STILL think that Belichick wanted to trade Tom Brady and keep Garoppolo for the net gain of draft picks and a negligible drop-off in ability (with a much longer outlook), but I think Kraft stepped in and gave Tom Brady what was in Kraft's opinion owed to Tom. In Belichick's opinion, no one person was more important than the Patriots, and if you can do something that benefits where your faith lies than you do it, and you exercise your emotional discipline.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

26 minutes ago, tumaro02 said:

Using Tim Tebow out of the tens of thousands of NFL players who have strong faith and belief in God who proclaim it and live by it and have/had highly successful careers is on its own about as weak an argument as I have ever heard for a counterpoint. The definition of faith is simply "the substance of things hoped for". Maybe consider  looking up words you don't know the meaning of but think you do would be helpful.

 

It was the most recognized person ...   tebowing was a thing 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Olympus]

1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

It was the most recognized person ...   tebowing was a thing 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That pesky Tim Tebow and his incessant kneeling. I JUST WANT TO WATCH FOOTBALL.

[PlayoffsPlease]

1 minute ago, Olympus said:

In my uneducated opinion, the way Belichick runs the patriots is definitely different, but with some noticeable similarities. It appears like Belichick is constantly void of the emotional aspect of the game, and is robotically logical about the sport. I STILL think that Belichick wanted to trade Tom Brady and keep Garoppolo for the net gain of draft picks and a negligible drop-off in ability (with a much longer outlook), but I think Kraft stepped in and gave Tom Brady what was in Kraft's opinion owed to Tom. In Belichick's opinion, no one person was more important than the Patriots, and if you can do something that benefits where your faith lies than you do it, and you exercise your emotional discipline.  

I consider myself a faithful Christian.   But it is very clear there is no demonstrable correlation between the depth of coaches religious faith and winning football teams.  It neither diminishes or increases a coaches success level.   

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, eball said:

Forget about religion.  Schlereth hit the nail on the head.  When the players believe that the coach truly cares about them, you have a true leader.  Religion or "faith" is just a vehicle.

 

And yes, I believe McD is such a coach.

 

I don't even know McDermott but I would run through a wall (nothing stronger than dry wall) for him.

[PlayoffsPlease]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I don't even know McDermott but I would run through a wall (nothing stronger than dry wall) for him.

I would be willing to clap vigorously while you did that. 

[Olympus]

3 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

I consider myself a faithful Christian.   But it is very clear there is no demonstrable correlation between the depth of coaches religious faith and winning football teams.  It neither diminishes or increases a coaches success level.   

I agree with you and I don't think there is a direct correlation with Christianity and good football coaching. HOWEVER, I do think that the personality traits of a -->GOOD<-- Christian has some overlap with the personality traits of a good leader of men. Though this is not specific to Christianity and more specific to general faith, and X's and O's are still more important than a head coaching applicant's faith, but with only 32 of these jobs available in the entire world ideally a head coach will have a majority of the desirable traits.

Just now, Olympus said:

I agree with you and I don't think there is a direct correlation with Christianity and good football coaching. HOWEVER, I do think that the personality traits of a -->GOOD<-- Christian has some overlap with the personality traits of a good leader of men. Though this is not specific to Christianity and more specific to general faith, and X's and O's are still more important than a head coaching applicant's faith, but with only 32 of these jobs available in the entire world ideally a head coach will have a majority of the desirable traits.

IE you shouldn't have to hire the head coach that the dolphins just fired.

[PlayoffsPlease]

2 minutes ago, Olympus said:

I agree with you and I don't think there is a direct correlation with Christianity and good football coaching. HOWEVER, I do think that the personality traits of a -->GOOD<-- Christian has some overlap with the personality traits of a good leader of men. Though this is not specific to Christianity and more specific to general faith, and X's and O's are still more important than a head coaching applicant's faith, but with only 32 of these jobs available in the entire world ideally a head coach will have a majority of the desirable traits.

One personality trait that is desirable in a Christian (IMHO) is rigidly adhering to the tenets of the faith, even if cultural trends, change some of those tenets from popular to unpopular.   I think the most successful coaches have been pretty flexible and changing things as their talent changes.   One concern I have with McDermott is that he has a "system" and wants talent to fit the system, and is not really able to optimize his approach to the game to fit the talent available. 

 

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

sorry  What a waste of time even skipping 10 minutes 

 

I should have read the hashtag and known

 

God and faith has nothing to do with football.  Just ask Tim Tebow.  

 

 

There are countless athletes in the NFL who feel their faith was a big part of helping them overcome obstacles in their lives to reach the NFL - as well as continuing to play a big part in who they are. So, I think there are numerous people in the NFL that would disagree with you.

[RiotAct]

 

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

I would be willing to clap vigorously while you did that. 

 

Have you ever clapped vigorously for more than like 5 seconds?  It actually starts really stinging the hands after about 5 seconds...

So I would be very appreciative if you did this for me. 

[Buffalo Junction]

The religious aspect isn’t necessarily a critical component. The point is that most often great leaders display faith in something bigger than an individual. They lead with strength, resolve, compassion, respect, accountability, and empathy. A humanist can certainly display these traits through an atheist worldview. They inspire a feeling of brotherhood and a universal faith in those around them.... a belief that “we will succeed”. Belichick has inspired that belief through success. There isn’t a player in the NFL that believes BB would put the pats in a losing situation for personal gain. Faith exists in many ways... It’s the hope and belief in ones self, and those around ones self, that can lead to success when things are going poorly: it can inspire perseverance. 

Edited November 6, 2019 by Buffalo Junction