So how many here still believe in THE PROCESS? The big lie....

[TwistofFate]

7 minutes ago, H2o said:

And like I said, people who have always been Allen detractors will continue to be Allen detractors p***ing and moaning along the way no matter what growth he shows or the results on the field. 

What growth?? 

 

7 ints and 8 fumbles in 7 games? 

 

You seem to believe a couple good drives against crap teams in the 4th quarter negates the the rest of his body of work....I don't. 

[wagon127]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Obviously the first two believe in it.......  

 

The point is this was a .500 team prior and let's hear how it was so so bad a team.....  

 

No the Bills are not Cleveland (see their record the last 20 years).

 

 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/index.htm

 

Sorry if I expect more...... 

 

 

I expect more too. 10-6 or 11-5 will be a damn good record by the end of the year. I believe that is the next stage of the process. If that's not good enough for you, come March is another free agency with lots of cap room to improve this team some more. Most of the players on this team have never had a 10 or 11 win season in the NFL. You can't expect them to win every game.

[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

3tds and 350 yards.  This is a pass first, offensive driven league.   You cant expect your defense to play lights out every week, and when they have a bad week you lose and lise badly.   Thats not balance. 

 

Losses suck, but they are inevitable.  Its how you lost that matters.   10 straight incompletions and 3 fumbles is not how you want to lose. 

 

350 and 3tds???  Losing on a game winning drive?   Acceptable in my eyes. 

You're not allowed to say that here where McClappity preaches 14-10 games......  

 

Remember "Trust the Process"

 

Again as usual you are missing the point.  This is a QB driven league and the Bills need to know whether Allen is the guy (& I think he is).

 

However they don't give him any real weapons, an offensive game plan that is based on scoring points and have yes had a cupcake schedule so no one knows for sure.

 

I love the Bills and want to see them win, want exciting offensive football and to see results more like the LA Rams & SF 49'ers who re-built and have immediate success, then this Process that next thing we know may be year 4, 5 6..........    

 

I'm happy the Bills are 5-2, just not thrilled with their play for the most part.

[Billsflyer12]

17 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

In the Process I trust. 

 

Crap games happen.  Don't pretend the Eagles are the dregs of the NFL 

Isn’t this the point, the Eagles are good and the Bills got their a** kicked at home.  I understand they can only play the schedule they are given, but when they do play a better team they need to win a couple of them.

 

Warren Sharp stat from yesterday, Bills now 0-8 the last 2 years against teams with average or better offenses.  They allow 29 ppg and lose by average score of 29-9.

 

They need to start getting a couple of signature wins against good teams or we will continue to just be talked about as the paper tiger that we are.  I hope they do, probably only have a couple opportunities to do so this season.  Cowboys and Patriot wins would really help.  JMHO

[TwistofFate]

4 minutes ago, teef said:

oh my.  this is a bad look.

A bad look is a blowout loss with no signs of offensive growth. 

 

 

[london_bills]

19 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Philadelphia is a talented team. An ex teammate calling them out was just what the Dr. ordered.  The discord there was blown out of proportion.  Buffalo was out played and out coached on Sunday. 

With a top notch coach aswell. I knew this game would be tough for the bills and was concerned about a 5-1 record team getting complacent/ not 'having urgency'. The bills lose against the good coaches and QBs, hopefully that changes at some point this season. Against the ravens would be a good win.

[BigBuff423]

Carrying 20 years of frustration from inept football teams into this current regime is tempting and the resentment towards the team mounts with each passing year. However, we have to re-set back to 0 each time because it's unreasonable and unfair to hold each new set of coaches and players to prior sins and failures. That said, I think McD and Beane are moving in the right direction, and the players and media that have been around the team over the last few years can sense the culture change and the way the team is organized from top to bottom. The truth is the team was so much in a constant state of frenetic gap-filling over the last 10 years because they kept hoping quick fixes would right the ship and they had the wrong people doing it. 

 

Now, they have a competent GM and a Coach who knows how to build a team and coach talent and hold a locker room that we're anxious to see the results immediately. How quickly we forget those nostalgic years of Jim Kelly,  Darryl Talley, Bruce Smith, Andre Reed, Kent Hull, etc. that they were built over the course of five years to seven years. 1983 to 1988 were lean years despite talent and in 1986 Levy came in half way through the season and struggled and in 1987 they were up and down but in 1988, in Levy's third season and second full season they got to the 12-4 mark, after all the aforementioned talent was acquired.  1988 was also Thurman Thomas' Rookie season. The point here is that it took time to acquire talent, build a team, get the coach and have us moving in the right direction. Be patient for this year, and yes - next year as well. With Cap space, the Draft and current young players developing, all expectations are for next year. 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

You're not allowed to say that here where McClappity preaches 14-10 games......  

 

Remember "Trust the Process"

 

Again as usual you are missing the point.  This is a QB driven league and the Bills need to know whether Allen is the guy (& I think he is).

 

However they don't give him any real weapons, an offensive game plan that is based on scoring points and have yes had a cupcake schedule so no one knows for sure.

 

I love the Bills and want to see them win, want exciting offensive football and to see results more like the LA Rams & SF 49'ers who re-built and have immediate success, then this Process that next thing we know may be year 4, 5 6..........    

 

I'm happy the Bills are 5-2, just not thrilled with their play for the most part.

To say the Niners and Rams have had immediate success is ridiculous.  They had a number of bad years that let them draft guys like Donald and Goff, like the entire front 4 of the Niners defense, etc.  The Rams more than the Niners have gone all in on FAs, we'll see if it works but they are forfeiting their future for now. 

[Bring it]

1 hour ago, JinxedBill said:

Man one loss to the Eagles and everyone is jumping off the ship.  Fare weather fans.

 

We are who we thought we were.  A fringe playoff team. Did some y’all forget?

Yep, wildcard team is where I felt we are! The big key is if the team gets better as the season goes on so that we can make a run once we get to the playoffs! Josh played better than many are giving him credit. He is improving but it takes time!

 

[Gugny]

5 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

What growth?? 

 

7 ints and 8 fumbles in 7 games? 

 

You seem to believe a couple good drives against crap teams in the 4th quarter negates the the rest of his body of work....I don't. 

 

[McBean]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

This team finished 9-7, 8-8 & 7-9 the prior three years to Coach McD & we've been forced fed the process in 2017 & on.....  Yep 5-2, with a cupcake schedule and still we hear particularly on here about the Process.....

 

Sorry I want more & hope that is the sentiment of most fans & ownership.  

What an awful post.

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

A bad look is a blowout loss with no signs of offensive growth. 

 

 

You've shown the board your true colors.  You'd rather the team lose.

[Bring it]

The last game was really lost in the trenches!! It’s not all on Josh or just a few players!

Edited October 29, 2019 by Bring it

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Bring it said:

The last game was really lost in the trenches!!

Bingo

[quinnearlysghost88]

1 hour ago, TwistofFate said:

I still believe in the process, I just don't believe in Allen anymore. 

 

If there's one thing this staff and front office is not afraid to do, its cut the rope on players that aren't producing.  That shows me if Allen doesn't get it together, they begin to look. 

Oh you mean our second year qb who is 5-2 and missed a quarter of his rookie season? Got it. Thanks for the overreaction. 

6 minutes ago, Bring it said:

The last game was really lost in the trenches!! It’s not all on Josh or just a few players!

We need to teach Josh how to play middle linebacker or we need to cut ties with him. One or the other. 

[TwistofFate]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You've shown the board your true colors.  You'd rather the team lose.

And you've shown yours, you'd rather mediocrity.

 

Super bowls are the goal. 

 

Without a Qb putting up those numbers, you aren't going there.  Our Qb has yet to even throw for 300.   

 

Daniel Jones has done it TWICE already as ROOKIE, including his FIRST NFL start. 

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

This team finished 9-7, 8-8 & 7-9 the prior three years to Coach McD & we've been forced fed the process in 2017 & on.....  Yep 5-2, with a cupcake schedule and still we hear particularly on here about the Process.....

 

Sorry I want more & hope that is the sentiment of most fans & ownership.  

Yup and all the other coaches we have had would be 2-5.  You guys think losing this one game is enough for you to regain credibility.?

 

I don't think we are where a lot of us thought we were but we went toe to toe with NE and lost a game to a good Philly team.  We are probably still a year away from being a Championship contender but we will definitely make the playoffs this year.

 

Now crawl back under your rock.

[TwistofFate]

1 minute ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Oh you mean our second year qb who is 5-2 and missed a quarter of his rookie season? Got it. Thanks for the overreaction. 

We need to teach Josh how to play middle linebacker or we need to cut ties with him. One or the other. 

Hows Daniel Jones looking? 

[teef]

11 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

A bad look is a blowout loss with no signs of offensive growth. 

 

 

a loss is a loss.  

[formerlyofCtown]

16 minutes ago, wagon127 said:

I expect more too. 10-6 or 11-5 will be a damn good record by the end of the year. I believe that is the next stage of the process. If that's not good enough for you, come March is another free agency with lots of cap room to improve this team some more. Most of the players on this team have never had a 10 or 11 win season in the NFL. You can't expect them to win every game.

Next week will be very telling.  We will see how they regroup and respond.

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

And you've shown yours, you'd rather mediocrity.

 

Super bowls are the goal. 

 

Without a Qb putting up those numbers, you aren't going there.  Our Qb has yet to even throw for 300.   

 

Daniel Jones has done it TWICE already as ROOKIE, including his FIRST NFL start. 

Yes Super Bowls are the goal.   You get that by winning.  And you have now said you’d rather see the team lose

[Cripple Creek]

17 minutes ago, london_bills said:

With a top notch coach aswell. I knew this game would be tough for the bills and was concerned about a 5-1 record team getting complacent/ not 'having urgency'. The bills lose against the good coaches and QBs, hopefully that changes at some point this season. Against the ravens would be a good win.

Against the Ravens would be an outstanding time to buck this trend.

[BigPappy]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

This team finished 9-7, 8-8 & 7-9 the prior three years to Coach McD & we've been forced fed the process in 2017 & on.....  Yep 5-2, with a cupcake schedule and still we hear particularly on here about the Process.....

 

Sorry I want more & hope that is the sentiment of most fans & ownership.  

  So the team has started to make it's turn around and has a winning record and you're complaining? In his first year coach McD led this team to a winning record while unloading some very expensive "talent" and backed us into the playoffs with some help from Dalton, takes the necessary step backwards last year to make the big step forward for this year and the future. What most people call progress, and you B word and moan like a silly school girl on her period. smh.

 

 

2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

We get it. You don't like the team's direction and winning. You're happy with losing. Now piss off.

What he said!

Edited October 29, 2019 by BigPappy

[oldmanfan]

7 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Hows Daniel Jones looking? 

Good and bad.  Honest to God you have no clue how the NFL works, do you?

[TwistofFate]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Yes Super Bowls are the goal.   You get that by winning.  And you have now said you’d rather see the team lose

You get there with QB play and offense. 

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Good and bad.  Honest to God you have no clue how the NFL works, do you?

Yea, you score POINTS. Do you know how it works??? 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, TwistofFate said:

You get there with QB play and offense. 

Check out last year's Super Bowl.  Oh, and by the way since you crow about Jones here's his stats.   You lied about him having multiple 300 yard games. 

 

2019	Pct	Yds	TD	Int	Sck	QBR
10/20 vs Cardinals	62.9	223	1	1	8	78.6
10/11 @ Patriots	48.4	161	1	3	1	35.2
10/06 vs Vikings	55.3	182	1	1	4	65.9
09/29 vs Redskins	74.2	225	1	2	0	78
09/22 @ Buccaneers	63.9	336	2	0	5	112.7

[foreboding]

23 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

You're not allowed to say that here where McClappity preaches 14-10 games......  

 

Remember "Trust the Process"

 

Again as usual you are missing the point.  This is a QB driven league and the Bills need to know whether Allen is the guy (& I think he is).

 

However they don't give him any real weapons, an offensive game plan that is based on scoring points and have yes had a cupcake schedule so no one knows for sure.

 

I love the Bills and want to see them win, want exciting offensive football and to see results more like the LA Rams & SF 49'ers who re-built and have immediate success, then this Process that next thing we know may be year 4, 5 6..........    

 

I'm happy the Bills are 5-2, just not thrilled with their play for the most part.

You are missing the point, missing the entire target, in fact. The process is simply an approach, a mindset toward effort and growth. Analyzing mistakes and improving. It has zero to do with whether or not we have the right qb, wr etc. Culture is critical and if you cant see that, allow me to introduce you to Rex Ryan, Adam Gase or Jay Gruden.

[DrDawkinstein]

 

[TwistofFate]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Check out last year's Super Bowl.  Oh, and by the way since you crow about Jones here's his stats.   You lied about him having multiple 300 yard games. 

 

2019	Pct	Yds	TD	Int	Sck	QBR
10/20 vs Cardinals	62.9	223	1	1	8	78.6
10/11 @ Patriots	48.4	161	1	3	1	35.2
10/06 vs Vikings	55.3	182	1	1	4	65.9
09/29 vs Redskins	74.2	225	1	2	0	78
09/22 @ Buccaneers	63.9	336	2	0	5	112.7

Are you really this incompetent? 

 

He has TWO 300+ games.   His first start as a rookie, and this past week.   

 

Thats the definition of MULTIPLE. 

[DrDawkinstein]

 

[Dopey]

I believe in the process.

[Billsfan1972]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Check out last year's Super Bowl.  Oh, and by the way since you crow about Jones here's his stats.   You lied about him having multiple 300 yard games. 

 

2019	Pct	Yds	TD	Int	Sck	QBR
10/20 vs Cardinals	62.9	223	1	1	8	78.6
10/11 @ Patriots	48.4	161	1	3	1	35.2
10/06 vs Vikings	55.3	182	1	1	4	65.9
09/29 vs Redskins	74.2	225	1	2	0	78
09/22 @ Buccaneers	63.9	336	2	0	5	112.7

Seem to miss this 4 TDs 0 Picks.

 

Oh & a low scoring SB......  Way to pull that rabbit out of the hat......

 

You guys really hate Offense & exciting football????

[H2o]

41 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

3tds and 350 yards.  This is a pass first, offensive driven league.   You cant expect your defense to play lights out every week, and when they have a bad week you lose and lise badly.   Thats not balance. 

 

Losses suck, but they are inevitable.  Its how you lost that matters.   10 straight incompletions and 3 fumbles is not how you want to lose. 

 

350 and 3tds???  Losing on a game winning drive?   Acceptable in my eyes. 

Pull up the stats from the SB and let me know how those "high powered" Rams fared about 9 months ago.

 

Did Josh lose 3 fumbles on Sunday? Did I miss something? Wentz fumbled as well, but caught a fortunate bounce. I'm not even going to go into detail about the 4th quarter because you won't grasp it. 

 

Again, people who don't like Allen are going to p*** and moan about Allen no matter what. He has 6 TD passes and 1 INT in his last 3 games so now people are going on and on about the fumbles. His completion percentage is up like 10% over last year, but now it's he's not putting up enough stats for me. He has already carried the team to 5 victories in 7 games, with the only two defeats being against the last two SB champions, posting one of the best 4th qtr QB ratings in the entire NFL, and coming up clutch when it matters most, but now it's the weak schedule he is benefiting from. I don't think that what is "acceptable" in your eyes means anything, really. The only thing that matters is wins and losses. Get to the playoffs, hopefully Josh and the defense are playing their best football then, and everyone is 0-0. 

Edited October 29, 2019 by H2o

[Billsfan1972]

2 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Are you really this incompetent? 

 

He has TWO 300+ games.   His first start as a rookie, and this past week.   

 

Thats the definition of MULTIPLE. 

Shhh, that will ruin his narrative......

[DrDawkinstein]

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

23 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

Isn’t this the point, the Eagles are good and the Bills got their a** kicked at home.  I understand they can only play the schedule they are given, but when they do play a better team they need to win a couple of them.

 

Warren Sharp stat from yesterday, Bills now 0-8 the last 2 years against teams with average or better offenses.  They allow 29 ppg and lose by average score of 29-9.

 

They need to start getting a couple of signature wins against good teams or we will continue to just be talked about as the paper tiger that we are.  I hope they do, probably only have a couple opportunities to do so this season.  Cowboys and Patriot wins would really help.  JMHO

 

that depends on who is saying what.. Are they a GLOOM and DOOM Oh Woe is me! type or not?

 

I'll say it for the 50th time - 95% of the participants here had the Bills losing to the Eagles one month ago.  

 

Were the Bills horrid in allowing those 3 or 4 HUGE runs get by them adding up to 218 yards.  Hell yes.  

 

People can panic all they want.  I'm chill getting a chuckle out of the mayhem.  

 

Also .. look up the history of the Miami games where the Fish once ran for over 200 yards against the Bills . You will find on one occasion the Bills WON that game.  

 

[TwistofFate]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Shhh, that will ruin his narrative......

Im not sure what game some people are watching, but this team needs offense badly.  

 

Offense wins games, defense wins championships.  Its as true as it ever was. 

 

You aren't going anywhere when you cant pass over 300 yards and score points. 

[oldmanfan]

12 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Are you really this incompetent? 

 

He has TWO 300+ games.   His first start as a rookie, and this past week.   

 

Thats the definition of MULTIPLE. 

Missed this week.  My bad.  Tell me:  did they win this past week?  Because, as you say, to win Super Bowls you have to win games.

 

Or is he more like your wish, you know.  Have the team lose so long as you get a certain number of yards?

8 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Shhh, that will ruin his narrative...…

I admit when I'm wrong.  I was wrong there.  You, on the other hand, simply refuse to answer a basic question:  name me a successful organization that does not have a process in place to be a successful organization.

5 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Im not sure what game some people are watching, but this team needs offense badly.  

 

Offense wins games, defense wins championships.  Its as true as it ever was. 

 

You aren't going anywhere when you cant pass over 300 yards and score points. 

 

5 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Im not sure what game some people are watching, but this team needs offense badly.  

 

Offense wins games, defense wins championships.  Its as true as it ever was. 

 

You aren't going anywhere when you cant pass over 300 yards and score points. 

Defense wins championships.  You said it right here.  Here's a poem for you in honor of your flip flopping:

 

Roses are red

Violets are blue

I'm not schizophrenic

And neither am I

Edited October 29, 2019 by oldmanfan

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

16 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Check out last year's Super Bowl.  Oh, and by the way since you crow about Jones here's his stats.   You lied about him having multiple 300 yard games. 

 

2019	Pct	Yds	TD	Int	Sck	QBR
10/20 vs Cardinals	62.9	223	1	1	8	78.6
10/11 @ Patriots	48.4	161	1	3	1	35.2
10/06 vs Vikings	55.3	182	1	1	4	65.9
09/29 vs Redskins	74.2	225	1	2	0	78
09/22 @ Buccaneers	63.9	336	2	0	5	112.7

 

Sacks are high, which happens with rookies.  Teams blitz them or fake blitz them pretty much the whole game til they show they can beat it.

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Missed this week.  My bad.  Tell me:  did they win this past week?  Because, as you say, to win Super Bowls you have to win games.

 

Or is he more like your wish, you know.  Have the team lose so long as you get a certain number of yards?

I admit when I'm wrong.  I was wrong there.  You, on the other hand, simply refuse to answer a basic question:  name me a successful organization that doe not have a process in place to be a successful organization.

 

Defense wins championships.  You said it right here.  Here's a poem for you in honor of your flip flopping:

 

Roses are red

Violets are blue

I'm not schizophrenic

And neither am I

Not every team uses that as their Mantra......  

 

Sorry I am not a salary cap expert, but again people cling to the narrative that the Bills were in Salary cap hell.  Frankly I don't believe they were, but sounds like a good excuse.

 

This team & some here have excuse after excuse.  As bad as Miami & Washington are, they too are relying on picking that star QB.  

 

So if the Bills beat Washington that will mean wins over teams with 0,0,1,1 & 2 wins & a signature win over 4 win Tennessee (who benched there QB in large part to his performance vs. the Bills Elite defense).