Billsfan1972 Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 The point was, when anyone here laments about the offensive scheme & play calling, some here went on about just how good the D is and that 17-13 works for them. The Bills have had just a ridiculously good schedule to date and certainly taken advantage of it, but they need to understand that at the end of the day this is an offensive league and need more then 17 points most weeks (today they needed at least 22). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 5 hours ago, klos63 said: I don't know. Is it someone's fault or are we just in year 3 of the build up and not quite there yet? How many years do you want? Most rebuilds these days after 3 years a team is in the SB if they are going to be any good. Allen is supposed to show he has it, then next season he is supposed to be great, then you have to start paying all theses guys and the band is broken up. Just now, Billsfan1972 said: The point was, when anyone here laments about the offensive scheme & play calling, some here went on about just how good the D is and that 17-13 works for them. The Bills have had just a ridiculously good schedule to date and certainly taken advantage of it, but they need to understand that at the end of the day this is an offensive league and need more then 17 points most weeks (today they needed at least 22). Most ppl are ignoring the teams they have beaten are all pretty much garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 9 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Yep. I hate the conservative nature of the team, but that’s all McDermott. it's like they refuse to dial up pressure. gave fitz all day to carve us up. it's like we have the rick dennison of defense. i hope mcd shakes this 1990 crap up. against that oline, we can't get to fitz? pathetic. frazier and his 1985 philosophy .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: Most ppl are ignoring the teams they have beaten are all pretty much garbage. Comes up all time. You beat who you beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 9 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: So do I, but it’s just not in their defensive philosophy. An elite DE outdoor obviously help the rush and it’s their main weakness , as well as LB depth. an elite de means nothing when double teamed. rushing 4 and being out numbered means no pass rush. it's pretty simple...except to frazier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Comes up all time. You beat who you beat. I understand their schedule is their schedule, but perspective is needed. Would the Bills have gone into Seattle and beaten the Seahawks yesterday like the Ravens did? I'm not so confident in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: I understand their schedule is their schedule, but perspective is needed. Would the Bills have gone into Seattle and beaten the Seahawks yesterday like the Ravens did? I'm not so confident in that. Rain, two defensive scores and a different narrative on Lamar Jackson who had great running #'s, but passing was almost all due to 2 long throws. But the media loves him & 9-20 & 143 yards is perfectly acceptable. The Bills move the ball, they just seem incapable of piling up big yards and yes I want to see that 300+ yard passing game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said: Rain, two defensive scores and a different narrative on Lamar Jackson who had great running #'s, but passing was almost all due to 2 long throws. But the media loves him & 9-20 & 143 yards is perfectly acceptable. The Bills move the ball, they just seem incapable of piling up big yards and yes I want to see that 300+ yard passing game. If Allen would have found a way to beat NE and not give the ball away so much, I'd feel better about this teams chances against better competition. Theoretically the next game was supposed to be that better competition measuring stick, but the Eagles right now are not so great... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millstone twnsp nj bills fan Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 My take on the defense was that first and foremost , they don't have a backup player for Milano who is an exceptional linebacker in pass coverage... especially on tight ends, It's hard to find a guy like that. I also felt like Levi Wallace was the victim of the refs not calling offensive pass interference a few times. It appeared to me that Miami fully intended to match up a big , strong wr vs Wallace since he's a tall, thin guy. He was often pushed away on the receivers first break and couldn't recover. I think we will see this strategy vs Levi the rest of the year. He just needs a little more muscle , ( physicality) moving forward. Miami game planned those two things in my opinion and were successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 The way the NFL is now you're not going to get a defense that dominates week in week out. Even the Pats will end up having a few games where they let up a lot of yards. With everything being designed around the pass and with the tough rules now it just isn't going to happen. I get that it was the Phins and not the chiefs but still, the these games will happen here and there. That's why it's so important to have and offense that can score regularly now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, DefenseWins said: So let me get this straight. We are now criticizing this team because their defense is not "all time great"? Some of us are unhappy because we are only 5-1? Have we somehow forgotten about the "good old days" [sarcasm ON] when this team was truly pathetic and out of the playoff picture entirely by this point in the season? We finally have a front office and coaching staff that has made this team relevant once again and some of us have to nitpick everything that is not "perfect"? Get over it people! Its like they totally forgot the last 20 years and 40 point losses ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Who ever said they were “all time great”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 57 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: it's like they refuse to dial up pressure. gave fitz all day to carve us up. it's like we have the rick dennison of defense. i hope mcd shakes this 1990 crap up. against that oline, we can't get to fitz? pathetic. frazier and his 1985 philosophy .... Agree that we didn't blitz enough. He was getting ball out quick so it might not have helped. Probably would've hurt us actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 10 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: As were the Monsters of the Midway or the 2000 Ravens and the Bills can not win every game 17-13? Today we saw Miami almost beat them and if not for a bad Int at the goal line (and subsequent 98 yard drive) and a bad fumble the Bills again play to their competition. This trying to control the clock and game between the 20's is a dangerous recipe and the Bills need to know how to score in the high 20's. Sounds like you're implying that the "bad Int" and the "bad fumble" were gifts handed to the Bills by the Dolphins, versus created by one TreDavious White. If the defense has been stout all season and the offense has looked and felt incomplete all season, what would be your evidence that the Bills have been playing to their competition? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 10 hours ago, thronethinker said: In todays NFL with the current rules the 85 Bears and 00 Ravens wouldn’t compare to their former selves if they were to take the field now. The 85 Bears would not do as well today...the West Coast Offense is what ultimately led to the 46 defense's demise...they would be good today but not dominant as the spread, quick passing games and RPO's would lead to a lot of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: The 85 Bears would not do as well today...the West Coast Offense is what ultimately led to the 46 defense's demise...they would be good today but not dominant as the spread, quick passing games and RPO's would lead to a lot of problems. That's silly. They dominated who was on the field at the time. You can't ever swap teams from other eras. The '85 Bears D was maybe the best of all time. Criticizing them is like saying Kelly was not a good QB because his completion % is low by today's standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sundancer said: That's silly. They dominated who was on the field at the time. You can't ever swap teams from other eras. The '85 Bears D was maybe the best of all time. Criticizing them is like saying Kelly was not a good QB because his completion % is low by today's standards. Its not really silly. Yes they were built for who they played against at the time. Thats the whole point...those big LBs meant to stop the run would have a lot of problems trying to cover people... Just like saying today's defenses would have had issue playing the 70s Steelers teams that were built to run it down your throats a lot of times...today's defenses are designed to stop the pass. Edited October 21, 2019 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Its not really silly. Yes they were built for who they played against at the time. Thats the whole point...those big LBs meant to stop the run would have a lot of problems trying to cover people... Just like saying today's defenses would have had issue playing the 70s Steelers teams that were built to run it down your throats a lot of times...today's defenses are designed to stop the pass. If my aunt had a penis, she'd be my uncle.* *saying no longer works but you get the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 they dropped a few spots after allowing those yards yesterday but I believe they'll move back up. dropped to 10th against the rush, 4th against the pass and and they're 3rd overall. I'd say they're still a pretty solid defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 The defense played its worst game of the season yesterday, against a horrible offensive team. IMO D performed even further below expectations yesterday than the offense. Having said that, they won, and any broad pronouncements about the D (or O) from that game is myopic. It would have been nice to win easy yesterday, but a win is a win. There are no style points in a win against a team like Miami. I am looking forward to Philly, who are struggling but are still a good team. Let's see what happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Casey D said: The defense played its worst game of the season yesterday, against a horrible offensive team. IMO D performed even further below expectations yesterday than the offense. Having said that, they won, and any broad pronouncements about the D (or O) from that game is myopic. It would have been nice to win easy yesterday, but a win is a win. There are no style points in a win against a team like Miami. I am looking forward to Philly, who are struggling but are still a good team. Let's see what happens. Yeah, at the end of the day it's a division game and no matter how bad a team is, divisional games can be weird. I still remember how the dreadful Patriot teams used to give the SB Bills era teams a run for their money some games and even actually win a few of them. Sometimes the Bills would blow them out, but In 1989, the Bills lost 33-24 to them. In 1990, the Bills played a mostly blah game against them to win 14-0 when they came into the game 8-1. In 1991, the 3-8 Patriots handed the 10-1 Bills a 16-13 loss, 3 weeks after the Bills barely scraped by them with a 22-17 win. In 1992, the Bills played another blah game and won 16-7. Point is there is no such thing as a "gimme" game against a divisional opponent. The games often times are much harder than you think going into them no matter how bad the other team is or how good your team is. And I'm sure coming off the bye didn't help...it looked like the team was sleep walking for much of the 1st half. Edited October 21, 2019 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 The defense had an off day yesterday, coming off the bye against an opponent that the whole team obviously didn't take very seriously. We've seen nothing this season to make us think that this was anything other than an aberration. I'm not worried about the defense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: It's the fact that the Fins offense has looked horrible all year until today that has people on edge about how good our defense really is. I just think they had a great game plan with an experienced quarterback who gets hot at times and we came out flat after the bye week. There's also the memories of us starting out hot only to go 2-8 or something like that down the stretch. This defense pry had its worst game they'll have all season and we still won. I'm not overly concerned. Except that the Phins offense has previously shown signs of life. Last week 4q for example. That was classic Fitzmagic and this game was too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 The D is a good, solid defense. But not elite and I hope the media and fans never use that word again to describe this defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 13 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: As were the Monsters of the Midway or the 2000 Ravens and the Bills can not win every game 17-13? Today we saw Miami almost beat them and if not for a bad Int at the goal line (and subsequent 98 yard drive) and a bad fumble the Bills again play to their competition. This trying to control the clock and game between the 20's is a dangerous recipe and the Bills need to know how to score in the high 20's. A win is a win. I don't think many folks here, if any, were crowning this defense as an all-time great one. They're playing very well, though. Top of the league in a number of defensive categories, have yet to allow more than 17 points in a game. Everyone knows one of Fitz's strength's is getting the ball out fast, big part of the reason the OL's he had during his time here looked a little better than they were. Miami plays hard. They're not just gonna roll over and let teams beat 'em up and down the field. Is the team a mess? Yeah, they have a rag-tag roster of second and third string guys playing but those guys are gonna play their tails off because they wanna prove that they can hang in this league. You're not gonna get any players that are gonna buy into tanking a season because players aren't gonna go out there and put their bodies on the line just to lose so the franchise can get higher draft picks that will be brought in to take these guys' jobs. I think Jordan Phillips said it after the game, Phins play hard, but things tend to unravel for them in the second half. And you sure can win games 17-13, or 21-14, or 16-13, a W is a W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I think Levi Wallace was exposed a bit. He's a smart and technically sound CB, but physically he's limited. He has some length, but he's not real fast and he's not real physical. Yesterday Miami's 6'5" receiver had his way with Wallace. Ryan Fitzpatrick got hot and was putting the ball on the money and there didn't seem to be much Wallace could do about it even though he was in position. If Buffalo is looking to upgrade their defense in the offseason, that's one spot where they could look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Lol, it's funny how everyone is now talking up Miami to explain the Bills having a bad game against them. Had it been the Pats playing bad against them there would be 10 page posts about how Brady is on the decline, they are way overrated and on the decline too, they are not SB favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 21, 2019 Author Share Posted October 21, 2019 The point is that McDermott and many on this board have been going gaga over this Defense that played superb vs. NE & has played also against some of the worst teams in the NFL (particularly on offense). Yes the reason for the thread was too many here were trumpeting the Defense as so good that all the offense needs to do is put up 14-20 points a game (and no turnovers) and the Bills are "Golden". Sorry the offensive game calling and mindset should be 30 points+/game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Does everyone realize the Bills have played 6 games and won 5 of them? Im really not sure what all the hand wringing is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Great defenses score points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, matter2003 said: Its not really silly. Yes they were built for who they played against at the time. Thats the whole point...those big LBs meant to stop the run would have a lot of problems trying to cover people... Just like saying today's defenses would have had issue playing the 70s Steelers teams that were built to run it down your throats a lot of times...today's defenses are designed to stop the pass. The rule changes in the league have a lot to do with how the teams play. When people talk about comparing two teams from different eras I will always say "under what rules". Edited October 21, 2019 by ColoradoBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: The rule changes in the league have a lot to do with how the teams play. When people talk about comparing two teams from different eras I will always say "under what rules". That is a totally valid point as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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