Kaepernick Black-balled?

[Orlando Tim]

9 hours ago, klos63 said:

Wow, Lewis likely was involved in a murder, he got rid of the outfit he was wearing that night, blood on his clothing? so he's done well since covering up a murder, great! Kaep has helped a lot of people since his great sin of kneeling, donated a lot of money to causes he believes in. I don't know why Seattle didn't give him a tryout. Didn't Carroll say that Kaep should be in the league and was good enough to play?

I will ask two direct questions- why would Lewis lie about this and why if Kaep is so good did Seattle not give him a tryout? For this argument the status of Ray Lewis in 2001 is not important.

[LB3]

13 minutes ago, klos63 said:

You're taking the word of a person guilty of obstruction of justice in a still unsolved murder, a person who disposed of the suit he was wearing the night of the murder and nobody knows what happened to it. He likely knows who the murderer is, yet somehow, he has credibility.  The Ray Lewis story is to me, the most bizarre one in the NFL in years. How people ignored his actions in this murder is shocking.

I think the most bizarre story in the NFL in recent memory is how Cam Newton all of a sudden became a grandmother.

[klos63]

9 minutes ago, HiddenInLight said:

 

Ray Lewis was great at his job.  Kaepernick isnt.  Theres no comparison to make there.  Use a realistic comparison or dont bother.  If Kaepernick was serious about playing football hed play in the CFL or XFL.  Hes not though hes just using the situation to make money for doing nothing and to bring attention to his cause.

Such and tired and lazy argument. 

Since Lewis, or any other player, is great at their job, it should excuse their crimes and make them credible? Jesus

 

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I will ask two direct questions- why would Lewis lie about this and why if Kaep is so good did Seattle not give him a tryout? For this argument the status of Ray Lewis in 2001 is not important.

I don't know why he would lie, maybe he is just mistaken.  Has the Raven's owner ever confirmed the story, i haven't found anything. I don't know the answer about Seattle either. They obviously feel he's an or was at the time and quality NFL QB, maybe they didn't want to deal with the whole situation.

[Teddy KGB]

3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Are we really still talking about this idiot?

 

Yep.     He’s as good as Peterman.    Give him a shot ??

[klos63]

4 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

I think the most bizarre story in the NFL in recent memory is how Cam Newton all of a sudden became a grandmother.

He's a homeless , tranny.

[thenorthremembers]

5 minutes ago, klos63 said:

He's a homeless , tranny.

He is an ego maniac. 

[BringBackOrton]

33 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Such and tired and lazy argument. 

Since Lewis, or any other player, is great at their job, it should excuse their crimes and make them credible? Jesus

 

I don't know why he would lie, maybe he is just mistaken.  Has the Raven's owner ever confirmed the story, i haven't found anything. I don't know the answer about Seattle either. They obviously feel he's an or was at the time and quality NFL QB, maybe they didn't want to deal with the whole situation.

Did Ray Lewis have his crimes excused in the legal system because he’s a good player? I must have missed that part of the ruling.

[Never NEVER Give-up]

Thanks to all who participated in the poll.

Thanks to most who posted thoughtful replies on either side.

I always wonder why some post a whine about why someone posted something instead of hitting the back button and simply making no comment.  If you have something to offer, please do.  If all you want to do is rag on a poster to show you can bully and degrade someone else's thoughts - you are a waste of bytes.  (Several people responded 2-4 times saying similar things: another Kap post, get this outta here, why are you posting this, etc.  Why?  Just to spout your superiority only to post self-defeating, thoughtless syllables that reflect poorly on you.)

I apologize for not knowing Kap sued/settled with the NFL when I did my poll.  I always thought he was an interesting talent (better than the majority of NFL 2nd stringers) and if the NFL is such a results-oriented league, then why hadn't anyone signed him?  Hence the poll.

[MAJBobby]

52 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Such and tired and lazy argument. 

Since Lewis, or any other player, is great at their job, it should excuse their crimes and make them credible? Jesus

 

I don't know why he would lie, maybe he is just mistaken.  Has the Raven's owner ever confirmed the story, i haven't found anything. I don't know the answer about Seattle either. They obviously feel he's an or was at the time and quality NFL QB, maybe they didn't want to deal with the whole situation.

maybe Ravens pulled the Offer when Kaepernicks GF compared the coaching staff and Owner to slave owners. 

14 minutes ago, Never NEVER Give-up said:

Thanks to all who participated in the poll.

Thanks to most who posted thoughtful replies on either side.

I always wonder why some post a whine about why someone posted something instead of hitting the back button and simply making no comment.  If you have something to offer, please do.  If all you want to do is rag on a poster to show you can bully and degrade someone else's thoughts - you are a waste of bytes.  (Several people responded 2-4 times saying similar things: another Kap post, get this outta here, why are you posting this, etc.  Why?  Just to spout your superiority only to post self-defeating, thoughtless syllables that reflect poorly on you.)

I apologize for not knowing Kap sued/settled with the NFL when I did my poll.  I always thought he was an interesting talent (better than the majority of NFL 2nd stringers) and if the NFL is such a results-oriented league, then why hadn't anyone signed him?  Hence the poll.

because he doesn’t want to sign. Teams have approached him. 
 

he has told his representation he wants starter money and not league minimum. 
 

he told AAF that he would only play there for 10M a year. 
 

his GF has called the Ravens coaches and Ownership Slave Owners when they tried to work him out and sign him. 
 

he is how many years removed from playing any football?  And you think a team would sign that?

 

oooo let’s mention he wasn’t that good anyway. 

[Never NEVER Give-up]

Unfortunately there is no fact checker - all we have is opinion and conjecture based upon half-truths and innuendo.

14 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

maybe Ravens pulled the Offer when Kaepernicks GF compared the coaching staff and Owner to slave owners.  (Maybe)

because he doesn’t want to sign. (Conjecture/opinion)  Teams have approached him. (Fact, but we don't know what approached means - could mean a phone call saying Hi to let's make a deal - no one knows for sure.)
 

he has told his representation he wants starter money and not league minimum. (where'd you get this?  opinion, conjecture, guess?  any facts to support this?  (that are not someone else's opinion))
 

he told AAF that he would only play there for 10M a year. (. . . as reported by?  The AAF maybe - to save face?)
 

his GF has called the Ravens coaches and Ownership Slave Owners when they tried to work him out and sign him. (Then everyone involved is an idiot if they let a 3rd party control the situation)
 

he is how many years removed from playing any football?  (3?) And you think a team would sign that? (Absolutely.  You're implying they wouldn't - your opinion.  Some people still talk about Favre when he can barely play ball in the copperfit commercials.)

 

oooo let’s mention he wasn’t that good anyway. (Again - he was better than many - top half of the league, got his team to a SB - almost won it, is clearly better than arguably all 2nd stringers in the league today . . . which adds up to maybe someone would want to give him a tryout and if not, why not?  Again that's why I did the poll.)

 

[MAJBobby]

8 minutes ago, Never NEVER Give-up said:

Unfortunately there is no fact checker - all we have is opinion and conjecture based upon half-truths and innuendo.

 

 

Slave Owner stuff:

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/08/03/kaepernick-girlfriend/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4761014/Colin-Kaepernick-GF-says-Ravens-owner-slave-master.html

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/06/ravens-ray-lewis-colin-kaepernick-girlfirend-tweet

 

League Min Stuff declining offers:

https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/07/nfl-source-kaepernick-turned-down-at-least-1-contract-to-play-up-the-race-card/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2713471-colin-kaepernick-seahawks-contract-reportedly-didnt-happen-because-of-money

https://offthewire.com/this-nfl-team-offered-colin-kaepernick-a-contract/

 

AAF:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/colin-kaepernick-wanted-20m-aaf-contract-to-play-in-league-report

[HiddenInLight]

2 hours ago, klos63 said:

Such and tired and lazy argument. 

Since Lewis, or any other player, is great at their job, it should excuse their crimes and make them credible? Jesus

 

I don't know why he would lie, maybe he is just mistaken.  Has the Raven's owner ever confirmed the story, i haven't found anything. I don't know the answer about Seattle either. They obviously feel he's an or was at the time and quality NFL QB, maybe they didn't want to deal with the whole situation.

 

It's not a lazy argument to point out the fact that owners will weigh a players ability into the decision on whether or not a guy is worth keeping.  If a udfa is caught drunk driving you can bet he will be cut.  If your starting quarterback is in the same situation you keep him.  If a good player makes noise about his cause and does what Kaepernick did nobody cares but since hes likely a backup at best it's not worth the distraction.

 

Kaepernick was recruited for XFL and CFL but turned them down because he is not willing to be paid what he's worth on the field.  Hes not on a team because he is not good enough to offset his distractions.  Just like Ramsay is worth multiple firsts and millions of dollars despite his constant ***** talking.  Hes good enough for it to be worth keeping him.

 

It all comes down to the fact that Kaepernick simply is not a good quarterback.  If he was hed be playing.

53 minutes ago, Never NEVER Give-up said:

Unfortunately there is no fact checker - all we have is opinion and conjecture based upon half-truths and innuendo.

 

 

He wasn't top half of the league.  He lost his job to Blaine ***** Gabbert.

[Yav]

11 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Am I stuttering again?

 

Let's take a look at your resume again.  Were you drafted in the 2nd round or higher?  Ooops, I thought so:

 

 

And don't piss me off.  I am out of Scotch® tape!

 

 

Again, I've been black balled. I wasn't drafted because the NFL has me black listed.

[PlayoffsPlease]

14 hours ago, klos63 said:

Conversely, I might have respect for the anti Kaep crowd if they admitted he's being blackballed and stop telling untruths. He hasn't been offered a contract, hasn't been offered a tryout,  his ability has nothing to do with him not getting an opportunity, that must be very obvious to anyone who wants to discuss facts here. Every crappy QB in the last few years gets opportunities, tryouts at the very least.

How is that different from when Tim Tebow was released? 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

How is that different from when Tim Tebow was released? 

Well its 100% different because Tebow did get an opportunity with the Patriots after being released by the Jets. Kaepernick has not.

[IDBillzFan]

17 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I have no problem with Kaep playing but I also think the longer he's out the less likely tranys think he can still play.

 

Dude, do you really think trannies are a good judge of football players?

 

12 hours ago, klos63 said:

 

So the Ravens pulled an offer, not because of Kaep, but his girlfriend? That's a first. Not sure I believe that story. I've heard it before, but Lewis is a convicted criminal so not a credible witness.

 

It is absolutely true. His girlfriend killed the deal with her Twitter post.

 

And I'll say this one more time: Michael Vick shot dogs in the head, hung them from trees, drowned them by holding their heads under water, made money off dogs killing each other, went to prison, got out of prison and signed a multi-million dollar NFL deal.

 

If you think no one is signing Kap because he's being blackballed for kneeling during a football game and wearing socks with pictures of pigs dressed as cops,  you don't know the NFL.

 

No one is signing Kap because the league figured out his style of play and he's useless., 

[klos63]

2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

Did Ray Lewis have his crimes excused in the legal system because he’s a good player? I must have missed that part of the ruling.

No, they were excused in the NFL, in broadcasting as he was hired after his career and in the minds of fans that still celebrate him and ignore his crime.

[PlayoffsPlease]

13 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Well its 100% different because Tebow did get an opportunity with the Patriots after being released by the Jets. Kaepernick has not.

Why only one opportunity?  Did the other 30 teams black ball him? 

[klos63]

14 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Dude, do you really think trannies are a good judge of football players?

 

 

It is absolutely true. His girlfriend killed the deal with her Twitter post.

 

And I'll say this one more time: Michael Vick shot dogs in the head, hung them from trees, drowned them by holding their heads under water, made money off dogs killing each other, went to prison, got out of prison and signed a multi-million dollar NFL deal.

 

If you think no one is signing Kap because he's being blackballed for kneeling during a football game and wearing socks with pictures of pigs dressed as cops,  you don't know the NFL.

 

No one is signing Kap because the league figured out his style of play and he's useless., 

So why do so many other useless QB's still have a job?  And Kaeps final season was statistically, very good, on a crappy team.

2 hours ago, HiddenInLight said:

 

Ray Lewis was great at his job.  Kaepernick isnt.  Theres no comparison to make there.  Use a realistic comparison or dont bother.  If Kaepernick was serious about playing football hed play in the CFL or XFL.  Hes not though hes just using the situation to make money for doing nothing and to bring attention to his cause.

Do you honestly believe that if Kaep did well in the XFL , he would get a shot in the NFL?

[IDBillzFan]

2 minutes ago, klos63 said:

So why do so many other useless QB's still have a job?  And Kaeps final season was statistically, very good, on a crappy team.

 

It's reported Kap wants $20M. No one is paying a useless backup QB $20M. 

 

And again, if statistics were all that mattered, Antonio Brown would be playing football today.

[row_33]

you better be a superstar in the NFL or your route is

 

yes sir, no sir, 3 bags full sir...  for any question asked of you

 

 

[Bangarang]

Maybe if he cut his hair he’d still be in the league

[klos63]

7 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

It's reported Kap wants $20M. No one is paying a useless backup QB $20M. 

 

And again, if statistics were all that mattered, Antonio Brown would be playing football today.

who reported it? His agent, just last week ,said he is not asking for starter money.

 

Brown will be playing again. I'm sure of that. Rape notwithstanding.

Edited October 16, 2019 by klos63

[IDBillzFan]

6 minutes ago, klos63 said:

who reported it? His agent, just last week ,said he is not asking for starter money.

 

Sporting News I think, back in early 2019.

 

7 minutes ago, klos63 said:

 

Brown will be playing again. I'm sure of that. Rape notwithstanding.

 

Of course he will. But not while he's dealing with the rape stuff. Which is my point; stats only weigh so much with problem children.

[BringBackOrton]

33 minutes ago, klos63 said:

No, they were excused in the NFL, in broadcasting as he was hired after his career and in the minds of fans that still celebrate him and ignore his crime.

Was Ray Lewis’ punishment in court to be branded for eternity? He was supposed to never get a job again due to being found guilty of obstruction?

[MarkyMannn]

18 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...guess playing in the NFL is a right and not a privilege......and if the company you ideally want to work for chooses not to hire you, they violated your right to work there as well?...SMH........when does homework time start?.............

Exactly!  Good post

[Boatdrinks]

This is a ridiculous thread, as Kaep is “ allowed “ to play in the NFL, but no one wants  to have him on their team. Its somewhat about his football skills, but largely because he’s bad for business. He’s a lightning rod for media distractions and is highly offensive to a ( probably sizable) portion of the fan base. It’s not collusion, just a bunch of business owners in the entertainment business making a sound business decision. Nobody believes he’s a difference maker in the win column, so it’s not worth the hassle. That’s it. No laws broken, Kaep has just made himself a pariah with his antics. If Kaep was in a different segment of entertainment , say rap music, he’d be a hero and in demand. This seems totally obvious by now. Business don’t want to offend their customers or create controversy. When sponsors drop clients due to controversy ( Tiger Woods, Fuzzy Zoeller, Antonio Brown et al) are they “ blackballing” or making a business decision ? If NFL players that have other sorts of issues still have NFL jobs, it’s because the customer base (and therefore the owners ) don’t care that much about it. 

[klos63]

13 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Was Ray Lewis’ punishment in court to be branded for eternity? He was supposed to never get a job again due to being found guilty of obstruction?

In an unsolved murder case. I think it was in SI, but an amazing story about the case. If you're interested you should look it up. Might give you a different view of Lewis. It's quite likely Lewis knows who committed the crime.

 

But to your point, you think Lewis shouldn't be, for lack of a better word, blackballed, because of this incident, while many feel Kaep is being blackballed for a much lesser one.

16 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Sporting News I think, back in early 2019.

 

 

Of course he will. But not while he's dealing with the rape stuff. Which is my point; stats only weigh so much with problem children.

He'll be forgiven for raping/assaulting women, Kaep won't for kneeling/protesting.

[row_33]

1 minute ago, klos63 said:

In an unsolved murder case. I think it was in SI, but an amazing story about the case. If you're interested you should look it up. Might give you a different view of Lewis. It's quite likely Lewis knows who committed the crime.

 

But to your point, you think Lewis shouldn't be, for lack of a better word, blackballed, because of this incident, while many feel Kaep is being blackballed for a much lesser one.

 

Ray was at top peak in his career when this happened, he wasn't leaving the game nor asked to.

 

[IDBillzFan]

5 minutes ago, klos63 said:

He'll be forgiven for raping/assaulting women, Kaep won't for kneeling/protesting.

 

You're still missing the point: if they'll forgive Brown for rape and assault, and they forgave Michael Vick for torturing dogs en route to a prison term, perhaps...and I'm just taking a shot in the dark here...perhaps, maybe, possibly... Kaep's problem isn't the kneeling/protesting.

 

 

[klos63]

1 hour ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

You're still missing the point: if they'll forgive Brown for rape and assault, and they forgave Michael Vick for torturing dogs en route to a prison term, perhaps...and I'm just taking a shot in the dark here...perhaps, maybe, possibly... Kaep's problem isn't the kneeling/protesting.

 

 

I'm not missing the point. My point is, there isn't enough outrage at rape/sexual assault... as there should be in my opinion and the Kaep thing is way overblown.

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

 

Ray was at top peak in his career when this happened, he wasn't leaving the game nor asked to.

 

He should have been forced out or at least had some punishment. He was an impact player so his crimes didn't matter.

[SoTier]

32 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I'm not missing the point. My point is, there isn't enough outrage at rape/sexual assault... as there should be in my opinion and the Kaep thing is way overblown.

 

If that's your intended point, then you haven't been making it very well.  What it sounds like is that you are arguing the  "poor Kaepernick has been shafted" line.

 

As for Antonio Brown, he's been accused of rape/sexual assault, not convicted.  In fact, he hasn't been charged with a crime but sued in civil court which suggests that it's a she said/he said situation without much evidence.   Are you advocating that Brown should be punished simply because he's been accused of a heinous action?  

Edited October 16, 2019 by SoTier

[klos63]

31 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

If that's your intended point, then you haven't been making it very well.  What it sounds like is that you are arguing the  "poor Kaepernick has been shafted" line.

 

As for Antonio Brown, he's been accused of rape/sexual assault, not convicted.  In fact, he hasn't been charged with a crime but sued in civil court which suggests that it's a she said/he said situation without much evidence.   Are you advocating that Brown should be punished simply because he's been accused of a heinous action?  

I'm not sure how to handle his situation. I'm saying what the league/fans find to be serious enough to have a players league status tested makes no sense to me. And I do think Kaep has been shafted.  I understand the concerns of a 'circus' atmosphere, but to me it's sad that a possible rapist(or abuser or whatever crime of the day) doesn't raise the level of concern like Kaeps protest does.

[Teddy KGB]

Why didn’t Kaepernick get drafted by the xfl? 

 

Someone not interested in playing football ? 

[prissythecat]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

Why didn’t Kaepernick get drafted by the xfl? 

 

Someone not interested in playing football ? 

 

Maybe because he  supposedly wanted 20 mil?

 

 

[CLTbills]

I have an issue with the poll. I can say that I think he should be ALLOWED to play - which at this point, he is ALLOWED to play, if a team signs him. 

 

It's up to the owner of any business who they hire. If they think hiring someone will be detrimental to their business, then you cannot force an employer to hire them. It's that simple.

[HiddenInLight]

4 hours ago, klos63 said:

So why do so many other useless QB's still have a job?  And Kaeps final season was statistically, very good, on a crappy team.

Do you honestly believe that if Kaep did well in the XFL , he would get a shot in the NFL?

 

If he's an above average NFL QB like people are saying he would be dominating the XFL.  If he were dominating the XFL, somebody would give him a shot.  Look at Duke Williams.   Went and dominated the CFL, suddenly he's on an NFL roster.  

[Bookie Man]

Better black than blue amirite! 

[HiddenInLight]

3 hours ago, klos63 said:

In an unsolved murder case. I think it was in SI, but an amazing story about the case. If you're interested you should look it up. Might give you a different view of Lewis. It's quite likely Lewis knows who committed the crime.

 

But to your point, you think Lewis shouldn't be, for lack of a better word, blackballed, because of this incident, while many feel Kaep is being blackballed for a much lesser one.

He'll be forgiven for raping/assaulting women, Kaep won't for kneeling/protesting.

 

 

You are so busy being outraged that he's not in the league that you are ignoring the fact that he sucks at football.  Once again; He lost his job to BLAINE ****ING GABBERT.  He didn't even get beat out by a halfway decent quarterback.  The dude sucks.  Get over it.

[CLTbills]

4 hours ago, klos63 said:

So why do so many other useless QB's still have a job? 

Because they don't bring the circus with them. It's that simple. 

Nobody is going to bring in that circus for a mediocre backup QB.  If it's Tom Brady? absolutely. A guy that great is worth the headache. I'll even say Deshaun Watson is worth that headache because I know I'll be called "racist" for using a white QB to make my point. The point is, if the guy is your franchise QB, multiple SB winner, etc., it's worth that headache. Why bring all that nonsense for a guy who might not even play and is a backup? Why piss off fans, potentially lose ticket sales? 

 

If the guy is Brady or Deshaun Watson, or Lamar Jackson, or, hell, Patrick Mahomes, it ain't going to cost you ticket/merch sales, because their play can overcome the negative.