Revisiting Beane's most subtly brilliant move as GM

[cage]

While there are other more high profile moves, I'd like make a shout out to an under-the-radar move that shows how good Beane really is.  The trade for Ryan Bates.  

 

I can't recall another example of a team trading and established NFL player for an UDFA rookie and scoring the win in that trade.  Eli Harold was an established NFL player.  Not a star, but certainly established and still young.  He wasn't going to make the team and as players like Darryl Johnson were stepping up.  Beane not only pulled off the trading of an asset that was going to be cut, but targeted a rookie who nobody else knew.  Bates demonstrates his value, makes the team, offers position flexibility and yesterday was a key part of our 4th quarter victory.

 

I don't know what Bates will eventually turn into, but it kind of reminds me of when Polian snagged Steve Tasker, a guy nobody knew at the time, as Houston tried to sneak him through waivers to bring back from IR.

 

https://www.mcall.com/sports/eagles/mc-spt-eagles-column-saturday-moore-20190915-5nsoc6ujfzfkdj3r5442vus56u-story.html

[Magox]

Bates played extremely well in the preseason and was being lauded for the way he was practicing.  The guy is extremely versatile which is something that Bills brass values and has a shot at eventually starting somewhere on the line.

[Sammyboy]

I think revamping the entire scouting department isn’t recognized enough.

[r00tabaga]

Beane has been excellent. Hitting on high picks and also late rounders. Ford needs to go to guard and Zay traded to be A+

[ProcessTruster]

6 minutes ago, r00tabaga said:

Beane has been excellent. Hitting on high picks and also late rounders. Ford needs to go to guard and Zay traded to be A+

Trust the Process.  these guys know what they are doing. 

 

Character guys who can play.  Screw ups need not apply. 

[freddyjj]

Good post OP.  

 

Teams that scout well keep their draft board ratings and UDFA wish lists to grab highly coveted players off waivers, in trades or in FA down the road. 

[Da webster guy]

I'll admit I just vaguely remembered his name when he took the field yesterday.  How will he grade out after seeing the film ?   That RT spot has been a revolving door.

Edited October 7, 2019 by Da webster guy

[JMF2006]

14 minutes ago, r00tabaga said:

Beane has been excellent. Hitting on high picks and also late rounders. Ford needs to go to guard and Zay traded to be A+

 

Zay has zero trade value if Beane gets anything back we need to build a statue next to Ralphs this year

 

 

[Artem Lipatov]

I like Mr.Beane's style of molding of a team. A lot of good players with depth is bettter than few starts. Jets signed 2 stars this offseason (Bell and Mosely) and Jets are in the bottom now. Mr.Bin signed a bunch of decent, not star players. And we are in top. Even with injuries we are in game, because our players are interchangable. Jets lost to us in week 1 after 1 injury of Mosely. Star-dependent teams are more vulnerable.

 

[Nuncha]

46 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

 

Zay has zero trade value if Beane gets anything back we need to build a statue next to Ralphs this year

 

 

he got something for Bodine who was about to be cut (and now a FA) so start building that statue.

[youngjebrey]

I know it’s early but Beane has to be in discussion for gm of the year 

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, cage said:

While there are other more high profile moves, I'd like make a shout out to an under-the-radar move that shows how good Beane really is.  The trade for Ryan Bates.  

 

I can't recall another example of a team trading and established NFL player for an UDFA rookie and scoring the win in that trade.  Eli Harold was an established NFL player.  Not a star, but certainly established and still young.  He wasn't going to make the team and as players like Darryl Johnson were stepping up.  Beane not only pulled off the trading of an asset that was going to be cut, but targeted a rookie who nobody else knew.  Bates demonstrates his value, makes the team, offers position flexibility and yesterday was a key part of our 4th quarter victory.

 

I don't know what Bates will eventually turn into, but it kind of reminds me of when Polian snagged Steve Tasker, a guy nobody knew at the time, as Houston tried to sneak him through waivers to bring back from IR.

 

https://www.mcall.com/sports/eagles/mc-spt-eagles-column-saturday-moore-20190915-5nsoc6ujfzfkdj3r5442vus56u-story.html

when Bates went in I specifically wanted to watch him. I it is said he can play every position on the OL. But he did play very well at RT once he went in. I think he is more ready to play RT than Ford is at this point. 

[Albany,n.y.]

The last time the Bills got a player for a player that appeared to be each team dumping a guy neither team wanted and it worked out was the Jerry Hughes trade.  It was about the only significant thing that the Nix/Whaley team did right with long term success.  

[Sundancer]

Going to have some misses, because that always happens, but the Bills are being built a lot like the Patriots. Lots of short contracts, lots of good players. Almost no one elite or irreplaceable. 

 

If they keep the coaching in place, the system will not be changing every 2 years and all the cohesion will build a winner. I love what Beane is building with players and contracts, and McD is building with team culture. This team may not be quite ready to make the jump to the playoffs because the offense is still in progress but the foundations are laid.  

 

 

Edited October 7, 2019 by Sundancer

[CLTbills]

I've stated this a couple times.... But I will never again question a move that Beane makes. He has made so many head-scratching (at the time) decisions that turn out to be brilliant. The ONLY move that I can say was a total bust was the trade for Benjamin. But if that's one out of twenty that didn't work, that's a pretty sporty percentage of success.

[Albany,n.y.]

3 minutes ago, Artem Lipatov said:

I like Mr.Beane's style of molding of a team. A lot of good players with depth is bettter than few starts. Jets signed 2 stars this offseason (Bell and Mosely) and Jets are in the bottom now. Mr.Bin signed a bunch of decent, not star players. And we are in top. Even with injuries we are in game, because our players are interchangable. Jets lost to us in week 1 after 1 injury of Mosely. Star-dependent teams are more vulnerable.

 

I know some will hate hearing this, but that's how the Patriots dynasty was built.  Get a franchise QB and build around him.  Beane has followed that philosophy, making sure he targeted the QB a year before he had the money to follow the Patriots model.  Meanwhile, the Jets decided to follow the Washington model instead of the New England one.  

[twist_to_open]

I think aquiring Smoke Brown this off season is still an underrated move that has helped this team tremendously.

 

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

Bates played extremely well in the preseason and was being lauded for the way he was practicing.  The guy is extremely versatile which is something that Bills brass values and has a shot at eventually starting somewhere on the line.

 

I wonder if he is versatile enough to play long snapper?  The Bills do need a backup in case Reid Ferguson gets hurt....

[atlbillsfan1975]

Beane has been wonderful in his approach. Methodical and building the team together with input from coaches and staff. 

Quality depth is the difference. Bates seems to be that. 

This front office has a book on everyone in the league and professionals for that matter(Duke). Beane’s staff doesn’t forget about a player because he ends up someplace else. Seems like they are constantly looking at ways to add players they have always liked but couldn’t get for some reason initially. 

[Punching Bag]

Just now, CLTbills said:

I've stated this a couple times.... But I will never again question a move that Beane makes. He has made so many head-scratching (at the time) decisions that turn out to be brilliant. The ONLY move that I can say was a total bust was the trade for Benjamin. But if that's one out of twenty that didn't work, that's a pretty sporty percentage of success.

 

The trade for Cleveland's WR with little time to evaluate was very questionable.

[Nuncha]

Picking up Jordan Phillips turned out to be a great move too.  

Edited October 7, 2019 by Azucho98

[Sundancer]

1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I know some will hate hearing this, but that's how the Patriots dynasty was built.  Get a franchise QB and build around him.  Beane has followed that philosophy, making sure he targeted the QB a year before he had the money to follow the Patriots model.  Meanwhile, the Jets decided to follow the Washington model instead of the New England one.  

 

We are on the same page, two posts apart. 

 

The Pats are a 20 year dynasty and have had one dynastic player, with only a few elite players along the way around him. 

[Gugny]

My vote will always be getting a third round pick for that piece of garbage we had at QB.

[CLTbills]

Just now, Limeaid said:

 

The trade for Cleveland's WR with little time to evaluate was very questionable.

Still........ incredibly high rate of moves that the Bills "win" the trade. 

 

I remember watching the draft last year (when we drafted Allen and Edmunds) and thinking to myself that Beane is just incredible. It was masterful. Everything was thought out multiple steps ahead.

[Punching Bag]

2 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I know some will hate hearing this, but that's how the Patriots dynasty was built.  Get a franchise QB and build around him.  Beane has followed that philosophy, making sure he targeted the QB a year before he had the money to follow the Patriots model.  Meanwhile, the Jets decided to follow the Washington model instead of the New England one.  

 

What exactly is wrong with the yugo model? 

[Xwnyer]

1 hour ago, Sammyboy said:

I think revamping the entire scouting department isn’t recognized enough.

Agreed look at our 2019 draft 5 of the 7 players are contributing alot or starting.  Add in Duke with Bates and what a gell of an influx of young guys'

[CLTbills]

Just now, Gugny said:

My vote will always be getting a third round pick for that piece of garbage we had at QB.

How about getting a draft pick for Marshall Newhouse? Or getting a pick for Russell freaking Bodine?

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, CLTbills said:

How about getting a draft pick for Marshall Newhouse? Or getting a pick for Russell freaking Bodine?

 

Those were great and he's done a lot of great things, IMO.  But getting Taylor out of Orchard Park made me giddy.  Getting a 3rd round pick for such a crappy QB was magical.  The moment I saw the alert pop up my phone was the happiest I've felt as a Bills fan in 20+ years.

[Albany,n.y.]

1 minute ago, Limeaid said:

 

The trade for Cleveland's WR with little time to evaluate was very questionable.

Trading a 7th for a former 1st rounder was a shot worth taking even with the unfortunate cap hit.  Amazing thing is a 7th usually is a throw out pick with less than a 10% hit rate & Beane looks like he hit a homerun with Darryl Johnson and then came back up to bat and got at least a base hit with Tommy Sweeney.  

[Punching Bag]

Just now, Albany,n.y. said:

Trading a 7th for a former 1st rounder was a shot worth taking even with the unfortunate cap hit.  Amazing thing is a 7th usually is a throw out pick with less than a 10% hit rate & Beane looks like he hit a homerun with Darryl Johnson and then came back up to bat and got at least a base hit with Tommy Sweeney.  

 

Has Gungy hacked your account with the boreball references?

[Don Otreply]

Yup, the Bates trade was very good, I asked the group in another thread if anyone knew if he could play RT, no one answered, well, Beane answered and I / we were not paying attention, the answer was YES he can.  I really like this teams HC and GM, they know what they’re doing. And they know why they’re doing it.

 

Go Bills!!!

[MrEpsYtown]

It's the Jon Feliciano signing. Now I know he is a Bobby Johnson guy, but his signing changed a lot in my view. He was not on anyone's radar and I don't think anyone thought he was really going to start, but that guy has been the glue that brings an attitude adjustment to the offensive line. He's nasty, but he's good to, plus he's versatile. He's my unsung, under the radar big time move.  

Edited October 7, 2019 by MrEpsYtown

[CLTbills]

3 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Has Gungy hacked your account with the boreball references?

someone piss in your cornflakes this morning?

[Albany,n.y.]

11 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

We are on the same page, two posts apart. 

 

The Pats are a 20 year dynasty and have had one dynastic player, with only a few elite players along the way around him. 

I noticed your post after I posted mine.  It looks like we both thought the same thing at the same time & I type very slowly, so you beat me to the board.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, JMF2006 said:

 

Zay has zero trade value if Beane gets anything back we need to build a statue next to Ralphs this year

 

 

 

Remember when he traded tyrod... and his bonus... and his bloated contract... for the 1st pick of the 3rd round?  

[Albany,n.y.]

5 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Has Gungy hacked your account with the boreball references?

I went to the Giants game yesterday.  When Minnesota scored in the 4th quarter the stadium broke out into a "Let's Go Yankees" chant.  

[Artem Lipatov]

Recently was a thread Beane was seen at college football match. It means he goes personally to scout college talents. I like it.

[JMF2006]

1 minute ago, dneveu said:

 

Remember when he traded tyrod... and his bonus... and his bloated contract... for the 1st pick of the 3rd round?  

 

Yup all these trades where he got something for nothing and if he gets something for Zay we need to build it

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

when Bates went in I specifically wanted to watch him. I it is said he can play every position on the OL. But he did play very well at RT once he went in. I think he is more ready to play RT than Ford is at this point. 

 

He played better than Ford or Ty Nsekhe have played at that spot. 

[bigK14094]

17 minutes ago, Azucho98 said:

Picking up Jordan Phillips turned out to be a great move too.  

Gonna cost some bucks to sign him for next year though......but, both the Bills and JP knew this was a prove it year for him.  He is proving it to me anyhow.