Percy Harvin high during every NFL game he played

[TheBrownBear]

2 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

I get high pretty much every time I play sports.  Sometimes when I go running I am high and usually do about 3-5 miles.  Every time I go biking I am high.  I'm almost 40 and still regularly out perform people in their early 20's when I play sports with them while being high.  How many NBA'ers are high regularly during games?  A lot.  People have a lot of misconceptions about marijuana.  

 

I'm not keen on playing competitive sports when I'm lit, but it's a nice way to spend a couple of hours at the gym, especially when I'm doing longer cardio sessions.

[MJS]

1 minute ago, BUFFALOKIE said:

Exactly. Pre game jitters, etc. Its mostly out of the system, mostly, by the start of warm-ups. Nice and relaxed, perfectly clear headed and (in my experience) extremely focused by that point. No way was he actually "stoned" while on the field. 

 

Takes like 20-30 minutes to start feeling it, correct? Then lasts 2-3 hours on average? I'd say he was probably still high through at least a portion of the game.

[Kelly the Dog]

25 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I just assume everything causes cancer these days.

 

[Bakin]

9 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

You could, and it sounds like you want to try. But without a comprehensive study that demonstrates it, i'm happy with the reality that you're wrong and simply trying to fit your narrative. But have fun with that. 

 

and for the second point, do tell me how you know more about lungs than the american Lung association. I wont wait because i'm done with this thread and with people who are willing to deny logical and science to excuse vices.

 

 

 

Smoke is harmful to lung health. Whether from burning wood, tobacco or marijuana, toxins and carcinogens are released from the combustion of materials. Smoke from marijuana combustion has been shown to contain many of the same toxins, irritants and carcinogens as tobacco smoke.^4-7

 

https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/marijuana-and-lung-health.html

What kills more people?

marijuana addiction or obesity?

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

True that. Yes, heavily processed meats (like Bacon) were recently added to the list of carcinogens by the World Health Organization because they have been shown to cause cancer. Didn't know about coffee, but I don't drink coffee.

 

Supposedly if you let the coffee cool down, it’s better for you.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, Sunshower said:

Probably explains why he wasn’t very good.

 

 

....does he even know?......

[Bakin]

8 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

Oxygen is not a toxin. Doesn't mean that in some circumstances it is not bad for you. But that doesn't make it a toxin.

 

Wrong

 

Oxygen, the gas vital to sustain life, can also destroy it. It may become toxic at an elevated partial pressure....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4925834/

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

Takes like 20-30 minutes to start feeling it, correct? Then lasts 2-3 hours on average? I'd say he was probably still high through at least a portion of the game.

 

If you smoke, it’s instant and lasts about 40-45 minutes.

 

If you eat it, it takes about an hour to kick in.

 

[BUFFALOKIE]

Just now, MJS said:

 

Takes like 20-30 minutes to start feeling it, correct? Then lasts 2-3 hours on average? I'd say he was probably still high through at least a portion of the game.

Incorrect. Im assuming he got the fine herb. The effect is nearly immediate (dank not skank), then lasts for...a while. Go run a lap 30 minutes later, and you won't feel "stoned" at all, but you will be concentrating on your form, etc, and nothing else matters.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

 

I definitely try to. Sugar is also not good. But sugar is not a carcinogen. It also doesn't contain toxic chemicals.

 

Dont be so sure about those last two

[BuffAlone]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

 

Is your argument that smoke isn't toxic? Because smoke, in all it's forms and from all sources, is toxic, including cannabis:

 

"A 2007 study found that while tobacco and cannabis smoke are quite similar, cannabis smoke contained higher amounts of ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, and nitrogen oxides, but lower levels of carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs).[32] This study found that directly inhaled cannabis smoke contained as much as 20 times as much ammonia and 5 times as much hydrogen cyanide as tobacco smoke and compared the properties of both mainstream and sidestream (smoke emitted from a smouldering 'joint' or 'cone') smoke.[32] Mainstream cannabis smoke was found to contain higher concentrations of selected polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) than sidestream tobacco smoke.[32] However, other studies have found much lower disparities in ammonia and hydrogen cyanide between cannabis and tobacco, and that some other constituents (such as polonium-210, lead, arsenic, nicotine, and tobacco-specific nitrosamines) are either lower or non-existent in cannabis smoke.[33][34]

 

Cannabis smoke contains thousands of organic and inorganic chemical compounds. This tar is chemically similar to that found in tobacco smoke or cigars.[35] Over fifty known carcinogens have been identified in cannabis smoke.[36] These include nitrosamines, reactive aldehydes, and polycylic hydrocarbons, including benz[a]pyrene.[37] Marijuana smoke was listed as a cancer agent in California in 2009.[38] A study by the British Lung Foundation published in 2012 identifies cannabis smoke as a carcinogen and also finds awareness of the danger is low compared with the high awareness of the dangers of smoking tobacco particularly among younger users."

Absolutely.

for every article that you can find saying how bad weed is, I can find an equal amount that says bull####

[whatdrought]

5 minutes ago, Bakin said:

What kills more people?

marijuana addiction or obesity?

 

I’m not arguing about the toxcicity of marijuana... go back and look at the context of the thread. My chief argument is that inhaling smoke is always bad for the body and that it is bad to a greater extent than the consumption of sugar.

[MJS]

9 minutes ago, Bakin said:

 

Wrong

 

Oxygen, the gas vital to sustain life, can also destroy it. It may become toxic at an elevated partial pressure....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4925834/

Not wrong. It isn't a toxin.

 

Toxin:

 

"An antigenic poison or venom of plant or animal origin, especially one produced by or derived from microorganisms and causing disease when present at low concentration in the body."

 

"A poisonous substance that is a specific product of the metabolic activities of a living organism and is usually very unstable, notably toxic when introduced into the tissues, and typically capable of inducing antibody formation."

 

"Any poison produced by an organism, characterized by antigenicity in certain animals and high molecular weight, and including the bacterial toxins that are the causative agents of tetanus, diphtheria, etc., and such plant and animal toxins as ricin and snake venom."

Edited October 2, 2019 by MJS

[Wacka]

52 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

It’s tough to get accurate stats on that one like the one I quoted above. 

They call me Tater Salad.

[Augie]

24 minutes ago, Bakin said:

Here come all the anti-weed activists and moralists. 

 

And Bakin!   ?

 

I don’t care what anyone else wants to do in this regard. Who am I to judge? Everything has health risks, and we will all die one day. As long as you’re not hurting anyone else, why should I care?   

[MJS]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

If you smoke, it’s instant and lasts about 40-45 minutes.

 

If you eat it, it takes about an hour to kick in.

 

Hmm, that's not consistent with what I have read from multiple sources, but I assume there's a lot of room for error there. Probably effects everyone differently.

2 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

for every article that you can find saying how bad weed is, I can find an equal amount that says bull####

Mine are supported by science, though.

[1ManRaid]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

 

 

EDIT .. If you didn't know the movie PAUL  ^   v

 

 

 

 

 

Except the originally quoted alien gif was from Men in Black, not Paul.

[Bakin]

10 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

I’m not arguing about the toxcicity of marijuana... go back and look at the context of the thread. My chief argument is that inhaling smoke is always bad for the body and that it is bad to a greater extent than the consumption of sugar.

The leading cause of death is life.

 

If you compared the benefits of marijuana to the benefits of sugar - which list would be longer?

 

Here are the benefits of inhaling marijuana smoke or ingesting cannabinoids. There are at least 61 of them. 

 

https://www.herbonaut.com/benefits-of-marijuana/

 

 

 

[BUFFALOKIE]

23 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

I’m not arguing about the toxcicity of marijuana... go back and look at the context of the thread. My chief argument is that inhaling smoke is always bad for the body and that it is bad to a greater extent than the consumption of sugar.

Depends on the amount of sugar/weed no? 

 

Should I quit using my fireplace...or quit sitting around a camp fire, cuz you know any smoke is bad for you.

 

You know that oxygen causes nearly all things to be corrosive, right? If it were not for that doggon oxygen, we would never get older.

[Royale with Cheese]

27 minutes ago, MJS said:

Hmm, that's not consistent with what I have read from multiple sources, but I assume there's a lot of room for error there. Probably effects everyone differently.

 

I’ve been smoking for 20 years as of all of my friends.  I’ve partied and smoked with probably 200 different people between college, living in Los Angeles and now....it’s pretty consistent.

[Augie]

I seriously doubt this thread ends any time soon of a natural death. 

[Kwai San]

3 hours ago, klos63 said:

I was high at every Bills game I attended.

 Ditto-----22 years of worshiping at The Ralph......and partaking.

[MJS]

16 minutes ago, Bakin said:

The leading cause of death is life.

 

If you compared the benefits of marijuana to the benefits of sugar - which list would be longer?

 

Here are the benefits of inhaling marijuana smoke or ingesting cannabinoids. There are at least 61 of them. 

 

https://www.herbonaut.com/benefits-of-marijuana/

 

The "benefits" are subjective, for one, and don't compare to the harm of inhaling over 50 proven carcinogens. Edibles are a completely different story. I doubt there are long term negative effects for edibles. Even I would try that.

[Kwai San]

2 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

I get high pretty much every time I play sports.  Sometimes when I go running I am high and usually do about 3-5 miles.  Every time I go biking I am high.  I'm almost 40 and still regularly out perform people in their early 20's when I play sports with them while being high.  How many NBA'ers are high regularly during games?  A lot.  People have a lot of misconceptions about marijuana.  

 That they most certainly do.....Reefer Madness!!!!

[1ManRaid]

1 hour ago, Offside#76FredSmerlas said:

Scary thing is that most people who use harder drugs such as heroin always come back to the fact that they started with marijuana which led them to want to take stronger drugs.  If marijuana is a gateway drug and we are in the beginning stages of it being legalized probably in many states what does this say about future drug issues in the upcoming years?  Just like alcohol they are not legalizing it because of its benefits but the governments are legalizing it for the riches brought to the economy. The all mighty dollar. 

"Scary thing is that" people react with knee jerk emotions to things that confirm their biases.  It's correlation, not causation.  People with addictive personalities just would have started with something else if weed didn't exist.  That's like saying we should ban Tylenol because science men say 100% of heroin users have at some point also used Tylenol.  Beware the intellectual scams that are the phrases "linked to" and "consistent with".  You can find that posting on fan forums is "linked to" puppy murder if you twist some numbers and sprinkle in some weasel words.

 

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana/marijuana-gateway-drug

 

...These findings are consistent with the idea of marijuana as a "gateway drug." However, the majority of people who use marijuana do not go on to use other, "harder" substances. Also, cross-sensitization is not unique to marijuana. Alcohol and nicotine also prime the brain for a heightened response to other drugs⁵² and are, like marijuana, also typically used before a person progresses to other, more harmful substances.

It is important to note that other factors besides biological mechanisms, such as a person’s social environment, are also critical in a person’s risk for drug use. An alternative to the gateway-drug hypothesis is that people who are more vulnerable to drug-taking are simply more likely to start with readily available substances such as marijuana, tobacco, or alcohol, and their subsequent social interactions with others who use drugs increases their chances of trying other drugs. Further research is needed to explore this question.

[C.Biscuit97]

Once in college, we got high before practice.  Literally, it was one of the worst decisions I ever made.  I didn’t want to have any physical contact and just feel like I had no stamina.  There are a bunch of other things that I think would be more helpful to play than weed. 

 

That said, it’s so stupid the nfl bans it.  Football is the best sport on each and the nfl is run by morons. 

[Bakin]

8 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

The "benefits" are subjective, for one, and don't compare to the harm of inhaling over 50 proven carcinogens. Edibles are a completely different story. I doubt there are long term negative effects for edibles. Even I would try that.

Uh, the benefits are not subjective. 

Many of them are proven by science. 

Ask a cancer patient or an epileptic or a PTSD sufferer. 

[JohnC]

2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Bill Walton and most of the entire UCLA basketball team that won numerous NCAA titles were high every practice and every game. I knew a guy who played on those teams.

Bill Walton was quite a character. And still is. 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bill+walton+john+wooden+marjiuana&view=detail&mid=C8D486EFDB32636081F6C8D486EFDB32636081F6&FORM=VIRE

[whatdrought]

18 minutes ago, BUFFALOKIE said:

Depends on the amount of sugar/weed no? 

 

Should I quit using my fireplace...or quit sitting around a camp fire, cuz you know any smoke is bad for you.

 

You know that oxygen causes nearly all things to be corrosive, right? If it were not for that doggon oxygen, we would never get older.

 

Again, go look at the context of the thread. I said as much up there. Pound for pound, smoke is worse.

30 minutes ago, Bakin said:

The leading cause of death is life.

 

If you compared the benefits of marijuana to the benefits of sugar - which list would be longer?

 

Here are the benefits of inhaling marijuana smoke or ingesting cannabinoids. There are at least 61 of them. 

 

https://www.herbonaut.com/benefits-of-marijuana/

 

 

 

 

You’re switching the argument (that you weren’t even an original part of) now. I’m saying that inhaling smoke intentionally is bad for the body. Done for no reason other than electively, it’s not wise. Same as how eating excessive sugar for no reason other than joy is unwise. 

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Bill Walton was quite a character. And still is. 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=bill+walton+john+wooden+marjiuana&view=detail&mid=C8D486EFDB32636081F6C8D486EFDB32636081F6&FORM=VIRE

I think weed was a vacation from the stuff Walton did.  Didn’t he used to follow the Dead around?

[BuffAlone]

48 minutes ago, MJS said:

Hmm, that's not consistent with what I have read from multiple sources, but I assume there's a lot of room for error there. Probably effects everyone differently.

Mine are supported by science, though.

again...says every scientist. I'm not just reading high times and throwing poop at the wall. Your article is 20+ years old

[MJS]

Just now, Bakin said:

Uh, the benefits are not subjective. 

Many of them are proven by science. 

Ask a cancer patient or an epileptic or a PTSD sufferer. 

Science doesn't prove things. Science provides models based on evidence.

 

Do you know what subjective means? Based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. Do you know what the most effective form of treatment in history is? The placebo.

And regardless, medical marijuana is not the topic here. There is a huge difference between that and recreational smoking.

[BuffAlone]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

I think weed was a vacation from the stuff Walton did.  Didn’t he used to follow the Dead around?

till the very end he did. still an avid lover of the music

[1ManRaid]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

 

"Over fifty known carcinogens have been identified in cannabis smoke.[36] These include nitrosamines, reactive aldehydes, and polycylic hydrocarbons, including benz[a]pyrene.[37] Marijuana smoke was listed as a cancer agent in California in 2009.[38] A study by the British Lung Foundation published in 2012 identifies cannabis smoke as a carcinogen and also finds awareness of the danger is low compared with the high awareness of the dangers of smoking tobacco particularly among younger users."

It is totally carcinogenic.

The bar for getting listed as a cancer agent in California is notoriously low.  They rely heavily on "linked to" pseudoscience to come to the conclusion that almost EVERYTHING is a "cancer causing agent".  It's a meme that petting kittens and being kind to the elderly is a cancer causing agent in California. 

1 hour ago, MJS said:

 

Incredibly obscure point.

 

Yet it's a valid one.

[3rdnlng]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

You do? I've never heard anything good about this. Weed and antifreeze are really different things

I know. I did antifreeze and then stuffed weed down my radiator. Explain that to your mechanic.

[MJS]

1 minute ago, BuffAlone said:

again...says every scientist. I'm not just reading high times and throwing poop at the wall. Your article is 20+ years old

I never posted a link to an article. So where did you get the "20 years old" thing?

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Science doesn't prove things. Science provides models based on evidence.

 

Do you know what subjective means? Based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. Do you know what the most effective form of treatment in history is? The placebo.

And regardless, medical marijuana is not the topic here. There is a huge difference between that and recreational smoking.

 

Medical marijuana is the best...much more potent.  Colorado dispensaries we’re getting robbed for the product and not the cash.  

 

There would be a safe filled without thousands of dollars, they wouldn’t touch it.  Just wanted the weed. 

[BuffAlone]

Just now, MJS said:

Science doesn't prove things. Science provides models based on evidence.

 

Do you know what subjective means? Based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. Do you know what the most effective form of treatment in history is? The placebo.

And regardless, medical marijuana is not the topic here. There is a huge difference between that and recreational smoking.

not really. if some one likes how they feel while under the "influence" at an early age, say Chrone's Disease, anxiety, what have you, then they were put in the "stoner" category.And labeled a 2nd class citizen. does zantac help your heartburn? ever? you may want to read an updated version of effects caused sir. same thing 

[Augie]

3 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Bill Walton and most of the entire UCLA basketball team that won numerous NCAA titles were high every practice and every game. I knew a guy who played on those teams.

 

THE Bill Walton? SHOCKING, I tell you! 

 

?

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

Yet it's a valid one.

 

It's really not. Has there been a controlled study done on the Icelandic people? If so, that would be interesting. But making a correlation like that and then making claims based on that is not arguable. I'll use the age old cliche: "Correlation does not equal causation".