Romie Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: The tweet from Zays mom a month ago was so oddly specific with pictures of Sammy Watkins and Robert Woods on other teams that this would make sense that he was on the block at the end of training camp. I hope they can get something for him at this point I'm done with him he doesn't bring anything to the table he can't even catch balls cleanly on easy routes.. I'm ready to give Duke a chance Thats all we are saying. Give Duke a chance 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, White Linen said: Well then don't list him as a reason they wouldn't be interested in a different position. Therefore if they would trade a WR for Zay and a pick it wouldn't involve Waller. Waller IS being used as a WR basically was the point, in addition to the big free agent WR named and the guy they just drafted I also named. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said: Waller IS being used as a WR basically was the point, in addition to the big free agent WR named and the guy they just drafted I also named. I understand your point that he catches balls, produces and they wouldn't want to part ways with him. However their second leading WR after Williams has 89 yards. They have a need at WR and could be a trade partner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, Codycolo12 said: The vikings need a wr bad. So they might settle for a bad WR? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codycolo12 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 There 3rd wr is bisi johnson (WHO)? 4 caches 35 yard so there is worse than zay. before him was Chad Beebe (Who)? Not on the team anymore and they only have 4 wr on there depth chart. Dalvin cook leads team in catches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 This is interesting. Had to cut it down to make it so I could download it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, White Linen said: I understand your point that he catches balls, produces and they wouldn't want to part ways with him. However their second leading WR after Williams has 89 yards. They have a need at WR and could be a trade partner. 89 yards and a TD in every game so far I believe. But hey it’s Gruden stranger things have happened. What would Buffalo want from Oakland? Pretty sure the Bills would want a player in return, not just a pick, unless they’re itching to ship Jones off for practically nothing and roll the dice with Foster (hurt) and Duke (a complete unknown). That wouldn’t be wise in my opinion, shipping out parts for picks on a 3-1 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Who the hell would give us something for him? Haha. What I heard was the original trade in place was Zay +pick to Minnesota for Diggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, fansince88 said: This is interesting. Had to cut it down to make it so I could download it. doesn’t take into account uncatchable targets. SIS has Jones at 7/8 “catchable” targets in their adjusted catch% stat. That’s 87%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: doesn’t take into account uncatchable targets. SIS has Jones at 7/8 “catchable” targets in their adjusted catch% stat. That’s 87%. Just wondering out loud. Could it be because he isnt gettin to where he should be? Others have more catchable passes? Edited October 1, 2019 by fansince88 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 The guy had a somewhat decent year, what happened with jones to fall out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 I’d trade him and a low rounder for Emmanuel Sanders who is also rumored to be on the trade block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, fansince88 said: Just wondering out loud. Could it be because he isnt gettin to where he should be? Others have more catchable passes? Very well could be. All I know is SIS’ statistics are cited by some of the Cover 1 guys who cover the Bills pretty religiously. I don’t personally know what their methodology is behind that stat but I’ll try to find out. And speaking of cover 1 Aaron Quinn went through every one of Zay’s targets this season today on twitter. Linking from my phone is a pain but its there. The tl;dr of his thread was: people are being psychos about Zay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Great. We can trade him plus a mid-round draft pick for … a mid-round draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, fansince88 said: This is interesting. Had to cut it down to make it so I could download it. According to this chart, why would Josh Allen ever look his way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said: Very well could be. All I know is SIS’ statistics are cited by some of the Cover 1 guys who cover the Bills pretty religiously. I don’t personally know what their methodology is behind that stat but I’ll try to find out. And speaking of cover 1 Aaron Quinn went through every one of Zay’s targets this season today on twitter. Linking from my phone is a pain but its there. The tl;dr of his thread was: people are being psychos about Zay. Some would say the coach is near psycho then. What Im saying is when a deep throw is put up it is thrown to a spot. The receiver needs to be to that spot. Brown is getting there. Knox is getting there. Im saying that Zay is not getting there. Is thst on Zay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: 89 yards and a TD in every game so far I believe. But hey it’s Gruden stranger things have happened. What would Buffalo want from Oakland? Pretty sure the Bills would want a player in return, not just a pick, unless they’re itching to ship Jones off for practically nothing and roll the dice with Foster (hurt) and Duke (a complete unknown). That wouldn’t be wise in my opinion, shipping out parts for picks on a 3-1 team. They aren't getting a significant player back for Zay - unless someone is trying to unload a player - then in that case we'll be the ones giving up a pick. If the report is true, I'd guess they'll take a pick for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Who the hell would give us something for him? They got a draft pick for Bodine, so... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, the skycap said: According to this chart, why would Josh Allen ever look his way? Because he was his option this Sunday. With Foster out and Brown covered Zay was the option. I think that was why McD looked so mad today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, fansince88 said: Some would say the coach is near psycho then. What Im saying is when a deep throw is put up it is thrown to a spot. The receiver needs to be to that spot. Brown is getting there. Knox is getting there. Im saying that Zay is not getting there. Is thst on Zay? Allen is not accurately throwing to all of his “spots” and even implying that is one of the most blatant excuses for Allen’s poor play that I’ve seen. Beasley has as many drops as Jones. Knox has more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrooter Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 25 minutes ago, Codycolo12 said: There 3rd wr is bisi johnson (WHO)? 4 caches 35 yard so there is worse than zay. before him was Chad Beebe (Who)? Not on the team anymore and they only have 4 wr on there depth chart. Dalvin cook leads team in catches. Don Beebes son that's who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, White Linen said: They aren't getting a significant player back for Zay - unless someone is trying to unload a player - then in that case we'll be the ones giving up a pick. If the report is true, I'd guess they'll take a pick for him. and does that sound smart to you if they did that? Trade away a contributor on a team that’s 3rd in the AFC for draft picks? Without really a proven replacement behind him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Virgil said: Based upon this board, I think most accept a bag of dirt and rusty nails Play hardball. See if they will throw in some compost and grass seeds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekills17 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, billrooter said: Don Beebes son that's who. I don't think that was a literal who. If Steve Tasker's son moved from CFL to NFL we'd know his famous father too. Doesn't mean I'd know who his son is from a "I care because he's any good as a WR" perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: Allen is not accurately throwing to all of his “spots” and even implying that is one of the most blatant excuses for Allen’s poor play that I’ve seen. Beasley has as many drops as Jones. Knox has more. Oh, ok. You know where his spots are. I do not. That is why Im saying "is it possible?". Didnt realize you knew that when he threw the ball to the 15yd line and Zay was only at the 18 it was an over throw and not he didnt get to the spot he was supposed to be at. Thanks for the correction. Edited October 1, 2019 by fansince88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, fansince88 said: Oh, ok. You know where his spots are. I do not. That is why Im saying "is it possible?". Didnt realize you knew that when he threw the ball to the 15yd line and Zay was only at the 12 it was an over throw and not he didnt get to the spot he was supposed to be at. Thanks for the correction. It’s very possible as I’ve said. I’d rather look and see how exactly this stat house determines their adjustments but I’ll just assume they are looking at the route that was run and the pass placement. No way of knowing if Jones is, I suppose, running wrong routes all the time and that’s why it looks like Allen is under or overthrowing him. I doubt that, but it’s possible. Something tells me if Jones is constantly off on his routes he wouldn’t be on the field though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrooter Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, timekills17 said: I don't think that was a literal who. If Steve Tasker's son moved from CFL to NFL we'd know his famous father too. Doesn't mean I'd know who his son is from a "I care because he's any good as a WR" perspective. Wow thanks for breaking it down for me, much appreciated. Tasker to Bills fans might be a bit more famous that Don Beebe especially to the younger crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 23 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: I’d trade him and a low rounder for Emmanuel Sanders who is also rumored to be on the trade block Do you remember where you heard that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: Do you remember where you heard that? Makes sense. They are 0-4 and just lost their 1st rd'er... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 I just do not see much trade value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Kind of matches up with those tweets from his mom and dad It's impossible for me to list all the things for which I am thankful. But you can add to that list that I'm thankful my parents didn't have access to Twitter. "Why is my son attending the junior prom with a blind date?" #fuglyson #yourbrothersneverhadtroublegettingadate #daughterweneverhad "If you see my son at the club tonight, tell him we found his stash of porn and roaches." #ronjeremyyouain't #whyishernamechristycanyon #canonlyaffordskunkweed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, r00tabaga said: Makes sense. They are 0-4 and just lost their 1st rd'er... Agreed, wondering if he's heard something more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Trade him to the Flint Tropics for a washing machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: It's impossible for me to list all the things for which I am thankful. But you can add to that list that I'm thankful my parents didn't have access to Twitter. "Why is my son attending the junior prom with a blind date?" #fuglyson #yourbrothersneverhadtroublegettingadate #daughterweneverhad "If you see my son at the club tonight, tell him we found his stash of porn and roaches." #ronjeremyyouain't #whyishernamechristycanyon #canonlyaffordskunkweed Ain't that the truth. I'm so glad there weren't cameras everywhere to capture my reprobate behavior as a teenager. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Ain't that the truth. I'm so glad there weren't cameras everywhere to capture my reprobate behavior as a teenager. Cameras? I can’t imagine my troubles if we even had email or Facebook. I caught it with personal visits and a phone book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: It’s very possible as I’ve said. I’d rather look and see how exactly this stat house determines their adjustments but I’ll just assume they are looking at the route that was run and the pass placement. No way of knowing if Jones is, I suppose, running wrong routes all the time and that’s why it looks like Allen is under or overthrowing him. I doubt that, but it’s possible. Something tells me if Jones is constantly off on his routes he wouldn’t be on the field though. 2 things I would add in here... Regardless of whether or not passes were catchable or not, there is one clear point...and that is Zay and Allen have no chemistry. Since Allen returned last year against Jax, they have played 10 games together and Zay has 33 yards or less in 7 of them while guys like Foster and Brown have multiple 100 yard games. Zay himself said after practice in an interview during one of our camps this year that Josh pulled him aside and said he didn't like how he was running his routes and told him what he wanted him to do. So we already know that Allen has had to talk to Zay about his route running this off season. For whatever reason, Allen and Zay just aren't clicking on the field. To be fair, Foster and McKenzie have done even less, although at least McKenzie did score a TD on one of his 3 catches. Bottom line: Allen needs more help from his WR's, he cant just keep relying on two small WR's only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 28 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: Allen is not accurately throwing to all of his “spots” and even implying that is one of the most blatant excuses for Allen’s poor play that I’ve seen. Beasley has as many drops as Jones. Knox has more. Have Beasley or Knox stood there dumbfounded while opposing DBs picked off any of those bad passes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, jimmy10 said: Have Beasley or Knox stood there dumbfounded while opposing DBs picked off any of those bad passes? Just pointing it out. The breakup attempts are a separate issue from his supposed drops. Obviously all the receivers on the team better learn how to act as defenders, and quickly, given where some of these passes are headed once they leave Allen’s hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: Exactly...NOTHING gets leaked from there anymore Leaks don't have to come from the team. Theirs agents, players and players families. All 3 of those sound pretty viable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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