LSHMEAB Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: 6-3 in Super Bowls < 4-0. Yeah, I'm gonna have to say absolutely not. How in the world is 6 rings and 9 SB appearances a lesser achievement than 4 rings in 4 tries? We're not talking about a batting title here. Edited November 23, 2019 by LSHMEAB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: Yeah, I don't understand the point. He'll check out the same as pretty much every QB to have played the position; on his last legs. Not quite sure what his career has to do with THIS SEASON. He's the G.O.A.T. in my personal opinion. But he's pretty much done. Both statements can be true. Brady is pretty much done. What more is there for him to accomplish. He has had a career that most QB's could only dream about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Tiger collapsed catastrophically... seems a lot of the compulsion and obsession that fuel greatness interact with human flaws to cause stumbles too. he has worked himself back into the mix though. cheering for him as always my point was about those badmouthing him every week during the prime of his career yay.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Stop me if you've seen this before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 5 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: 10 championships is still 10 championships. you cannot diminish them with praise for Tainted Tom Remember the Putz got 11 wins with Meh Cassel. He didn’t do squat for Buffalo and he totally sucked when he had to play in Dallas. Brisset and Garoppolo also won a number of games when Tommy was banned for deflate gate The "but Cassel won 11 games years ago!" take has always been so lame. It was also the only season in the past 16 years they didn't make the playoffs. The "number of games" that Garoppolo and Brisset won is "3", combined. How many HOF players did Yogi play with? 9 year after year on the same team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The "but Cassel won 11 games years ago!" take has always been so lame. It was also the only season in the past 16 years they didn't make the playoffs. The "number of games" that Garoppolo and Brisset won is "3", combined. How many HOF players did Yogi play with? 9 year after year on the same team. And didn't BB go 5-11 with Drew Bledsoe and start the next season 0-2? I think BB was also a HC in Cleveland, but these are just pesky facts that get in the way of a narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: And didn't BB go 5-11 with Drew Bledsoe and start the next season 0-2? I think BB was also a HC in Cleveland, but these are just pesky facts that get in the way of a narrative. Lombardi has some rough years as coach, so that ruins all his accomplishments to you? you can look him up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: Lombardi has some rough years as coach, so that ruins all his accomplishments to you? you can look him up... My point wasn't to diminish BB as a HC. I think he may very well be the best of all time. My point was to highlight the fact that BB didn't start winning until he found his QB(Brady). There are people who claim that TB is merely a product of the system and that BB could win with anyone. That narrative is defied by factual history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: 6-3 in Super Bowls < 4-0. So.....you would take the guy with 4 gold medals over the guy with 6 gold medals and 3 silver.... ? How does that make sense ? Edited November 23, 2019 by Iron Maiden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: My point wasn't to diminish BB as a HC. I think he may very well be the best of all time. My point was to highlight the fact that BB didn't start winning until he found his QB(Brady). There are people who claim that TB is merely a product of the system and that BB could win with anyone. That narrative is defied by factual history. To be fair, BB inherited a 3 win Browns team and made it into an 11-5 team and a playoff win with Testeverde and Leroy Hoard..... 3 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: 6-3 in Super Bowls < 4-0. Why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Just now, Mr. WEO said: To be fair, BB inherited a 3 win Browns team and made it into an 11-5 team and a playoff win with Testeverde and Leroy Hoard..... That's totally fair. My OVERALL point is that there are people who legitimately believe that Charlie Whitehurst could win SB's with BB as HC. It's nonsense and a desperate attempt to diminish what Brady has accomplished. They always conveniently leave out the Bledsoe season as well as his time with the Browns. Is Brady more important? Is BB more important? I don't know. You could make a strong case for either IMO. Kind of strange to be defending TB whilst proclaiming him done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Sundancer said: Stop me if you've seen this before. Actually, I’ve never thought he looked check out before this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: The "but Cassel won 11 games years ago!" take has always been so lame. It was also the only season in the past 16 years they didn't make the playoffs. The "number of games" that Garoppolo and Brisset won is "3", combined. How many HOF players did Yogi play with? 9 year after year on the same team. 11 wins isn’t good enough OK When you have to cheat at least 3 times and have the Refs at your back (Tuck Rule) poo poo that all you want. *** will remain attached to them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: 11 wins isn’t good enough OK When you have to cheat at least 3 times and have the Refs at your back (Tuck Rule) poo poo that all you want. *** will remain attached to them. 11 wins wasn't good enough, no. wtf? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: And didn't BB go 5-11 with Drew Bledsoe and start the next season 0-2? I think BB was also a HC in Cleveland, but these are just pesky facts that get in the way of a narrative. Belichick also won 2 SBs as Parcells's defensive coordinator, one we might remember well. You say it's a narrative like it's a speculative Internet theory born from Twatter. Belichick's record as NFL head coach is incomparable, even with a few seasons where he didn't make the playoffs. To point to his very few seasons of where he was not doing well as some kind of counterpoint is weak sauce. Edited November 24, 2019 by Sundancer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 14 hours ago, Sundancer said: Belichick also won 2 SBs as Parcells's defensive coordinator, one we might remember well. You say it's a narrative like it's a speculative Internet theory born from Twatter. Belichick's record as NFL head coach is incomparable, even with a few seasons where he didn't make the playoffs. To point to his very few seasons of where he was not doing well as some kind of counterpoint is weak sauce. Did you miss the part where I said BB may very well be the best HC of all time? Because it seems like you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Tom Brady remains confused about the failure of his clock-killing throw to kill the clock Hey Tom Take a knee!!!!! that will end it OR Snap the ball, run back 5 yards and slide 21 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: Did you miss the part where I said BB may very well be the best HC of all time? Because it seems like you did. Constant blatant cheaters should not get respect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Tom Brady doesn't look like the Tom Brady of even last year imo. I do believe we are finally starting to see the decline in play. If I remember correctly this is how it was the 2014 season towards the end of the year for Manning and then in 2015 he just completely nosedived. It could be that he and the offense miss a weapon like Gronk that much, but I happen to think it is more than that. There isn't enough avocado icecream in the world to stave off Father Time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Brady is finished, This should be his last year unless he wants to be replaced next season. He is holding the offense back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Plano said: Brady is finished, This should be his last year unless he wants to be replaced next season. He is holding the offense back. 4th most yards passing in the NFL. I wish we had a QB as finished as Brady. (Not a knock on Josh. He's awesome. Just saying, I've seen this Brady is finished thread before.) Edited November 25, 2019 by Sundancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sundancer said: 4th most yards passing in the NFL. I wish we had a QB as finished as Brady. (Not a knock on Josh. He's awesome. Just saying, I've seen this Brady is finished thread before.) He has been in steady decline since the Bills game. He gets 30 yards when he throws a 5 yard pass. He is the worst QB in the NFL when pressured. I posted a link to a great article on his decline in one of these threads. You should read it. he is still pretty good but his arm doesn’t have it anymore really. That defense is keeping them going. Not Brady. Edited November 25, 2019 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Pro Football Focus ranks New England's special teams as the second best of 2019. The offense, however, has been underwhelming. The Patriots are averaging just two points per drive, the fifth-lowest rate for the franchise since Coach Bill Belichick took over in 2000.6 days ago Tom Brady is no longer an elite quarterback - The Washington ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 11/23/2019 at 2:23 PM, Dr.Sack said: 6-3 in Super Bowls < 4-0. This literally makes zero sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 He definitely appears diminished. The defense and coaching are elite. If NE wins the Superbowl, I would be shocked if he tries to return for 2020. No matter what, I also expect the Patriots to immediately get serious about the replacement, unless they are grooming Stidham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Yup, he definitely is a High end game manager this year. And they still are probably going to win the SB. It sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yup, he definitely is a High end game manager this year. And they still are probably going to win the SB. It sucks. SF/NE Superbowl. SF/Garoppolo wins. Brady retires. NE to the abyss for years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: SF/NE Superbowl. SF/Garoppolo wins. Brady retires. NE to the abyss for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, H2o said: Tom Brady doesn't look like the Tom Brady of even last year imo. I do believe we are finally starting to see the decline in play. If I remember correctly this is how it was the 2014 season towards the end of the year for Manning and then in 2015 he just completely nosedived. It could be that he and the offense miss a weapon like Gronk that much, but I happen to think it is more than that. There isn't enough avocado icecream in the world to stave off Father Time. been hearing this since 2012 or so EVERYONE knows he is in decline, this is no secret you are holding or do you have people in your life insisting Tom will still be the best QB even in 2030? the problem is he STILL wins even as he declines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: been hearing this since 2012 or so EVERYONE knows he is in decline, this is no secret you are holding or do you have people in your life insisting Tom will still be the best QB even in 2030? the problem is he STILL wins even as he declines 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 He also has the worst compliment of skill players I’ve seen in awhile, especially with Edelman banged up all season and likely on the decline himself. Odd that they got rid of Gordon but- They had Newhouse starting at LT The ground game hasn’t been great in supporting him No Gronkowski, No more Gordon for whatever reason, N’Keal Harry was banged up most of the season, Sanu was injured, Dorsett injured... Lots of factors into Tom’s “decline” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said: He also has the worst compliment of skill players I’ve seen in awhile, especially with Edelman banged up all season and likely on the decline himself. Odd that they got rid of Gordon but- They had Newhouse starting at LT The ground game hasn’t been great in supporting him No Gronkowski, No more Gordon for whatever reason, N’Keal Harry was banged up most of the season, Sanu was injured, Dorsett injured... Lots of factors into Tom’s “decline” Yeah this. The 4th most yards in the NFL right now Tom Brady...imagine how awful he'd be if AB wasn't a nutjob. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Tom Brady complains about officials stopping clock in last second of win over Cowboys Brady irked when officials don't bend rules for Pats https://www.yahoo.com/sports/tom-brady-complains-about-officials-stopping-clock-in-last-second-of-win-over-cowboys-022057686.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 9:26 AM, YoloinOhio said: In addition to playing like *****, Brady looked miserable during the game yesterday, lacked the fire he usually shows. He doesn’t appear to be having fun. He doesn’t look or sound like the same player. Interesting that he mentions in this interview the mental and physical grind taking a toll - it’s only week 4. He can see he’s playing 3 more years as much as he wants but I don’t buy it right now. U called it yolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 I’ve been beating this drum too. People called me insane. Brady just can’t make the throws anymore like he use too. Texans showed how to beat them. Cover White with a DB and double Edelman. Make Brady beat you by finding another open receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 A buddy of mine from Boston who is the only actual pats fan I know has been telling me since week four that Brady looks his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 50%% or less pass completion two games straight??? Say it aint so!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: 50%% or less pass completion two games straight??? Say it aint so!!! Imagine if our QB did that ????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 7 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I’ve been beating this drum too. People called me insane. Brady just can’t make the throws anymore like he use too. Texans showed how to beat them. Cover White with a DB and double Edelman. Make Brady beat you by finding another open receiver. Mid way last season I noticed he lost the mid to deep ball. Take the short quick stuff away and you beat them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, CSBill said: Imagine if our QB did that ????? There were times receivers were open and he missed horribly. Collinsworth was on his jock strap saying receiver this receiver that- total bs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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