billsfan89 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I won't bet against Tom Brady until I see it. Does he look more like a game manager this season? Yes. But that doesn't mean that come playoff time he isn't going to turn it on and turn the Pats into a machine. I hope this doesn't happen of course. But I have seen many predictions of Brady's decline and nothing happened. So until I see Pats and the Brady lose in a big game I don't write them off at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I won't bet against Tom Brady until I see it. Does he look more like a game manager this season? Yes. But that doesn't mean that come playoff time he isn't going to turn it on and turn the Pats into a machine. I hope this doesn't happen of course. But I have seen many predictions of Brady's decline and nothing happened. So until I see Pats and the Brady lose in a big game I don't write them off at all. Once again, I never wrote them off. That doesn’t mean that HE is not in decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 The one who has me confused is Edelman. He’s dropping passes like never before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) Just now, Gray Beard said: The one who has me confused is Edelman. He’s dropping passes like never before. Maybe they’re having relationship issues Edited November 22, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I won't bet against Tom Brady until I see it. Does he look more like a game manager this season? Yes. But that doesn't mean that come playoff time he isn't going to turn it on and turn the Pats into a machine. I hope this doesn't happen of course. But I have seen many predictions of Brady's decline and nothing happened. So until I see Pats and the Brady lose in a big game I don't write them off at all. The Pats will be a tough out in the playoffs because of their defense. I know it seems like forever waiting for Brady to decline but I think "father time" has finally caught up to him. His play hasn't fallen as badly as Peyton's did the last two years of his career but it has declined. At 42 he isn't going to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Greg S said: The Pats will be a tough out in the playoffs because of their defense. I know it seems like forever waiting for Brady to decline but I think "father time" has finally caught up to him. His play hasn't fallen as badly as Peyton's did the last two years of his career but it has declined. At 42 he isn't going to get better. Avocado ice cream is a hell of a drug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ROCBillsBeliever Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Maybe they’re having relationship issues I heard it whispered, in a high level business meeting, that PEDelman is no longer agreeing to change TB12's lace panties between every quarter. He's been angling for once per game, and now Tommy is getting cranky. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 37 minutes ago, row_33 said: and Andy Reid choking away every close game, maybe the Chiefs can beat them by 28 though I want to see the two car funeral run by Reid and Gase. Then again, the last few moments of the Bills-Eagles was nothing to write home about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 39 minutes ago, Gray Beard said: The one who has me confused is Edelman. He’s dropping passes like never before. I agree. It seems like every time I watch them he drops another one or two. They aren't always easy catches, but they are the catches he always seems to make. Not this season. As for Brady, I've thought for a month or two now that he'll hang em up after this season. I think you can see it in his body language. He really doesn't like the grind any more, just as he said, and when doing what those guys do becomes only a job, that's when they need to quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: lol Bucky Brooks, jumping in way late with the super hot mainstream take there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Brady declining isnt enough for me. I want the entire patriots organization to start declining. I need belichick's coaching to start to fail, i want lucky bounces to stop going their way. I want them to start losing more then they win. I want their fans to stop showing up, because their team is boring and incompetitent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) I referenced this about Brady after the Eagles game and I based most of it on one concept. Not evaluating how good he is currently or how long he can play above average football. Just evaluating the psychological challenges age can have on a player like him. He's one of the most competitive players in NFL history. Not only from a standpoint of winning and losing but from the standpoint of evaluating his own performance. He has be talking for years about how long he can play. I don't think he really got his head around the concept that his body could just start failing him. So in a situation where he might have played poorly in the past he would usually show the poor body language, dust himself off, and whoever played him the following week good luck. What I think he's finding now is he keeps dusting himself off and nothing is happening. He keeps hitting a wall against what his expectations of himself are. He will come to the realization very soon that he will never be the player he was. Given who he is as a competitor, I just don't think he can survive long in that environment. He is too critical with himself and the psychological tole will eventually do him in. This is his last season in my opinion. Edited November 23, 2019 by KzooMike 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, KzooMike said: I referenced this about Brady after the Eagles game and I based most of it on one concept. Not evaluating how good he currently is or how long he play above average football. Just evaluating the psychological challenges age can have for a player like him. He's one of the most competitive players in NFL history. Not only from a standpoint of winning and losing, but from the standpoint of evaluating his own performance. He has be talking for years about how long he can play. I don't think he really got his head fully around the concept that his body could just start failing him. So in a situation where he might have played poorly in the past, he would usually show the poor body language. Dust himself off and whoever played them the following week good luck. What I think he's finding now is he keeps dusting himself off and nothing is happening. He keeps hitting a wall against what his expectations of himself are. He will come to the realization very soon that he will never be the player he was. Given who he is as a competitor, I just don't think he can survive long in that environment. He is too critical with himself and the psychological tole will eventually do him in. This is his last season. Calling the shot now. I like this post and the reasoning that’s worked out, but I see things differently. I think I’m in the minority now that thinks he looks the same as ever. To me, the bigger change has been that he isn’t getting the protection he used to get. He used to stand flat footed in the red zone for 10+ seconds and eventually hit a receiver on the backline of the end zone. This season he finally has to play behind an offensive line that resembles what other QBs play with. He always has avoided contact like crazy, but now we just see him do it at a higher frequency because he actually gets pressured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Just wait. It’s gonna happen and when it does I hope and pray you Pats fans come on here to OUR board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Greg S said: The Pats will be a tough out in the playoffs because of their defense. I know it seems like forever waiting for Brady to decline but I think "father time" has finally caught up to him. His play hasn't fallen as badly as Peyton's did the last two years of his career but it has declined. At 42 he isn't going to get better. Peyton was still good up until his last year when he looked completely shot. I just assume Brady will suddenly turn it on during the playoffs until I see otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Brady: 3 league MVP's, 6 SB wins, 4 SB MVP's. Yeah, he can check out, like no other ever will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Peyton was still good up until his last year when he looked completely shot. I just assume Brady will suddenly turn it on during the playoffs until I see otherwise. Yeah I feel the same way. The regular season there’s not much for him to accomplish or prove other than playoff seeding which they will easily be in consideration for a home game. As much as he looks like trash to me, I thought he looked that way last year too. I fully expect him to show up when the games count more. Even the Baltimore game it didn’t even look like New England cared they got trounced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 He's 42 years old. He's arguably the best of all time. I think checking out is the correct choice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: lol Bucky Brooks, jumping in way late with the super hot mainstream take there.... I think I was right my friend. You're an excellent poster, but I'm giving myself the dub on the offseason TB12 debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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