Josh Allen 2019 Regular Season at 58.8% Completion Percentage

[london_bills]

9 minutes ago, K-9 said:

That’s on you, then. But you may want to brace yourself because Allen is going to have bad plays, bad series, and bad games while you’re waiting. You’ll be wallowing in more misery. 
 

It’s interesting, from a psychological standpoint, that his bad throws are so definitive while every other aspect of QB play, INCLUDING those aspects that don’t involve throwing the ball, are ignored. 

 

 

 

Certainly not wallowed in misery. I think my opinion makes others feel miserable!

 

Clearly he is going to have 'bad plays, series and games while I'm waiting', my concern is that maybe we will be having the same conversation in the future. 

 

For his other aspects to have been ignored they would have had to been ignored. Allen has great of the field traits. A quarterback will always be defined by bad throws though. 

[JaCrispy]

11 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Speaking directly to a point that YOU brought up? Are you confident that you know what the colloquialism "cherry picking" actually means?

Picking red fruit from a tree?

[london_bills]

5 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Nor does a bad throw, which everyone acknowledges he's made, mean he won't be!

 

You also seem to need to be right about the inconsistency. I'll answer with Yes he is somewhat, most would acknowledge that, so there's that.

 

Serious question? can you acknowledge that will improve and already has?

Yes there has been improvement. Yes yes yes! But there have been things that haven't improved aswell. I just feel I am right with the inconsistency. We all think we are right but I will admit if I'm wrong. I'm not stubborn if I can see I'm wrong. 

[Pokebball]

30 minutes ago, london_bills said:

It all depends how you view Allen.

 

For me it buys into the fact that he's inconsistent. I thought the dallas game he was more consistent in his play. 

 

If he plays a difficult defense and makes a poor throw people might look and find reasons as to why it was a bad throw. These things would be right, it's not always totally on him, if the line collapses for example. 

 

I suppose I'm waiting to be proved wrong about his inconsistency. That's probably why every bad throw feels like it says something defining about him. 

 

 

Each of us focuses on what we choose to focus on.  And it defines us.

[thebandit27]

17 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

And guys, just for the record, it’s ok to criticize players for playing poorly... you don’t have to be scared of someone taking your fan card away lol

 

You can still root for Josh and criticize him at the same time...it’s not a “dis or dat”. ?

 

i feel like there are some fans that feel they just have to toe the line of always praising Allen, and ridiculing those who just want better from their QBS,  and point out where he needs to improve. 

 

Of course it's fine to point out where he needs to improve. The problem is that many people try to pass off over-the-top criticism as just pointing out where he needs to improve.

 

Case in point: in this very post you're saying he played poorly. He had over 100 passer rating and numerous elite-level plays that gave the team a chance to win against the best defense in the league, in their building, in a game the opponent needed to win, in prime time.

 

Now, if you want to say that he's not good enough yet to get it done, fine. Totally defensible. To call what he did on Saturday "playing poorly" is outrageous IMO. Especially if it's all based upon "COMPLETION PERCENTAGE!!!1!1!111!1"

2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Picking red fruit from a tree?

 

Should I back up and ask if you are familiar with the term "colloquialism"? ?

[london_bills]

1 minute ago, Pokebball said:

Each of us focuses on what we choose to focus on.  And it defines us.

Very true. You mean how one person is an optimist and another a pessimist for example? 

 

Not to say it isn't to you but the truth is very important to me.

[K-9]

2 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Certainly not wallowed in misery. I think my opinion makes others feel miserable!

 

Clearly he is going to have 'bad plays, series and games while I'm waiting', my concern is that maybe we will be having the same conversation in the future. 

 

For his other aspects to have been ignored they would have had to been ignored. Allen has great of the field traits. A quarterback will always be defined by bad throws though. 

Maybe by fans who judge the position on only the most superficial level. And that’s fine. But those fans are missing the bigger picture in the meantime. 

[london_bills]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

Maybe by fans who judge the position on only the most superficial level. And that’s fine. But those fans are missing the bigger picture in the meantime. 

What's the bigger picture? 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

4 minutes ago, london_bills said:

What's the bigger picture? 

That the bad throws need to be balanced with the great ones. If he has a 102.7 rating against the number 1 defense that is a balance metric. I mean if he threw a couple picks too it would go way down, he didn't. When a QB has 100+ rating his team almost always wins, unless the opponents QB is over 100 too.....Guess what? Brady

Edited December 23, 2019 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[K-9]

4 minutes ago, london_bills said:

What's the bigger picture? 

Well, those aspects of QB play that don’t involve throwing the ball, for starters. 
 

Allen was the greenest of green horns entering the league. He followed a path to the NFL that entailed the least amount of QB experience and development; the polar opposite of his peers who attended elite QB camps from middle school on and who then went on to become star recruits at the position at major college programs. He was just miles behind developmentally and that needs to be remembered. 
 

There is an old scouting axiom that still holds true: it takes 1,000 attempts to make a determination on a prospect as a passer. Just because we live in a cap era with free agency and the compressed time schedules for development as a result, doesn’t make that any less true. ESPECIALLY for under developed prospects coming in, like Josh Allen for example.
 

The pressure for these young QBs to be immediate success stories and lead teams to playoff and SB wins is intense, even unprecedented. But Allen is still a couple hundred attempts away from that 1,000 mark and all signs point to an upward trajectory. I’ll choose to wait before pronouncing judgement on his success as an NFL quarterback. 

[JaCrispy]

25 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Of course it's fine to point out where he needs to improve. The problem is that many people try to pass off over-the-top criticism as just pointing out where he needs to improve.

 

Case in point: in this very post you're saying he played poorly. He had over 100 passer rating and numerous elite-level plays that gave the team a chance to win against the best defense in the league, in their building, in a game the opponent needed to win, in prime time.

 

Now, if you want to say that he's not good enough yet to get it done, fine. Totally defensible. To call what he did on Saturday "playing poorly" is outrageous IMO. Especially if it's all based upon "COMPLETION PERCENTAGE!!!1!1!111!1"

 

Should I back up and ask if you are familiar with the term "colloquialism"? ?

You ain’t my judge...?

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

Sounds like cherry picking...

 

That is a breathtaking reply given your last hour of criticism. 

[JaCrispy]

Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

That is a breathtaking reply given your last hour of criticism. 

You’re welcome ? 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

You’re welcome ? 

 

You took my breath away. I see you, handsome. You do you. 

[london_bills]

46 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

That the bad throws need to be balanced with the great ones. If he has a 102.7 rating against the number 1 defense that is a balance metric. I mean if he threw a couple picks too it would go way down, he didn't. When a QB has 100+ rating his team almost always wins, unless the opponents QB is over 100 too.....Guess what? Brady

 

That the bad throws need to be balanced with the great ones

 

I am concerned with a QB who makes the hard throws and misses the easy ones. This nature is always going to polarise fans. 

 

Yes I know that's a high passer rating but.. 

 

He was 13/26. 50% completion.

We scored 17 points. 

 

Few games ago Bills were 9-0 when Allen was 60% or more. Pats are a good defence but it would have been great for Allen to be closer to 60 percent. 

 

He has improved the picks and the deep passes were awesome. 

Edited December 23, 2019 by london_bills

[ColoradoBills]

28 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Very true. You mean how one person is an optimist and another a pessimist for example? 

 

Not to say it isn't to you but the truth is very important to me.

 

Optimist/Pessimist, Homer/Hater, Black/White, All This/All That are nothing but 2 sides of the same coin.

Reality lies somewhere in between these extremes.

Human nature and experiences clouds the best of us.

 

Personally as a fan of this team I trend towards "hopefulness" lately with both Josh Allen and the team as a whole.

This has been a pleasant change from the past.

I've seen improvement in his game (can't agree with some who have not) BUT I don't know how much more we will see.

It makes future games fun to watch and for me "predicting" his future success is a exercise in futility.

 

I can name a half dozen things JA needs to improve on and another half dozen things he does well.

I do believe he will give good effort in improving and all I can do is wait and see what happens.

Thus ends my $0.02 of the truth about Josh Allen.

 

 

[london_bills]

41 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Well, those aspects of QB play that don’t involve throwing the ball, for starters. 
 

Allen was the greenest of green horns entering the league. He followed a path to the NFL that entailed the least amount of QB experience and development; the polar opposite of his peers who attended elite QB camps from middle school on and who then went on to become star recruits at the position at major college programs. He was just miles behind developmentally and that needs to be remembered. 
 

There is an old scouting axiom that still holds true: it takes 1,000 attempts to make a determination on a prospect as a passer. Just because we live in a cap era with free agency and the compressed time schedules for development as a result, doesn’t make that any less true. ESPECIALLY for under developed prospects coming in, like Josh Allen for example.
 

The pressure for these young QBs to be immediate success stories and lead teams to playoff and SB wins is intense, even unprecedented. But Allen is still a couple hundred attempts away from that 1,000 mark and all signs point to an upward trajectory. I’ll choose to wait before pronouncing judgement on his success as an NFL quarterback. 

Thanks, that's a good read.

 

1.There is a big 'wanting him to succeed narrative' which I am part of aswell. But I think I see it for what it is and don't allow it to always 'colour' my views. 

2. I dont know the answer as to whether he will make it either but im not going to reserve any opinionated posts for three years until the judgement is in. That's what being a fan is about, living the moments. 

 

There are some things that happen that I wonder whether we will be talking about in 3 years. My posts after the dallas game were very different to this week. 

Edited December 23, 2019 by london_bills

[JaCrispy]

3 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Thanks, that's a good read.

 

1.There is a big 'wanting him to succeed narrative' which I am part of aswell. But I think I see it for what it is and don't allow it to always 'colour' my views. 

2. I dont know the answer as to whether he will make it either but im not going to reserve any opinionated posts for three years until the judgement is in. That's what being a fan is about, living the moments. 

 

There are some things that happen that I wonder whether we will be talking about in 3 years. My posts after the dallas game were very different to this week. 

Couldn’t have said it better myself...?

[K-9]

1 hour ago, london_bills said:

Thanks, that's a good read.

 

1.There is a big 'wanting him to succeed narrative' which I am part of aswell. But I think I see it for what it is and don't allow it to always 'colour' my views. 

2. I dont know the answer as to whether he will make it either but im not going to reserve any opinionated posts for three years until the judgement is in. That's what being a fan is about, living the moments. 

 

There are some things that happen that I wonder whether we will be talking about in 3 years. My posts after the dallas game were very different to this week. 

I can respect that.

 

But there is a segment of the forumthat offers up opinionated posts as pronouncements. And that’s just foolish given where Allen is in his development. 

In the meantime, Allen is by far the least developed QB of his class, but he owns a winning record and is headed for the playoffs. Only one other QB from his class can say that. Not bad. 

[Scott7975]

Every QB makes a bunch of poor throws every game. The difference is their receivers usually bail them out. I watched Wentz and Dak both make poor throws all game. I watched receivers catch balls over their heads, down at their ankles, and thrown behind them. I watched balls from both thrown nowhere near the receiver. 
 

none of you guys that are criticizing Allen ever analyze that. You think great pass instead. The difference is the receiver caught the damn ball anyways. Sure Allen does have some poor throws but they all do. 
 

allen also doesn’t have screen plays and dink and dunk routes all these guys have that raise their completion %. These guys aren’t throwing from 2nd and 3rd and long for large portions of the game. Dabolls offense sucks. His play calling is even worse. There is a lot more to being a good OC than “but he schemed a guy open”

Edited December 23, 2019 by Scott7975

[JoeF]

There has been some mention of the symbolic importance of a 300 yard game in this thread.  I found the following interesting.  The top 5 QBs in yards passing in the NFL through week 16 (Sans Packers/Vikings) are as follows:

 

Jameis WinstonTB	4,908
2 Dak PrescottDAL	4,599
3 Philip RiversLAC	4,334
4 Jared GoffLAR	4,319
5 Matt RyanATL	4,153                     None are in the playoffs....

[K-9]

7 minutes ago, JoeF said:

There has been some mention of the symbolic importance of a 300 yard game in this thread.  I found the following interesting.  The top 5 QBs in yards passing in the NFL through week 16 (Sans Packers/Vikings) are as follows:

 

Jameis WinstonTB	4,908
2 Dak PrescottDAL	4,599
3 Philip RiversLAC	4,334
4 Jared GoffLAR	4,319
5 Matt RyanATL	4,153                     None are in the playoffs....

Tells me they play from behind a lot. 

[C.Biscuit97]

52 minutes ago, JoeF said:

There has been some mention of the symbolic importance of a 300 yard game in this thread.  I found the following interesting.  The top 5 QBs in yards passing in the NFL through week 16 (Sans Packers/Vikings) are as follows:

 

Jameis WinstonTB	4,908
2 Dak PrescottDAL	4,599
3 Philip RiversLAC	4,334
4 Jared GoffLAR	4,319
5 Matt RyanATL	4,153                     None are in the playoffs....

I don’t get why people work so hard to try to make passing a bad thing.  We won’t be a better team with Matt Ryan?  Last year, 5 of the top 8 in passing yards had winning records.

 

it’s like some of you work so hard to cover for Allen.  I definitely have seen some positive steps this year.  I think he made some big boy throws against the Pats. I also say a guy who had a very slow start that put us in a hole.  He’s moving in a good direction but you don’t post this if he is putting up Mahomes numbers. 

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I don’t get why people work so hard to try to make passing a bad thing.  We won’t be a better team with Matt Ryan?  Last year, 5 of the top 8 in passing yards had winning records.

 

it’s like some of you work so hard to cover for Allen.  I definitely have seen some positive steps this year.  I think he made some big boy throws against the Pats. I also say a guy who had a very slow start that put us in a hole.  He’s moving in a good direction but you don’t post this if he is putting up Mahomes numbers. 

And this year 5 of the top 8 are not.  Passing yards are not a bad thing of course.  What's even better is scoring.  Unfortunately, even though Allen has the TDs this year they just aren't scoring enough either.  They are probably about 5 points per game too light over the course of the season.  If this team could consistently put up 24ish points per game then I don't think we would lose to anyone considering how strong our defense is.

[JoeF]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I don’t get why people work so hard to try to make passing a bad thing.  We won’t be a better team with Matt Ryan?  Last year, 5 of the top 8 in passing yards had winning records.

 

it’s like some of you work so hard to cover for Allen.  I definitely have seen some positive steps this year.  I think he made some big boy throws against the Pats. I also say a guy who had a very slow start that put us in a hole.  He’s moving in a good direction but you don’t post this if he is putting up Mahomes numbers. 

I appreciate and partially agree with your point @C.Biscuit97. 

 

Personally, I am not covering for Josh at all.  This was more meant to show that passing yard numbers are no more important than other QB stats when judging QB performance.  The lack of a 300 yard passing game has been seen as a marker of growth by some posters.  Personally, it means very little to me.  W's are more important and Josh has had a hand in producing a pretty good W-L record.

 

I think Josh is growing into the job in a similar manner that a lot a great QBs -- Manning, Aikman, Big Ben had to grow into it and I see steady improvement.  Josh has been handled gently and pretty conservatively but he has grown. Josh had the weakest competitive background of any of the top 5 prospects in his class. Josh has met my personal expectations for this year 2 of his maturation.  

 

The Bills would run a different offense with Matt Ryan and would likely have a better record...but Matt Ryan wasn't an option.  The Bills needed and only had access to a developmental QB prospect that might develop into a top 10 QB.  Nothing Josh has done these first two years has dissuaded from the belief that he is on this path.  He's not there yet..and there is plenty to criticize but I am taking a patient stance.  Its easier to do so for me because I see the Bills have basically sucked and had no plan for 20 years and I am happy the Bills have a plan and a front office and coaching staff that can execute on that plan. 

[VW82]

Josh is getting a lot of credit here for his TDs, and deservedly so, but our offense isn't scoring enough. There are lots of reasons for that but in this game: Josh ended the first drive with an over throw to a wide open Knox in the end zone; he ended the second drive with a wayward throw - hips wide open, probably his worst of the day - to a crossing Beasley for a missed first down; he ended the third drive throwing behind an open Beasley which caused him to stop his progress and the DB recovered and knocked it away. Right before the big throw to Knox on the fourth drive, Allen over shot Brown on a deep in route that got tipped by the Pats and could have easily been intercepted. 

 

Yes Josh scores TDs but he also makes too many drive killing mistakes that keep us from getting close enough to score in the first place. That's a big reason why this team struggles to score points.   

Edited December 23, 2019 by VW82

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, JoeF said:

I appreciate and partially agree with your point @C.Biscuit97. 

 

Personally, I am not covering for Josh at all.  This was more meant to show that passing yard numbers are no more important than other QB stats when judging QB performance.  The lack of a 300 yard passing game has been seen as a marker of growth by some posters.  Personally, it means very little to me.  W's are more important and Josh has had a hand in producing a pretty good W-L record.

 

I think Josh is growing into the job in a similar manner that a lot a great QBs -- Manning, Aikman, Big Ben had to grow into it and I see steady improvement.  Josh has been handled gently and pretty conservatively but he has grown. Josh had the weakest competitive background of any of the top 5 prospects in his class. Josh has met my personal expectations for this year 2 of his maturation.  

 

The Bills would run a different offense with Matt Ryan and would likely have a better record...but Matt Ryan wasn't an option.  The Bills needed and only had access to a developmental QB prospect that might develop into a top 10 QB.  Nothing Josh has done these first two years has dissuaded from the belief that he is on this path.  He's not there yet..and there is plenty to criticize but I am taking a patient stance.  Its easier to do so for me because I see the Bills have basically sucked and had no plan for 20 years and I am happy the Bills have a plan and a front office and coaching staff that can execute on that plan. 

Good post. And I’m not freaking out about the 300 yard games. I just don’t get why people pretend it’s a bad thing. There is a world where Allen posts monster numbers and we have like 1 loss.  There’s also a world where we let Allen throw the ball like crazy, and he becomes a turnover machine. 
 

I have zero worries about that this year. The formula is working.  I’m not 100% convinced he could carry this team like Wilson does after young guys start getting paid at this point.  But that’s a long away.

[Gugny]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

Good post. And I’m not freaking out about the 300 yard games. I just don’t get why people pretend it’s a bad thing. There is a world where Allen posts monster numbers and we have like 1 loss.  There’s also a world where we let Allen throw the ball like crazy, and he becomes a turnover machine. 
 

I have zero worries about that this year. The formula is working.  I’m not 100% convinced he could carry this team like Wilson does after young guys start getting paid at this point.  But that’s a long away.

 

I don't think anyone is (or has ever) said that passing for a lot of yards is a bad thing.

 

Personally, I think that passing for a lot of yards does not necessarily mean that the offense will score a lot of points/the team will win a lot of games.

 

I think Red Zone trips and Red Zone success are much more meaningful metrics.  Those are more "team" or "offense" stats than "QB" stats, though.

[njbuff]

The numbers Josh Allen has now might very well be his final numbers of the year.

 

The more you read, the more McDermott is going to close the book on Josh Allen's regular season.

[C.Biscuit97]

10 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I don't think anyone is (or has ever) said that passing for a lot of yards is a bad thing.

 

Personally, I think that passing for a lot of yards does not necessarily mean that the offense will score a lot of points/the team will win a lot of games.

 

I think Red Zone trips and Red Zone success are much more meaningful metrics.  Those are more "team" or "offense" stats than "QB" stats, though.

Yeah, I guess the thing is someone like Mahomes nearly carried a terrible defense to the SB. I was positive he was a franchise guy. Same with early Peyton. For as bad as he struggled early, it was basically on him.  
 

 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, I guess the thing is someone like Mahomes nearly carried a terrible defense to the SB. I was positive he was a franchise guy. Same with early Peyton. For as bad as he struggled early, it was basically on him.  
 

 

 

Mahomes had a terrible D but a LOADED offense.  Kind of like Kurt Warner's Rams.

 

I'm confident that Josh's "pretty stats," will become more pretty when he gets a better supporting cast.

 

[K-9]

Is Josh Allen supposed to apologize for not being Peyton Manning, Russell Wilson, or Patrick Mahomes? Really? He was so far behind those guys developmentally coming into the league (light years, essentially), is still far behind today, and yet people still insist on holding him to their standard, regardless. Makes zero sense. 

[CincyBillsFan]

6 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Mahomes, Watson, and Jackson would have made those throws- that’s what “it” factor looks like to me...now, Allen May someday get to that level, but he is not there yet...

 

I'll give you Mahomes but how do you know this for Watson & Jackson? 

 

Earlier in the day on Sunday I watched Watson play a mediocre game that was critical to the Texans playoff chances.  He missed several big throws and ended the day with no TD's and an INT.  Against a Tampa pass defense that one would hardly call elite.

 

As for Jackson, based on watching his game this year I doubt he hits on either of those throws as they were throws from the pocket in which the defense KNEW a pass play was on tap.  Now I will give you that Jackson and the Ravens O scores from the 8 yard line because of the greater number of weapons they could bring to bear at that point.   But I haven't seen a lot of evidence that Jackson hits either of those throws.

 

 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, VW82 said:

Josh is getting a lot of credit here for his TDs, and deservedly so, but our offense isn't scoring enough. There are lots of reasons for that but in this game: Josh ended the first drive with an over throw to a wide open Knox in the end zone; he ended the second drive with a wayward throw - hips wide open, probably his worst of the day - to a crossing Beasley for a missed first down; he ended the third drive throwing behind an open Beasley which caused him to stop his progress and the DB recovered and knocked it away. Right before the big throw to Knox on the fourth drive, Allen over shot Brown on a deep in route that got tipped by the Pats and could have easily been intercepted. 

 

Yes Josh scores TDs but he also makes too many drive killing mistakes that keep us from getting close enough to score in the first place. That's a big reason why this team struggles to score points.   

 

The rest of the offense also makes drive killing mistakes between drops, bad penalties, and swiss cheesing on the oline.  Its not just Josh that is a "big reason why"

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Good post. And I’m not freaking out about the 300 yard games. I just don’t get why people pretend it’s a bad thing. There is a world where Allen posts monster numbers and we have like 1 loss.  There’s also a world where we let Allen throw the ball like crazy, and he becomes a turnover machine. 
 

I have zero worries about that this year. The formula is working.  I’m not 100% convinced he could carry this team like Wilson does after young guys start getting paid at this point.  But that’s a long away.

 

I don't think people really think its a bad thing.  I think this stems more from people being tired of hearing a specific individual that only seems to care about this one arbitrary number.  So much so that he would rather the Bills lose as long as he got to see that 300 yards.

[CincyBillsFan]

5 hours ago, london_bills said:

 

I am concerned with a QB who makes the hard throws and misses the easy ones. This nature is always going to polarise fans. 

 

Yes I know that's a high passer rating but.. 

 

He was 13/26. 50% completion.

We scored 17 points. 

 

Few games ago Bills were 9-0 when Allen was 60% or more. Pats are a good defence but it would have been great for Allen to be closer to 60 percent. 

 

He has improved the picks and the deep passes were awesome. 

 

This misrepresents the situation and suggests that Allen routinely misses the easy throws.  He doesn't.  In fact this year he's been making almost all of the "easy throws".  Yes, he does miss an easy throw once & a while.  But to suggest it's a problem at this point is just not correct.

 

And please I hope you're not calling the two times he missed Knox as "easy throws".  Particularly the 2nd one in the end zone which was the type of play that looks open but can end in an INT if the pass isn't perfectly thrown.  Sure, they were make-able throws but NOT easy throws.

 

As for Allen being 13/26 indicating that he's missing "easy throws" I say BS.  He had to throw at least 3 balls away due to the pass rush; he had to throw a ball at the RB's feet on a screen because the Pats had blown it up;  and he threw a desperation hail Mary pass on the last play of the game.  That means Allen was 13/21 or hitting on 62% in his other passes.  And I didn't include a couple of deep shots and a dropped pass.

 

 

Edited December 23, 2019 by CincyBillsFan

[CincyBillsFan]

And for the record Allen's 29 TD's through 15 games this season puts him behind only Jim Kelly's 34 TD's as the record for most TD's by a Bills player in a single season.  That's not bad at all.  In fact it's pretty spectacular if you ask me and shows excellent PRODUCTION from the QB position.

 

Oh and over that same period Allen only has 13 TO's (INT's & Lost Fumbles).  Allen has already outplayed pretty much everyone who has played QB for the Bills over the last 20 years.  In his 2nd season and as a guy described as a PROJECT.

 

 

[london_bills]

9 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

This misrepresents the situation and suggests that Allen routinely misses the easy throws.  He doesn't.  In fact this year he's been making almost all of the "easy throws".  Yes, he does miss an easy throw once & a while.  But to suggest it's a problem at this point is just not correct.

 

And please I hope you're not calling the two times he missed Knox as "easy throws".  Particularly the 2nd one in the end zone which was the type of play that looks open but can end in an INT if the pass isn't perfectly thrown.  Sure, they were make-able throws but NOT easy throws.

 

As for Allen being 13/26 indicating that he's missing "easy throws" I say BS.  He had to throw at least 3 balls away due to the pass rush; he had to throw a ball at the RB's feet on a screen because the Pats had blown it up;  and he threw a desperation hail Mary pass on the last play of the game.  That means Allen was 13/21 or hitting on 62% in his other passes.  And I didn't include a couple of deep shots and a dropped pass.

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

This misrepresents the situation and suggests that Allen routinely misses the easy throws.  He doesn't.  In fact this year he's been making almost all of the "easy throws".  Yes, he does miss an easy throw once & a while.  But to suggest it's a problem at this point is just not correct.

 

And please I hope you're not calling the two times he missed Knox as "easy throws".  Particularly the 2nd one in the end zone which was the type of play that looks open but can end in an INT if the pass isn't perfectly thrown.  Sure, they were make-able throws but NOT easy throws.

 

As for Allen being 13/26 indicating that he's missing "easy throws" I say BS.  He had to throw at least 3 balls away due to the pass rush; he had to throw a ball at the RB's feet on a screen because the Pats had blown it up;  and he threw a desperation hail Mary pass on the last play of the game.  That means Allen was 13/21 or hitting on 62% in his other passes.  And I didn't include a couple of deep shots and a dropped pass.

 

 

It all depends when we are talking about and whether we are talking about the same moments.

 

I'm talking particularly about when allen 'disappears' in games, looks flustered. 

 

His inconsistency is a problem here, I'm talking particularly about when he has the 'jitters' as he mentioned in his press conference, he does miss easy throws then. It's like everything goes. An example against the Pats was when he started the game, He looked bad! . When beasley was open early and we saw the camera from behind Allen we saw beasley was open and that is an example of an easy missed throw by Allen. He hit's knox with the long pass later and that's a harder throw. 

 

I take your point that at times he hits the shorter throws consistently, like when he started the season against the jets or aguanst the cowboys. 

 

In other posts I've mentioned the missed td to knox, it would have been nice to have given him a chance on that ball although from memory it wasn't easy. There's an argument for at least giving the reciever a chance on that ball. 

 

When the blitz was coming in his face on one play he ran backwards and threw a quick pass to Beasley and beat the rush that way. 

 

Sometimes he looks in control and sometimes he doesn't. 

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3 hours ago, JoeF said:

There has been some mention of the symbolic importance of a 300 yard game in this thread.  I found the following interesting.  The top 5 QBs in yards passing in the NFL through week 16 (Sans Packers/Vikings) are as follows:

 

Jameis WinstonTB	4,908
2 Dak PrescottDAL	4,599
3 Philip RiversLAC	4,334
4 Jared GoffLAR	4,319
5 Matt RyanATL	4,153                     None are in the playoffs....

This is true. I saw the highlights of the dolphins vs bengals game and there were two 400 yd games/4td games by each QB who are probably going to be replaced. 

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I know it’s Cian, but man Allen’s footwork and pocket presence is downright horrific at times. I definitely think he needs to play a half on Sunday:

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, london_bills said:

 

 

 

Sometimes he looks in control and sometimes he doesn't. 

This can be said of EVERY NFL QB. 

 

Yesterday for example the 2019 MVP, Lamar Jackson, disappeared for the first quarter and most of the 2nd quarter.  He had less then 20 yards passing and had hit on only 25% of his passes.  He also lost a fumble.  His team was down 6 - 0 and the Ravens had not even sniffed the red zone.  Then Jackson caught fire late in the 2nd period.  Sound familiar?