Week 3: Bills (-6) v Bengals

[Billsrhody]

If we don’t turn the ball over this should be a pretty comfortable win. If it’s a repeat of the jets game it could be a different story.

 

Take care of the ball! 

[MrSarcasm]

55 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Team Stats	Bengals	Bills
Points Per Game	18.5	22.5
Points Allowed Per Game	31	15
Total Yards	394	393
Yards Passing	364.5	253.5
Yards Rushing	29.5	139.5
Yards Allowed	419	311
Pass Yards Allowed	253.5	212.5
Rush Yards Allowed	165.5	98.5

 

The Bills faced two "Quality" Backs in weeks one and two, ON the road  -- and allowed less than 100 rushing yards average?  (68 & 129) 

 

The numbers just say it ... the Bills should roll over the Bengals. 

Hmm,

I'm glad you are using a big enough sample size.

 

And if I'm counting/starting with last Saturday and Sunday the numbers say I shouldn't go into work again...

 

?

Edited September 19, 2019 by MrSarcasm

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said:

Hmm,

I'm glad you are using a big enough sample size.

 

And if I'm counting/starting with last Saturday and Sunday the numbers say I shouldn't go into work again...

 

?

 

 

LOL that name will go over like a ton of bricks 

 

Good luck staying active 

 

You use a sample size of what is presented to us for 2019.   None of the 3 teams involved are what there were in 2019.

 

You present the facts and work with what you got.  

 

[elroy16]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/optimism-high-2-0-bills-013720307.html

 

Optimism high for 2-0 Bills, who face 0-2 Bengals

 

The Buffalo Bills are seeking their first 3-0 start in eight years when they host the Cincinnati Bengals on Sunday.

 

Buffalo started the campaign with road wins over the New York Jets and New York Giants, and optimism is blooming as the Bills begin a stretch of hosting five of six games in Western New York.

"Well, we understand the energy of the stadium is going to be really high on Sunday," Bills quarterback Josh Allen told reporters. "We have to be able to kind of weather that and understand and play within ourselves. Coach (Sean McDermott) told us it's not where we play, it's how we play. We're going to take that to heart."

 

The Bills will be meeting a desperate team in the Bengals (0-2) ......

 

 

Did anyone read the Lane Kiffin story on ESPN? 
 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/27638015/trash-talk-mattress-fires-flying-projector-lane-kiffin-year-tennessee

 

 

 

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Team meetings at the Birmingham Marriott were winding down the night before Tennessee was set to take on top-ranked and unbeaten Alabama in 2009, and Ed Orgeron wanted everyone's attention.

 

To get the Vols pumped up, the fiery defensive line coach took an overhead projector and hurled it into a wall, where it shattered into pieces. Then it was Lane Kiffin's turn. The brash young head coach had an announcement.

 

"He gets up there and says, 'I've already called back to the University of Tennessee and told them that we're going to stay an extra night after we beat Alabama tomorrow, and we're going to go eat some of those Dreamland ribs and hang out at their bars,'" recounted Marlon Walls, then a freshman defensive lineman.

The whole room went wild, including Kiffin's father, Monte, the Vols' 69-year-old defensive coordinator.

 

"I believe Monte even picked up a chair and threw it," then-senior defensive lineman Wes Brown said. "Whatever we could get our hands on, we were throwing.

"It was total chaos."

 

 

 

McDermott's approach >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kiffin's approach

 

 

You obviously have to have confidence, but the over the top nonsense doesn't work long term. The Kiffin story just made me think of Rex.

 

 

 

Anyway, back to what matters. This doesn't look good for the Bengals.

 

 

 

The stars are lining up for a W, just gotta execute. 

Edited September 19, 2019 by elroy16

[JohninMinn.]

Only way we lose is if McDermott plays conservative and plays not to lose. ie. punting when we are in fg range. Sends the wrong message. We need full throttle.

[Mat68]

The Bengals line is terrible.  Dalton is an average Qb.  They are going to throw alot.  Besides, maybe 1 or 2 deep passes, I think Buffalo get 3 plus turnovers.  By halftime the game will be all but over.  28 or 38 points by half.  1 or 2 defensive Tds.  The offense will move the ball well by will be measured.  

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Team Stats	Bengals	Bills
Points Per Game	18.5	22.5
Points Allowed Per Game	31	15
Total Yards	394	393
Yards Passing	364.5	253.5
Yards Rushing	29.5	139.5
Yards Allowed	419	311
Pass Yards Allowed	253.5	212.5
Rush Yards Allowed	165.5	98.5

 

The Bills faced two "Quality" Backs in weeks one and two, ON the road  -- and allowed less than 100 rushing yards average?  (68 & 129) 

 

The numbers just say it ... the Bills should roll over the Bengals. 

 

I love how we look so far this year but it's not completely fair to say we shut down Bell and Barkley led offenses so we shouldn't have a problem shutting down anyone elses rushing attack..  Maybe we don't have a problem with anyone else's rushing game, and our defense is that legit - they very well could be.. but I don't think we were at all worried about the passing attack of the Jets or Giants.  That allowed us to focus on shutting down the run game.

 

That being said - The Bengals have the best WR's we've faced all year, even minus Green, a QB who can be dangerous, but along with the Jets seem to have one of the worst OL's due to their injuries.

 

The Bengal defense is probably more along the lines of what we saw from the Giants, than the Jets.  If our Offense is what we've seen Weeks 1 & 2, we should have no problem scoring on them.

 

 

Edited September 19, 2019 by SCBills

[thebandit27]

There's an awful lot of hubris in this thread for a team that was 6-10 last year and has wins against two of the worst teams in football.

 

Don't get me wrong: I believe this to be a game that Buffalo should win. I don't, however, see it as a foregone conclusion, cake walk, or even anything more than a game in which they should be favored.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

There's an awful lot of hubris in this thread for a team that was 6-10 last year and has wins against two of the worst teams in football.

 

Don't get me wrong: I believe this to be a game that Buffalo should win. I don't, however, see it as a foregone conclusion, cake walk, or even anything more than a game in which they should be favored.

 

You might have noticed few players are left from last year's team. Also the Jets were favored to win their game so no rewriting history. They also came from behind twice. So yeah, I'm confident.

[Forward Progress]

I am enjoying the improvement of our team, I really am, but this shift from expecting to lose to expecting to win feels very foreign to me.  

 

When I expect a loss, either:

a) We lose as expected, or

b) We win and I'm really happy

 

When I expect a win, either:

a) We win as expected, or

b) We lose and I'm really upset

 

My state of indifference on Sunday afternoons is coming to an end and I am more invested than I've been in a long time.  Just like we used to win games we weren't supposed to win in the past, we will lose games that we aren't supposed to lose - hopefully not this Sunday.

 

Thank you, therapists of TSW, for letting me express my feelings as I come to terms with a shifting reality.

 

 

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

You might have noticed few players are left from last year's team. Also the Jets were favored to win their game so no rewriting history. They also came from behind twice. So yeah, I'm confident.

 

Confidence is fine.

 

The "there's no way we lose" type bravado I'm seeing from some fans is misplaced.

[PromoTheRobot]

4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Confidence is fine.

 

The "there's no way we lose" type bravado I'm seeing from some fans is misplaced.

 

Of course we can lose. Especially if we pull another 4 turnover *****. I just don't think we will.

Edited September 19, 2019 by PromoTheRobot

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Confidence is fine.

 

The "there's no way we lose" type bravado I'm seeing from some fans is misplaced.

 

I won't let the Bills lose.

[thebandit27]

7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Of course we can lose. Especially if we pull another 4 turnover *****. I just don't think we will.

 

Agreed.

 

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I won't let the Bills lose.

 

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[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

??

 

I'm going to stand in front of the team, start talking tough and then say lets get a ******* snack.

[Say When...]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Confidence is fine.

 

The "there's no way we lose" type bravado I'm seeing from some fans is misplaced.

 

and what lends to the "we need to be really cautious about this game" bravado?

 

• we were 6-10 last year so one of the worst teams in the NFL
  • 11+ net new starters (majority from the bad side: Offense, and more returned starters from the good side: Defense) from last year so not even close to the same team
• we were considered one of the worst teams to start this year
• we beat the first team as a unanimous underdog, regardless of how, we beat them
  • message then was "it's early in the season and teams are still figuring things out"
• we took care of business against a second team we were BARELY the favorite
  • message now is "they were a bad team" regardless of the above statement of "it's early, teams are still figuring themselves out"
• the FO is in it's 3rd year and it's obvious it's gaining it's stride, we're seeing things that GOOD organizations do and it feels almost unnatural

 

look - i'm not arguing with you and i really think it's just BBFS but there is so much different this year that it's probably just best to live in the moment, anything that happened before the 2019 season has no relevance.

 

do you think Bills Fans know how to handle success?  a good coach?  FO?  solid QB? offensive and defensive systems that dictate strategy?  it's kinda awkward for me but i'm learning to accept it.

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Confidence is fine.

 

The "there's no way we lose" type bravado I'm seeing from some fans is misplaced.

I think they SHOULD win. I’ll admit, even as an optimist, a bit of BBFS is kicking in here mid week. 

 

Nothing a couple of beers early Sunday morning at the stadium can’t fix though..... I’ll be calling for the blowout by 10:30AM! 

Edited September 19, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, Say When... said:

 

and what lends to the "we need to be really cautious about this game" bravado?

 

• we were 6-10 last year so one of the worst teams in the NFL
  • 11+ net new starters (majority from the bad side: Offense, and more returned starters from the good side: Defense) from last year so not even close to the same team
• we were considered one of the worst teams to start this year
• we beat the first team as a unanimous underdog, regardless of how, we beat them
  • message then was "it's early in the season and teams are still figuring things out"
• we took care of business against a second team we were BARELY the favorite
  • message now is "they were a bad team" regardless of the above statement of "it's early, teams are still figuring themselves out"
• the FO is in it's 3rd year and it's obvious it's gaining it's stride, we're seeing things that GOOD organizations do and it feels almost unnatural

 

look - i'm not arguing with you and i really think it's just BBFS but there is so much different this year that it's probably just best to live in the moment, anything that happened before the 2019 season has no relevance.

 

do you think Bills Fans know how to handle success?  a good coach?  FO?  solid QB? offensive and defensive systems that dictate strategy?  it's kinda awkward for me but i'm learning to accept it.

 

Well, I wouldn't call cautious optimism "bravado".

 

And while I don't think you're referring to me with the above generalizations, I do think that there's truth to the idea that we don't know the "quality" of a victory early on in the season. Just look back on 2017, when wins against the Broncos, Falcons, and Raiders looked really impressive early, and turned out to be wins against relatively weak teams once the balance of the season unfolded.

 

For me, the current feeling really comes down to this: it's week 3, so we know basically nothing about anything outside of NE/KC/LAR good, Miami bad, NYG/NYJ/Pit in trouble. Everything else is pending.

Just now, Stank_Nasty said:

I think they SHOULD win. I’ll admit, even as an optimist, a bit of BBFS is kicking in here mid week. 

 

Nothing a of beers early Sunday morning at the stadium can’t fix though..... I’ll be calling for the blowout by 10:30AM! 

 

No BBFS here; just a total refusal to draw any conclusions (or even inferences) about 90% of the league based upon weeks 1 and 2.

[stosh64]

nfl.com has Allen listed as "Start 'Em.

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Josh Allen vs. Cincinnati Bengals

Listed a start 'em last week, Allen produced over 22 fantasy points in a win over the Giants. He has another solid matchup next on the slate, as the Bills host a Bengals defense that has allowed five touchdown passes and an average of almost 20 fantasy points per game to opposing field generals. Allen is a free agent in a kot of leagues, too.

It also has Dalton listed as Sit 'Em.

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Andy Dalton vs. Buffalo Bills

Dalton has had a nice (and overlooked) start to the season under new coach Zac Taylor, as he's second in passing yards and averaging almost 20 fantasy points per game. However, I'd still fade him in a brutal road matchup against the Bills. Their ferocious pass defense has allowed just 11.6 points a game to quarterbacks in 2019.

nfl.com

People are starting to notice the Bills, funny how winning does that.

I like Andy as a person, I almost feel bad for him this week...Almost.

#GoBills

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

I love how we look so far this year but it's not completely fair to say we shut down Bell and Barkley led offenses so we shouldn't have a problem shutting down anyone elses rushing attack..  Maybe we don't have a problem with anyone else's rushing game, and our defense is that legit - they very well could be.. but I don't think we were at all worried about the passing attack of the Jets or Giants.  That allowed us to focus on shutting down the run game.

 

That being said - The Bengals have the best WR's we've faced all year, even minus Green, a QB who can be dangerous, but along with the Jets seem to have one of the worst OL's due to their injuries.

 

The Bengal defense is probably more along the lines of what we saw from the Giants, than the Jets.  If our Offense is what we've seen Weeks 1 & 2, we should have no problem scoring on them.

 

 

 

I get what you are saying but the numbers are what they are.    and the indication is if the trend continues the Bengals will allow more rushing yards and points. 

 

 

[SCBills]

39 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

There's an awful lot of hubris in this thread for a team that was 6-10 last year and has wins against two of the worst teams in football.

 

Don't get me wrong: I believe this to be a game that Buffalo should win. I don't, however, see it as a foregone conclusion, cake walk, or even anything more than a game in which they should be favored.

 

I'm certainly not of the mindset that this game is a cakewalk.  None are in the NFL, well except for maybe the 2019 Dolphins. 

 

I don't really care about the 6-10 mark from last year though.. 

 

-Rookie QB who only played half the season, and while raw, got better and better.  He's clearly looking the part this year. 

 

-Seven active OL on Gamedays..  Only 1 of these guys were here last year. 

 

-Entirely new running back unit. 

 

-Our #1, #2 and #3 WR's are now #3, #4 and #5 Wr's. 

 

-Brand new Tight Ends. 

 

-The Defense was Top 10 and was only enhanced with the depth additions in the secondary and the swapping of Kyle with Oliver.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

43 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

There's an awful lot of hubris in this thread for a team that was 6-10 last year and has wins against two of the worst teams in football.

 

Don't get me wrong: I believe this to be a game that Buffalo should win. I don't, however, see it as a foregone conclusion, cake walk, or even anything more than a game in which they should be favored.

 

The Bengals were also 6-10 last year.

 

No game is ever "easy".   (unless you have the refs in your pocket) 

[YoloinOhio]

Perfect for Dalton’s September arm

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

48 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I won't let the Bills lose.

Cakewalk

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

This is shaping up to be a last minute decision most likely......

[YoloinOhio]

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

With Gore and Singeltary both out today Yeldon must be getting some serious reps.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

9 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

This is shaping up to be a last minute decision most likely......

Just bench him. Singletary needs to be healthy for the rest of the year. Gore and Yeldon can hold down the fort for one game. If Singletary is really day to day, make sure that he doesn't take a shot too early which takes him out for a month or longer.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

 

[LSHMEAB]

13 hours ago, BubbaT said:

I'm thrilled they won 2 road games as well. It's a great start and I totally agree with your points. That said, the Bills were outscored 78-23 in their first two games last year. They went to Minnesota, a playoff team in 2017 who was 1-0-1 coming in and  totally outplayed them. It's the NFL. They are one lack of focus and effort or bad luck from a bad loss. 2-1 with New England coming in and a tough road game in Tennessee does not look nearly as good as 3-0 and could change in a major way the perceptions we have of the 2-0 start.

And I take these points as well. I'm certainly not convinced they're destined for greatness and I understand that you can extrapolate some things that would lead to questions about the significance. I definitely entered the season as a "skeptic" and I would have to say I remain somewhat skeptical. My main point is that I don't get TOO caught up in who they beat, etc. even if I agree with much of what you say. AT THIS POINT, they've gotten the job done. The Jets game certainly wasn't pretty, but they WON. How many times in our recent history have the Bills found a way to "make it a game" late in the 4th and ended up on the losing side of the equation? I suppose I view two road wins, against any NFL opponent,(maybe not Miami) as a great way to start the season. I've also seen some things, mainly in the Giants game, that I didn't see from Allen last season, even down the stretch when his play was improved. Looks much more decisive, finding his intermediate target, scanning the field, etc. What you need to see from a 2nd year QB is progress. So far, I've seen progress. Not exactly setting the league by storm, but progress. I'm personally more encouraged than I have been at any point about his prospects to emerge as a franchise QB.

 

All of it could of course fall apart and the season could end poorly for both the Bills and for Allen. But right now, I like a number of things I've seen and I feel like alot of the stuff I've completely dismissed as nonsense, ie "process" could very well have some merit. Time will tell as they say.

Edited September 19, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[buffaloboyinATL]

17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I am assuming this will not be a long term thing since we haven’t added or called up a running back. Hopefully he plays this week if needed. 

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I am assuming this will not be a long term thing since we haven’t added or called up a running back. Hopefully he plays this week if needed. 

 

I say save him for the Super Bowl.

[ExWNYer]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I say save him for the Super Bowl.

 

Is New England* inviting him to the game?

 

(Ducks behind couch to avoid Royale with Cheese's thrown shoe)

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

 

No BBFS here; just a total refusal to draw any conclusions (or even inferences) about 90% of the league based upon weeks 1 and 2.

right. you're not saying anything that I don't think anyone with a level head doesn't already know. people are saying the bills SHOULD handle the bengals. I agree. but all the factors you have mentioned play a part in my hesitance along with the fact that the bills routinely let us down in this sort of scenario, which I light heartedly referred to as BBFS..… i'll save some of those beers for you. maybe it'll lighten ya up a bit. ?

Edited September 19, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Is New England* inviting him to the game?

 

(Ducks behind couch to avoid Royale with Cheese's thrown shoe)

 

Don’t worry since I’m not wearing shoes....I’m wearing flip flops with my jeans.

 

Totally acceptable.

@Jay_Fixit

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Confidence is fine.

 

The "there's no way we lose" type bravado I'm seeing from some fans is misplaced.

It’s their bravado. Who tf are you to say different? Bills fans are excited. The team hasn’t lost a game going back to December. Alit  your high horse. You’re far from the scholarly School Marm you fancy yourself. What if it turns out it isn’t misplaced? Will you come back to give a mea culpa?

Rhetorical question. I know you won’t.