AB asks Raiders to release him on Instagram (update: Raiders oblige and release him)

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Seriously why is this narrative so important to you? Is it possible sure but I'd say it's equally possible AB is full of *****. I mean the only person who reported him coming here was ridiculed for it. AB is exactly the kind of person when seeing the interaction with the Bills being reported would go out of his way to frame the narrative in his favor especially if he felt disrespected.

Because they preached all this culture BS and them even thinking about him just shows why it is BS.  

 

I hope you are all right about McBeane.  But I don’t remember a regime in recent Bills history that gets as much of a pass as them.  They have made some really bad moves (as well as good ones) and AB very easily could be here.  

 

But whatever.  Just fun to kill time with this soap opera.  Game time and I still wish we had a non crazy number 1 receiver. 

[K-9]

8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

....didn't RapSheet say there was "no imminent deal"?.......I'd bet McBeane "inquired" period........would NEVER see McDermott going along with the signing.....imagine if McBeane grabbed him and this current saga was at OBD?......at least 36,764 "...fire McBeane....fire McDermott now" threads crash the site......

I’d wager every team in need of WR help inquired. 

[teef]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I honestly think you’re holding onto this narrative because you like going after the Bills and for some reason Bills fans recently.

It bends him out of shape greatly when anyone calls beane a god. This is his way going after those people. Maybe he doesn’t realize calling beane a god is tongue and cheek?

 

and I’m fine with the bills looking into brown. They should look into anyone that can potentially help this team. 

[Beane/Allen]

1 minute ago, RocCityRoller said:

And some would contend AB losing 30 million and not playing because of his foolish behavior would be the loser.

It's not an either or point, please don't tell me the fans or league don't lose though. 

 

I couldn't care less about Monday night if he's not playing. 

 

Yes, he started it. 

 

But yes, we all lose. 

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I think you’re 100% wrong and it’s the exact opposite of what you said.  But we’ll agree to disagree Doc (Beane got wind of AB being upset and didn’t offer a contract).  I never wanted the guy and hated that they preached culture and character and pursued this moron in the first place.  Seems insane.  But enjoy your Saturday and hopefully, we are talking about A Bills W tomorrow. 

  I think that in the case of the Bills as well as most other NFL locker rooms you hope that your roster is strong enough at its core to carry a couple of diva's.  It's a business and a sport that is driven by ego or far fewer would be playing the game.  The players by and large don't have the meek personality of a cart chaser at Walmart.

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

Ok but if they don’t fine him he’s playing for them Monday and probably the next two years. 

 

 

If he didn’t act like an idiot, he wouldn’t be fined. You just don’t get this do you?

Edited September 7, 2019 by teef

[/dev/null]

I don't know what the Raiders cap situation is like, but I'd venture a guess they factored in Brown's contract.

 

Releasing Brown nets the Raiders nothing but give Brown what he wants

Keeping Brown nets the Raiders nothing, but Brown does not get what he wants.  Plus Brown gets a year older, and at this point time is not on Antonio's side

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Just now, K-9 said:

I’d wager every team in need of WR help inquired. 

 

...and I'd bet they need LESS help than this wingnut needs.............

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I honestly think you’re holding onto this narrative because you like going after the Bills and for some reason Bills fans recently.

I just like consistency and I hate double standards. Like laughing at the Raiders when we wanted the same player.  

 

And i love Bills but we’re completely delusional.  It’s what makes us awesome.  As much as I try to be a realist, I will have some beers tomorrow and talk myself into a super bowl run this year. 

[K-9]

6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Because it’s pretty obvious to non Bills fans.  They pursued him. If AB was acting super excited about being a Bill, the deal would have been worked out.  

 

But agree to disagree.  The Bills were dumb they second they even thought about bringing this disaster in.  

In your eyes the Bills are dumb no matter what. So what difference does it make?

[x-BillzeBubba]

didn't the Pats offer more than Oakland? I recall the steelers nixed that trade

[ddaryl]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

For reference. One of my favorite episodes

 

 

[4BillsintheBurgh]

9 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

Ok but if they don’t fine him he’s playing for them Monday and probably the next two years. 

 

 

I think they would have let the feet thing slide..When you double down with the helmet (which was a known issue prior to him missing practice for it) the gloves are off. Why couldn't he have addressed the helmet earlier in the offseason?

Edited September 7, 2019 by 4BillsintheBurgh

[Rc2catch]

33 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

Does AB even sign for that though? Or would he prefer to just sit at home. 

Good question. Depends on his finances. If the guy wants the big money he needs to play. If he has enough saved he can retire and enjoy life 

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  I think that in the case of the Bills as well as most other NFL locker rooms you hope that your roster is strong enough at its core to carry a couple of diva's.  It's a business and a sport that is driven by ego or far fewer would be playing the game.  The players by and large don't have the meek personality of a cart chaser at Walmart.

That’s fair but AB is another level.  When the talk of getting him was being discussed, I thought if he couldn’t be happy in Pittsburgh, why would he be happy in Buffalo?

 

i will say there are a lot of people who owe Mike Tomlin and the Steelers an apology.  It’s amazing he was able to keep this maniac in line this long. 

Edited September 7, 2019 by C.Biscuit97

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

If he didn’t act like an idiot, he wouldn’t be fined. You just don’t get this do you?

 

I understand that. Can’t both be true?

1 minute ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

I think they would have let the feet thing slide..When you double down with the helmet (which was a known issue prior to him missing practice for it) the gloves are off. Why couldn't he addressed the helmet earlier in the offseason?

 

Agreed. They could also fine him without voiding the 30million 

[/dev/null]

Just now, Rc2catch said:

Good question. Depends on his finances. If the guy wants the big money he needs to play. If he has enough saved he can retire and enjoy life 

 

Brown doesn't strike me as the type of guy who plans for retirement.  Or a rainy day.  Or next week

[teef]

Just now, Chemical said:

 

I understand that. Can’t both be true?

I unfortunately don’t think you understand it at all. Don’t get me wrong...the raiders actions have been strange too, but this is a brown driven problem. The guy is an #######, and it’s actually getting in the way of his career. 

[Beane/Allen]

6 minutes ago, teef said:

If he didn’t act like an idiot, he wouldn’t be fined. You just don’t get this do you?

I get it. 

 

We all lose though 

[teef]

Just now, Beane/Allen said:

I get it. 

 

We all lose though 

Chemical?

[Neo]

What a pandering weenie Gruden is.  AB’s problem is not that he’s misunderstood.  AB’s problem is that he is understood.

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, teef said:

I unfortunately don’t think you understand it at all. Don’t get me wrong...the raiders actions have been strange too, but this is a brown driven problem. The guy is an #######, and it’s actually getting in the way of his career. 

Ryan Clark said this years ago and got trashed for it.  He said money made him a monster.  He was a 6th round pick who made himself into a star.  I genuinely like the guy.  But fame can be awful for some people.  

 

He reminds of another guy who consistently says stupid stuff.  Why don’t someone stoping him?

[Beane/Allen]

Just now, teef said:

Chemical?

Huh? 

[K-9]

13 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Just want clarification on something with the timeline here. 

 

Brown missed practice due to feet injury (as part of personal offseason conditioning), then missed practice due to helmet grievance, 

 

then did he miss another practice and that’s why he was fined?

 

also, was the 30mil voided after the first fine? Because that seems excessive to me. If you think otherwise that’s ok. 

 

But his fight with mayock seems almost reasonable if that’s the case. 

 

Let those who have been fined 30mil dollars cast the first stone. He shouldn’t have done it but I can understand his mindset after learning he just cost himself 30 million. 

 

Thats IF the above timeline is correct. 

He was fined for missing practice for the feet and helmet issues. Some $40k or there about. That’s a separate issue. That is not what lost him his guarantee. 

 

What lost him his his guarantee was being fined for “conduct detrimental to the team” when he accosted and threatened Mayock at practice. 

[vincec]

1 hour ago, Bobby Hooks said:

I remember one article grading everyone’s free agency and we got a D or an F because we couldn’t secure Brown. 

 

Id love to see if that person feels the same now? 

I'm sure he'd double down. No one ever admits their wrong anymore. He'll just spin it and even make up stuff if required to justify his position.

 

Edited September 7, 2019 by vincec

[GunnerBill]

Is it time yet to say the Bills might have "dodged a bullet"? 

 

I love AB as a player but man he has some issues. I don't remember him always being this crazy. The last 12 months he has been acting extremely strange. 

[teef]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Ryan Clark said this years ago and got trashed for it.  He said money made him a monster.  He was a 6th round pick who made himself into a star.  I genuinely like the guy.  But fame can be awful for some people.  

 

He reminds of another guy who consistently says stupid stuff.  Why don’t someone stoping him?

Are you trying to bring politics into this?

[Iverwig]

2 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

Who in their right mind would sign him?

New England and Seattle both have the staffs and supporting cast to handle him. Either way some team will take the chance. His agent has got to shaking his head wondering what he got himself into. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

6 minutes ago, teef said:

I unfortunately don’t think you understand it at all. Don’t get me wrong...the raiders actions have been strange too, but this is a brown driven problem. The guy is an #######, and it’s actually getting in the way of his career. 

 

When did I say he wasn’t? Why do you keep saying I don’t understand?

 

I don’t think you understand. How’s that feel?  How about just make an argument and have a back and forth without getting meta about who is comprehending what. 

 

If you know Brown is a loose cannon and you fine him 30 million dollars what do you think will happen? 

 

Saying that takes no blame off Brown, just pointing out the Raiders could have handled it differently knowing who they traded for and are dealing with. 

 

Edit: I’m being told the 30million wasn’t voided until the second or 3rd fine after the mayock incident which is reasonable. 

Edited September 7, 2019 by Chemical

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, Beane/Allen said:

I get it. 

 

We all lose though 

 

We do?

 

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Ryan Clark said this years ago and got trashed for it.  He said money made him a monster.  He was a 6th round pick who made himself into a star.  I genuinely like the guy.  But fame can be awful for some people. 

 

Looks like you're finally coming around.  It's all about the money for AB.  If the Bills paid him what he wanted, he'd gladly have been a Bill.  The Raiders are no one's preferred destination.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

5 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

I understand that. Can’t both be true?

 

Agreed. They could also fine him without voiding the 30million 

Sure, but chose not to. I'm a big believer of actions, not words when it comes to a front office. Assuming gruden, mayock and davis were on board, that tells you something about how they feel more than you'll get out of any press conference

[ndirish1978]

1 hour ago, eanyills said:

 

There was a lot more drama in Pittsburgh than just “beef with Big Ben.” It was a gradually escalating series of events that led to Brown leaving Pittsburgh. Those types of events have continued to escalate in Oakland. Brown was never like this until a couple years ago. His continued escalation of irrational behavior suggests some sort of mental breakdown or social-emotional disorder. Of course, a guy with that type of ego would never consider the possibility until it’s way too late, like when his NFL career is over in his prime later this week.

 

Ryan Clark begs to differ, says AB has always been an egomaniac and things just became evident to those outside the locker room when he got money and fame. Steelers covered up a LOT of AB stuff. 

 

1 hour ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

 

Sometimes people feel entitled, and it’s right.

 

Why should Big Ben get to take days off or meetings off, or half speed practice, and he has to continue to work harder than everyone else with no wiggle room?

 

I guess I see a guy who has proven his dominance and wants a little slack. And the powers that be won’t give it to him. He doesn’t need the NFL anymore, and the NFL certainly doesn’t need him. Which is a shame because he’s an incredible player. 

 

Watch him sit out this year and go to the XFL with Kaepernick and light it up. 

 

Sometimes people earn a block, sometimes people just can't form a rational thought and you block them out of kindness so you don't have to read nonsense.

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Chemical said:

 

When did I say he wasn’t? Why do you keep saying I don’t understand?

 

I don’t think you understand. How’s that feel?  How about just make an argument and have a back and forth without getting meta about who is comprehending what. 

 

If you know Brown is a loose cannon and you fine him 30 million dollars what do you think will happen? 

 

Saying that takes no blame off Brown, just pointing out the Raiders could have handled it differently knowing who they traded for and are dealing with. 

 

Edit: I’m being told the 30million wasn’t voided until the second or 3rd fine after the mayock incident which is reasonable. 

Fine him 30 million?

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

He's not going to play for the Raiders.

 

That's too bad because I keep hearing he's the best WR in the game. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Just now, teef said:

Fine him 30 million?

 

Just edited my post, but yeah if a fine comes with voiding 30 million in guarantees how is that not a 30million dollar fine?

[teef]

Just now, Chemical said:

 

Just edited my post, but yeah if a fine comes with voiding 30 million in guarantees how is that not a 30million dollar fine?

I’m going to say this again, mostly because it’s true...you don’t understand. 

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

We do?

 

 

Looks like you're finally coming around.  It's all about the money for AB.  If the Bills paid him what he wanted, he'd gladly have been a Bill.  The Raiders are no one's preferred destination.

No he won’t haha.  That’s the whole point.  He thought Buffalo was a punishment.  This is where you’re wrong.  He didn’t want to be here so we couldn’t offer him a contract.

 

damn doc!  I was out but your wrongness brought me back!

[RaoulDuke79]

I'm already sick of hearing about this clown and the season barely started.

[DRA3196]

40 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

Does AB even sign for that though? Or would he prefer to just sit at home. 

He feels he has nothing to prove. he also believes he is the victim. When I listened to his youtube video I didn't get the impression that he wanted to play football. His rambling about him being real and more than just a football player, leads me to think that he isn't interested in a 1 yr  veteran league minimum contract the a.k.a. "prove it deal". Poor Antonio, I guess he will just have to live with his $70m in career earnings, and focus on whatever brand he has left.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Just now, teef said:

I’m going to say this again, mostly because it’s true...you don’t understand. 

 

Haha what’s wrong with you?

 

you don’t understand that we actually agree. Read my edit on the last post.