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I'd be surprised if they rated him higher than Foster. I also think Duke is a lock because we simply don't have a WR of that profile.

 

Yeah, Zay has his arse hanging out for mine. Not saying he should be cut but at the end of the day it's a numbers game.

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If Jones wasn't a 2nd round pick we wouldnt be having this conversation. The conclusion of  preseason will be interesting.

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3 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

 

My point was You stated "Evaluate who guys are now" So I am and Williams is a guy who couldn't even get signed by an NFL team the past two seasons, which does translate to who he still may be.  And if you want to take it to the nth degree of who they are at this moment in time Williams is a guy who has caught two TD passes in the past two weeks likely against many other both teammates and opponents who won't even be on an NFL roster a week from now but sounds like your argument is none of that matters, sign everyone based on what they've done the past three weeks

 

And as to your why not question the answer is none of them could do it last season, but Zay could.  The others all had a chance to, but failed.

 

And if you want to use this argument that nothing in the past matters only what has happened over the past two weeks, then guess John Brown doesn't even make the roster as he only has 3 catches this year and definitely not Foster as he only has one catch and the leading TE is Keith Towbridge so guess he's on the team too then if all you want to go by is what they did now.  And BTW Zay's total yardage and yards per catch is better than Duke's too.

 

PS Look at what N Peterman has done this pre season.  He's lighting it up, guess you'd be happy trading him for Allan because that's all that matters to you.

 

Could it all change and Williams becomes the next Jerry Rice, sure but not likely based on past performance.

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14 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

No one will even trade a practice squad guy for him if this gets out.

 

29, I swear I had to sit down and think about this to have it be sufficiently unpleasant.

 

Ranch?  That’s the second choice for most.

 

Ceasar...yeah, it could work.

 

parmesan peppercorn...hell, I might try it.

 

Russian?  No...just no.

 

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3 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

29, I swear I had to sit down and think about this to have it be sufficiently unpleasant.

 

Ranch?  That’s the second choice for most.

 

Ceasar...yeah, it could work.

 

parmesan peppercorn...hell, I might try it.

 

Russian?  No...just no.

 

Hollandiase sauce might be worth considering as offensive and vile as well

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14 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

No one will even trade a practice squad guy for him if this gets out.

 

 

  Holy mackerel, 29, where are you that you are up this early? 😂

 

im up because of my bad back and cats!

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I would want to give Zay one more year  652 yards in 2018 , but the missed targets are a concern , but with Allen as a rookie.

 

Zay Jones said he is "bigger and stronger" entering his third season.


"I have been focusing on how I can maximize my frame and my body to be the best I can this year," Jones said. "I think it’ll help in many aspects. My blocking, my play strength, endurance, stamina, prevention of injury." 

 

https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/942/zay-jones
 

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1 minute ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

  Holy mackerel, 29, where are you that you are up this early? 😂

 

im up because of my bad back and cats!

 

Sleep is for losers 

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1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Sleep is for losers 

 

 

😂

 

A long time board member who just became one of my favorite posters.

 

...not the Farrah Fawcett kind.

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23 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

I'd try and trade Zay for a backup tackle or picks.  If as some suggest Zay has little trade value, (personally I disagree) then would keep him and consider releasing Foster to make room for McKenzie and Williams

 

Zay was one the same page as JA something like 54 times last year.

 

I also think many here are over valuing these WR at the bottom of the depth chart.  They all bring unique attributes to the team, but are also similar in overall abilities.  Are they really better than one of the top 5 or is it just "We can't lose this guy"

 

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And he was targeted 102 times:. which is a very poor 54.9 %, and 2.6 YAC which again puts him at the bottom of the league.

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Not a good sign for Zay that he's being mentioned with Ray Ray and Duke for a "competition."

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2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Not a good sign for Zay that he's being mentioned with Ray Ray and Duke for a "competition."

 

And mentioned last too :nana:

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On 8/24/2019 at 11:53 AM, wppete said:

Zay Jones has not looked good as a Buffalo Bill. He hasn’t been impressive this offseason and we will have some tough decisions to make at WR this year. Do you guys think it’s a good idea to trade Zay and make room for the guys that are showing well in preseason?  This could be our WR this year If we trade Zay.

 

John Brown

Cole Beasley

Robert Foster

Duke Williams

Isaiah Mckenzie

Andre Roberts

 

 

If he hasn't looked good why would anyone trade for him?

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3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

And mentioned last too :nana:

No other WRs really had an impact either in the whole first half. Zay was out there with the first team all preseason

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4 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

No other WRs really had an impact either in the whole first half. Zay was out there with the first team all preseason

 

We only threw 6 times...but Zay blew an easy first down catch in the first quarter of that game that killed a drive.  

 

Zay was with the first team offense all preseason...and dropped a TD pass, blew a first down catch, and didn't do anything in game 2 where other WRs did show up.  He had a nice grab in the 2nd half this weekend against reserves, but he didn't do himself any good with the 1's.  

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22 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

We only threw 6 times...but Zay blew an easy first down catch in the first quarter of that game that killed a drive.  

 

Zay was with the first team offense all preseason...and dropped a TD pass, blew a first down catch, and didn't do anything in game 2 where other WRs did show up.  He had a nice grab in the 2nd half this weekend against reserves, but he didn't do himself any good with the 1's.  

He also led the team in Rec yards and TD last year.  He's capable of playing any wr position . Meanwhile Duke Williams has only went against reserves. 

I like what I've seen from Duke but Zay is a lock to make roster , see significant playing time. Unless he's packaged for Clowney. Zay is more valuable than we think.  He just needs to be more consistent. Hopefully he keeps progressing

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On 8/24/2019 at 4:41 PM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah, but moving on from Watkins happened for two reasons, neither of which is true now with Zay.

 

They were in major salary cap trouble and figured - correctly - that re-signing Watkins was going to cost huge money. Zay won't cost all that much unless he has a tremendous year this year. And the team isn't in the salary cap weeds anymore anyway.

 

And Watkins brought in a 2nd round pick, which Zay wouldn't. And at the time we were desperate for trade capital to draft a franchise QB. At this point we've got Allen.

 

The main reasons we traded Watkins aren't there anymore if we trade Zay.

 

Not that we won't, but trading Watkins had two huge upsides that aren't there with trading Zay.

They were never in major salary cap trouble. Stop with the ridiculous narrative. 

 

They couldve had Watkins under control until the 2019 season with plenty of cap room to spare. 

 

 

On 8/24/2019 at 11:53 AM, wppete said:

Zay Jones has not looked good as a Buffalo Bill. He hasn’t been impressive this offseason and we will have some tough decisions to make at WR this year. Do you guys think it’s a good idea to trade Zay and make room for the guys that are showing well in preseason?  This could be our WR this year If we trade Zay.

 

John Brown

Cole Beasley

Robert Foster

Duke Williams

Isaiah Mckenzie

Andre Roberts

 

 

With or without Zay it's an extremely underwhelming group of recievers.

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On 8/24/2019 at 11:58 AM, SCBills said:

If they think Duke Williams play translates to Regular Season Football, yes - or just cut him. 

 

It just seems like Zay is never on the same page with JA and maybe he just needs a fresh start.   

 

If Roberts is a lock.. Foster backs up Brown as the speed guy.  McKenzie backs up Beasley as the shifty guy and then Duke is the big, physical WR.  

 

 

Duke is the one guy right now that can win the 50/50 balls. He has some strong hands and looks pretty good. I hope he can do it in regular season- I just dont see him getting cut or Zay either.

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Let's trade Zay for a WR that more than doubled his production in his 2nd season, then added a few pounds to up his game. Oh wait. Never mind.

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On 8/24/2019 at 4:41 PM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah, but moving on from Watkins happened for two reasons, neither of which is true now with Zay.

 

They were in major salary cap trouble and figured - correctly - that re-signing Watkins was going to cost huge money. Zay won't cost all that much unless he has a tremendous year this year. And the team isn't in the salary cap weeds anymore anyway.

 

And Watkins brought in a 2nd round pick, which Zay wouldn't. And at the time we were desperate for trade capital to draft a franchise QB. At this point we've got Allen.

 

The main reasons we traded Watkins aren't there anymore if we trade Zay.

 

Not that we won't, but trading Watkins had two huge upsides that aren't there with trading Zay.

    Yes, but the upside I’m looking at is Duke and McKenzie making the team.

    Our receivers aren’t going to be great. We do need them to be sure handed and on the same page with the QB. ZJ got us 600+ yards last year which isn’t nothing but I’m folding not holding on him. 

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On 8/24/2019 at 10:56 AM, CaptnCoke11 said:

I doubt they’d get any compensation for him.  Other teams are also aware he’s not very good 

Shhhh🤫 don’t tell nobody 

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On 8/24/2019 at 3:53 PM, buffalo2218 said:

Well, as I stated before, I won't lose any sleep if they move Jones. I wouldn't mind if they kept Williams but he hasn't had much time with the 1s. One thing's for sure tho, him and Barkley have a pretty good chemistry. So if Allen goes down, it's quite possible the passing game gets better with the Barkley Williams duo

 

I think Duke would do just fine provided Wonder Boy can deliver accurate passes to him as Barkley has done.

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On 8/24/2019 at 12:28 PM, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

He was tied for 16th in the league with 7 Tds, even with our pathetic line, running game, QBing and nothing even close to a #1 WR to draw coverage away from him.

 

So how is that analytical approach using stats doing now?

 

Like a famous sports broadcaster says, BELIEVE WHAT YOUR EYES TELL YOU. You can't drop the ball and be unreliable and expect to be on a winning football team for long.

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