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8 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I mean, you showing a handful of uncatchable balls does not make them drops. This is why narratives are so problematic. Sure, he sucked his rookie year. But, the stigma attached, so now when you see a ball go his way you have a mind association that you automatically think drop. It’s sort of like how dogs or small children are taught. It’s common in less advanced thought processes. You’re not able to disconnect and look at the play objectively. You just go for your gut reaction. 

 

Sounds like someone needs to watch the video again..."uncatchable balls" LOL  

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3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Sounds like someone needs to watch the video again..."uncatchable balls" LOL  

What do you think, wanna post the link. We can time each of the drops, look at it more closely?

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Hard to believe the scouting report on Zay was that he had elite hands, but now he's known for his drops.  Maybe he doesn't like the physicality of the NFL where you're going to get hit making catches he made without much contact in college. 

 

Zay would be an easy cut if the Bills had some depth at WR beyond Brown and Beasley.  

 

The trend for Buffalo is making poor offensive personnel decisions as they've drafted only 1 offensive skill position in the 2017 and 2018 drafts (Allen).  

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3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

What do you think, wanna post the link. We can time each of the drops, look at it more closely?

 

Already been done in other threads...I did that work, and posted it already.  Not gonna do it again...not trying to be a jerk about that, just I am about to leave for my fantasy draft.  If you want to your notes, sure go ahead and happy to read later.  Mine can be found on this board in the other thread.

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24 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

He won't get cut over cap savings...if he is cut/traded its because they feel someone else deserves the shot more than him.  People keep bringing up his low pay while overlooking that guys competing for his spot are just as cheap.  His contract has 0% relevancy right now on whether he makes this roster.  The guy who suit up week 1 with notable contracts are literal locks for this roster, Brown and Cole.  Everyone else is cheap too...so Zay will only be on this team if the staff deems they WANT to keep him over one of the other guys.  

 

 

LMAO...its on film dude.  I laugh so hard at this unwavering insistent the FILM never happened when you can watch it right now.  No offense, but you denying in game footage of him dropping passes is about the most absurd thing I have ever seen on this board.  Its 100% indisputable...like literally 100%.  Keep trying though, respect to the commitment of utter blindness.  

We'll see, but you're running out of time for that trade to happen.

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3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Already been done in other threads...I did that work, and posted it already.  Not gonna do it again...not trying to be a jerk about that, just I am about to leave for my fantasy draft.  If you want to your notes, sure go ahead and happy to read later.  Mine can be found on this board in the other thread.

Good luck, man. Good thing for you drops don’t hurt your fantasy stock, otherwise you’d be lost. 

 

...I couldn’t help myself. 

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1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Good luck, man. Good thing for you drops don’t hurt your fantasy stock, otherwise you’d be lost. 

 

...I couldn’t help myself. 

 

The only fantasy I see around here is your fantasy that Zay didnt drop passes :nana:

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11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

He won't get cut over cap savings...if he is cut/traded its because they feel someone else deserves the shot more than him.  People keep bringing up his low pay while overlooking that guys competing for his spot are just as cheap.  His contract has 0% relevancy right now on whether he makes this roster.  The guy who suit up week 1 with notable contracts are literal locks for this roster, Brown and Cole.  Everyone else is cheap too...so Zay will only be on this team if the staff deems they WANT to keep him over one of the other guys.  

 

 

LMAO...its on film dude.  I laugh so hard at this unwavering insistent the FILM never happened when you can watch it right now.  No offense, but you denying in game footage of him dropping passes is about the most absurd thing I have ever seen on this board.  Its 100% indisputable...like literally 100%.  Keep trying though, respect to the commitment of utter blindness.  

That is a good point about contracts of the other WRs on the roster below Brown and Cole.   I had not fully considered that. 

 

Zay's analytics (catch rate, etc) all had significant imrovements from 2017 to 2018, which brought him from poor to average among NFL WRs in 2018.  The Bills know that they currently at least have a competent NFL receiver with a chance to improve to above average starter in his 3rd year.   If they move on from him, it has to be with the idea that another WR they might otherwise cut (Duke, Foster, McKenzie) will at least be able to match the average production with higher upside.   

 

 

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1 minute ago, Reks Ryan said:

That is a good point about contracts of the other WRs on the roster below Brown and Cole.   I had not fully considered that. 

 

Zay's analytics (catch rate, etc) all had significant imrovements from 2017 to 2018, which brought him from poor to average among NFL WRs in 2018.  The Bills know that they currently at least have a competent NFL receiver with a chance to improve to above average starter in his 3rd year.   If they move on from him, it has to be with the idea that another WR they might otherwise cut (Duke, Foster, McKenzie) will at least be able to match the average production with higher upside.   

 

 

 

Yup, and this was the basis of my February thread too.  

 

At this point, contracts will not factor into who they keep.  They are all cheap that are competing for a spot and it will be the guys they feel are best suited for the team.

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3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yup, and this was the basis of my February thread too.  

 

At this point, contracts will not factor into who they keep.  They are all cheap that are competing for a spot and it will be the guys they feel are best suited for the team.

Which lies in wait to be resurrected when/if he finds his way out of town on in the starting lineup.😉

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..FIRST inclination I've seen about "trade Zay".....how or why did this come about??.........

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1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

 Not sure Roberts a lock. As McKenzie can return punts and has shown to be a playmaker on offense.

 

 

c'mon now

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2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yup, and this was the basis of my February thread too.  

 

At this point, contracts will not factor into who they keep.  They are all cheap that are competing for a spot and it will be the guys they feel are best suited for the team.

I'm a Zay supporter but not delusional about him. He is at best a non-descript possession receiver. Will he get cut? I don't believe so. The issue for Zay is what is his worth? Under his current contract he has value. But when his contract expires he is not the type of receiver you will heavily pay for or worry about losing. If Zay doesn't become more consistent as a receiver (too many drops) the organization's decision about him will be easily made.  

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1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

..FIRST inclination I've seen about "trade Zay".....how or why did this come about??......…

It has come about because of an accumulation of unimpressive performances. Not necessarily noticeably bad but also not noticeably good. When you are primarily a possession receiver and are not particularly elusive, and you are inconsistent in catching the ball then you will have placed yourself in a precarious position. I still believe that he will make the roster but have less belief that he will be an impacting player.  

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2 hours ago, eee1776 said:

Yes-cut him. That holding call last night killed a nice run by McCoy. I believe 24 yards.

 

I'd trade him too. That said, the hold played a considerable role in that 24 yard scamper.

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1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I mean, this happens every year. The get rid of zay takes are about as silly as the Wade should made the 53 takes. I mean, these are just not serious takes.

 

If I told you at the beginning of the offseason that Zay would be playing special teams and deep into the 3rd preseason game you wouldn't have thought that was a serious take. They are putting him on the spot lately.

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3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

If I told you at the beginning of the offseason that Zay would be playing special teams and deep into the 3rd preseason game you wouldn't have thought that was a serious take. They are putting him on the spot lately.

I think what is happening is they want to keep extra WRs, so they need zay and others to play gunner. I think they keep fewer dbs for that reason. Zay is better suited for it then brown, Beasley, mac, or duke. And since zay isn’t a number 1, he is a good choice.

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59 minutes ago, skibum said:

he has a rapport with Josh Allen.

 

He does? I couldnt disagree more. They are rarely on the same page.

Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I think what is happening is they want to keep extra WRs, so they need zay and others to play gunner. I think they keep fewer dbs for that reason. Zay is better suited for it then brown, Beasley, mac, or duke. And since zay isn’t a number 1, he is a good choice.

 

Okay but why is Zay still playing in the 3rd quarter with Barkley throwing him the ball? How many roster locks at receiver are still playing with backups in preseason? The only 3 locks right now are Brown, Beasley, and Roberts. I'm starting to feel like McKenzie is a lock too. Nothing else would surprise me.

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    If they were willing to move on from Watkins this seems like a no- brainer. Duke Williams is out there making plays. Foster did last year too.

    When he was brought in , it was to be an immediate starter as I remember.

    Three years in and he doesn’t look like a legitimate 3 receiver. 

 

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5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

He does? I couldnt disagree more. They are rarely on the same page.

 

Okay but why is Zay still playing in the 3rd quarter with Barkley throwing him the ball? How many roster locks at receiver are still playing with backups in preseason? The only 3 locks right now are Brown, Beasley, and Roberts. I'm starting to feel like McKenzie is a lock too. Nothing else would surprise me.

To your first point, zay has more receptions from Allen than any other receiver. To your second, I just don’t find it that meaningful. If zay wasn’t the starting wr the entire year, I would read into it. But he has been, and remains, the first wr on the field at every turn. He also had like four more snaps than brown. It’s not a huge discrepancy. 

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23 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

..FIRST inclination I've seen about "trade Zay".....how or why did this come about??.........

 Zay played late into 4th quarter hence the speculation and in some cases the enthusiasm for said trade.  Personally I don't see it nor him getting cut. 

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If you can make a trade that makes our WR corps better this year, then go ahead. Good luck with that.

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2 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

To your first point, zay has more receptions from Allen than any other receiver.

 

This is a testament to how bad our receivers were last year. There is a reason they brought in multiple free agents at the position.

 

4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

To your second, I just don’t find it that meaningful. If zay wasn’t the starting wr the entire year, I would read into it. But he has been, and remains, the first wr on the field at every turn. He also had like four more snaps than brown. It’s not a huge discrepancy. 

 

Brown and Beasley are the only 2 receivers that have consistently been the starters. There is no question about their status on the team. Zay is getting subbed out for Roberts, Phillips, and the other 2nd string guys. He has not locked anything down at this point. Brown got nearly as many as snaps because he is always on the field with the starters and Zay is not. Zay is getting special teams and backup reps. I don't know how you can say he is a lock. My money would still be on him making the team but a trade wouldn't surprise me at all.

 

Read this blurb and tell me Zay doesn't know he is in trouble:

 

https://theathletic.com/1159248/2019/08/24/did-duke-williams-earn-a-roster-spot-whats-up-with-zay-jones-questions-abound-for-bills-receivers/

 

“I don’t know,” Jones said when asked what he makes of his role on special teams. “I don’t really know quite what to make of it. I’m just trying to do my role, whatever they tell me to do.”

“He’s a team-first guy and very unselfish in his approach,” McDermott said earlier this week. “He’s done everything we’ve asked and embraced his new role and playing special teams. We’re still defining roles at this point. I’ve been very appreciative of the way he’s handled it, and he continues to play tough football out there.”

 

What is Zay's "new role?" Somewhere along the way he has fallen out of favor with this coaching staff. He'll still probably make the team but let's be honest, he isn't going to be a cornerstone at this point. And anyone that isn't a cornerstone has their roster spot in jeopardy moving forward.

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Zay has no trade value at this time.  

 

He either performs or he gets cut.   

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2 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Not for nothing, but Zay also punched my dog, hates the Toy Story movies and eats his wings with Russian dressing.

 

No one will even trade a practice squad guy for him if this gets out.

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