MAJBobby Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Just now, May Day 10 said: Cyrus Kouandjio is a second round pick of the "Guardians" whoever they are actually he is the 22nd round pick. Second round in the OL phase (10 rounds). Already had the Skill Position Phase (10 rounds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Just bought a pair of Houston Roughnecks season tickets. My biggest selling point is on field passes for one game a year. The league Rosters read like a who's who of Bills training camp fodder from the Gailey/Marrone/Rex era. Even a few from McD. Bills: Cam Phillips (Houston) Gerhard de Beer (Houston) Josh Johnson (Los Angeles) Tyree Jackson (DC) Cardale Jones (DC) Keith Ford (St Louis) Joe Powell (St Louis) Other recognizeable Non Bills names: Matt McGloin (New York) Landry Jones (Dallas) Jake Schum (Tampa) (Punter for Packers and Bucs, Frontier High School, Buff State, and UB Alum) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 8/21/2019 at 1:04 PM, 4_kidd_4 said: Roughnecks coppin that old Oilers logo. ? Houston, Houston Roughnecks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 On 8/21/2019 at 12:22 PM, That's No Moon said: I was having a hard time placing the DC logo and why it made sense for the to be the Defenders and have the lightning. Then I remembered the SAC logo. Cool SAC logo but probably coincidence. Not a fan of Red and White alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 I have made this point a thousand times and eventually Someone will get smart and pick up on it: The only way another football league will work, is if they become a minor league of sorts for the nfl. If every nfl team had a developmental team to help mature talent, fans would watch. If you had a team of guys, (that the Bills had control over) it would matter to you. College football IS NOT A MINOR LEAGUE. You don’t have control over the players there. The nfl does not need this league, but the league needs the nfl. Give the nfl another revenue stream in the offseason and give the teams a chance to retain these fringe roster players, without taking a space on the 53. The teams could be made up of draft picks that weren’t ready to play in the nfl, undrafted free agents and ps guys. Maybe make the eligibility where if you dressed for a game during the NFL season, you can’t play in the minor league. The pieces are there it just needs to be worked out. A league will not stand on its own against the nfl. The fans won’t identify with any team. You need that little bit of built in rooting interest by pairing it with your nfl team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I have made this point a thousand times and eventually Someone will get smart and pick up on it: The only way another football league will work, is if they become a minor league of sorts for the nfl. If every nfl team had a developmental team to help mature talent, fans would watch. If you had a team of guys, (that the Bills had control over) it would matter to you. College football IS NOT A MINOR LEAGUE. You don’t have control over the players there. The nfl does not need this league, but the league needs the nfl. Give the nfl another revenue stream in the offseason and give the teams a chance to retain these fringe roster players, without taking a space on the 53. The teams could be made up of draft picks that weren’t ready to play in the nfl, undrafted free agents and ps guys. Maybe make the eligibility where if you dressed for a game during the NFL season, you can’t play in the minor league. The pieces are there it just needs to be worked out. A league will not stand on its own against the nfl. The fans won’t identify with any team. You need that little bit of built in rooting interest by pairing it with your nfl team. Your most likely spot on but what if people have grown so tired of Roger's BS ways around Cheating and Officiating it does catch on? I'm willing to watch, or give it a shot. Why can't some of these ex NFL players develop or get better? Why can't NFL teams still sign these players? Gotta start somewhere. If it weren't for the Bills being in my veins I'd be done with the NFL for many years now. Not to mention the insane cost to attend a game these days if you bring a crowd of people or family. Edited January 18, 2020 by Real McNasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Real McNasty said: Your most likely spot on but what if people have grown so tired of Roger's BS ways around Cheating and Officiating it does catch on? I'm willing to watch as give it a shot. If it weren't for the Bills being in my veins I'd be done with the NFL for many years now. Not to mention the insane cost to attend a game these days if you bring a crowd of people or family. I am not the person to ask because I’ll watch a bengals bears preseason game. I literally can’t get enough NFL and I’m in the minority that think the season is way to short. I think most people would be into it if they had skin in the game with a connection to their own team. I don’t know how successful it would be, but I know without an nfl connection...it will fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 The AAF at least had a system that closely resembled a minor league, with each team having former players from certain NFL teams/regions. They had former NFL front office people. If that didn't hold up for even one season, I don't see how the XFL is gonna last. I'm definitely gonna watch games, but there is not enough marketing and support to get the general population into this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 The NFL doesn’t want a minor league when they have the NCAA for free basically. That said I do believe there is a niche but whoever is running the league (Vince in this case) will have to endure a lot of losses the first few years until they build up a base and get a tv deal. How long and how much is he willing to lose the first few years is the question 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 56 minutes ago, Real McNasty said: Your most likely spot on but what if people have grown so tired of Roger's BS ways around Cheating and Officiating it does catch on? I'm willing to watch, or give it a shot. Why can't some of these ex NFL players develop or get better? Why can't NFL teams still sign these players? Gotta start somewhere. If it weren't for the Bills being in my veins I'd be done with the NFL for many years now. Not to mention the insane cost to attend a game these days if you bring a crowd of people or family. I am with you on this- I watched as many of the AAF as I have watched non Bills games this year. The officiating is too easy to fix for the NFL to allow it to be so bad. I will give the new league a shot and see what it brings. 45 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: The AAF at least had a system that closely resembled a minor league, with each team having former players from certain NFL teams/regions. They had former NFL front office people. If that didn't hold up for even one season, I don't see how the XFL is gonna last. I'm definitely gonna watch games, but there is not enough marketing and support to get the general population into this. The reason the AAF failed is no one with real money was backing it. Much of the league money was "pledged" from investors but not ever given to league. It also was thrown together in less than a year while XFL has been set for almost 2. XFL will last at least one full season and if it is not a complete crap show it will be there 2 minimum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I have made this point a thousand times and eventually Someone will get smart and pick up on it: The only way another football league will work, is if they become a minor league of sorts for the nfl. If every nfl team had a developmental team to help mature talent, fans would watch. If you had a team of guys, (that the Bills had control over) it would matter to you. College football IS NOT A MINOR LEAGUE. You don’t have control over the players there. The nfl does not need this league, but the league needs the nfl. Give the nfl another revenue stream in the offseason and give the teams a chance to retain these fringe roster players, without taking a space on the 53. The teams could be made up of draft picks that weren’t ready to play in the nfl, undrafted free agents and ps guys. Maybe make the eligibility where if you dressed for a game during the NFL season, you can’t play in the minor league. The pieces are there it just needs to be worked out. A league will not stand on its own against the nfl. The fans won’t identify with any team. You need that little bit of built in rooting interest by pairing it with your nfl team. The counterpoint everyone has made a thousand times is that the NFL has absolutely no need for a league full of former college and pro players who aren’t good enough to play in the NFL. Their talent will always come from NCAA. why would the league spend a dime “developing” college guys who couldn’t make a roster or league washouts who couldn’t stay on one. it makes zero sense. Really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I have made this point a thousand times and eventually Someone will get smart and pick up on it: The only way another football league will work, is if they become a minor league of sorts for the nfl. If every nfl team had a developmental team to help mature talent, fans would watch. If you had a team of guys, (that the Bills had control over) it would matter to you. College football IS NOT A MINOR LEAGUE. You don’t have control over the players there. The nfl does not need this league, but the league needs the nfl. Give the nfl another revenue stream in the offseason and give the teams a chance to retain these fringe roster players, without taking a space on the 53. The teams could be made up of draft picks that weren’t ready to play in the nfl, undrafted free agents and ps guys. Maybe make the eligibility where if you dressed for a game during the NFL season, you can’t play in the minor league. The pieces are there it just needs to be worked out. A league will not stand on its own against the nfl. The fans won’t identify with any team. You need that little bit of built in rooting interest by pairing it with your nfl team. But you have to put yourself in the NFL’s shoes. From their point of view, why? Sure some people might watch it. It will still be a battle to become profitable. The NFL is insanely profitable, why spend money trying to eek out a tiny fraction increase. In addition to that, they have all the minor league development they need in the NCAA. And the NCAA doesn’t require oversight or launching a league from scratch on the part of the NFL. 3 hours ago, Buffalo619 said: There is zero hype surrounding this new league. Will it have the legs to make it thru a full year, while hemorrhaging money? looks like another recipe for failure. I wouldn’t invest any personal money until confident this is going to work. Absolutely. McMahon cashed out a lot of WWE stock to make this happen. There is no chance he pulls the plug without a full season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: The reason the AAF failed is no one with real money was backing it. Much of the league money was "pledged" from investors but not ever given to league. It also was thrown together in less than a year while XFL has been set for almost 2. XFL will last at least one full season and if it is not a complete crap show it will be there 2 minimum. McMahon is the reason I think this will last at least one season. After that point, they'll need to make some big deals in order to stay alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: The counterpoint everyone has made a thousand times is that the NFL has absolutely no need for a league full of former college and pro players who aren’t good enough to play in the NFL. Their talent will always come from NCAA. why would the league spend a dime “developing” college guys who couldn’t make a roster or league washouts who couldn’t stay on one. it makes zero sense. Really I said, the nfl doesn’t need to do it. But if a league wants to make it, it needs the nfl. I think a place to stash and develop players is a good reason for the nfl. Also you can potentially get revenue and tv money in February and March. So there’s two reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Man there are a lot of former Bills on that DC team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I said, the nfl doesn’t need to do it. But if a league wants to make it, it needs the nfl. I think a place to stash and develop players is a good reason for the nfl. Also you can potentially get revenue and tv money in February and March. So there’s two reasons. The NFL disagrees with you. Also, it's not logical to believe the NFL would wan to sanction a league that is certain to fail. Why would they put that stink on themselves? Logic also concludes that if the NFL smelled a penny to be made in an alternate league in this country, they would have started one long ago, Edited January 18, 2020 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Roughnecks isn’t bad. The rest are incredibly generic. Like, unlicensed 1987 video game generic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 It's nice that Vince McMahon recognized that NY, LA and DC all needed more crappy football for fans to not enjoy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 There is no Boston team in this so at least we don't have to worry about cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 On 8/21/2019 at 2:50 PM, Codyny13 said: Would be nice to see teams in cities that don’t have NFL franchises already, but I’m sure they did their due diligence. St Louis did get one but I agree. San Antonio was available but Dallass and Houston got teams. 16 hours ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: Other recognizable Non Bills names: Jake Schum (Tampa) (Punter for Packers and Bucs, Frontier High School, Buff State, and UB Alum) He that is my high school and university. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 There are a lot of former bills in this league. I looked through all the rosters and couldn’t believe how many guys were here. If the xfl isn’t going to try and collaborate with the nfl, they should attempt to grab some : move the needle stars. -Antonio Brown -Kapernick -tebow -TO -Ocho cinco —Josh Gordon Etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: There are a lot of former bills in this league. I looked through all the rosters and couldn’t believe how many guys were here. If the xfl isn’t going to try and collaborate with the nfl, they should attempt to grab some : move the needle stars. -Antonio Brown -Kapernick -tebow -TO -Ocho cinco —Josh Gordon Etc Tebow has not been on an active roster since 2012. Eagles let him go in 2013 and he was not on New England's roster long enough in 2015 to find their QB secret stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Limeaid said: Tebow has not been on an active roster since 2012. Eagles let him go in 2013 and he was not on New England's roster long enough in 2015 to find their QB secret stuff. It’s not about them being great players. It’s about getting fans to have an interest in watching a new league. Tebow is one of the most polarizing sports figures of our generation. Would matter how he played. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 (edited) On 1/17/2020 at 5:24 PM, Buffalo619 said: There is zero hype surrounding this new league. Will it have the legs to make it thru a full year, while hemorrhaging money? looks like another recipe for failure. I wouldn’t invest any personal money until confident this is going to work. Financially speaking, Vince McMahon put up enough money to ensure that it an last three years. The last XFL had enough money to last another year if they wanted to, but knew they weren't gonna make money. I think they learned their lesson the last time, and it won't be so gimmicky. On 1/18/2020 at 9:09 AM, Limeaid said: St Louis did get one but I agree. San Antonio was available but Dallass and Houston got teams. He that is my high school and university. If they expand, I'm sure SA gets a team. While the AAF failed as a league, San Antonio's team drew 30-40k a game. What year did you graduate Frontier? 2008 here. On 1/18/2020 at 10:18 AM, Brianmoorman4jesus said: There are a lot of former bills in this league. I looked through all the rosters and couldn’t believe how many guys were here. If the xfl isn’t going to try and collaborate with the nfl, they should attempt to grab some : move the needle stars. -Antonio Brown -Kapernick -tebow -TO -Ocho cinco —Josh Gordon Etc Brown publicly stated he doesn't want to play. Kap, Tebow, too polarizing. Like @Brianmoorman4jesus said, doesn't matter how they play. Plus I feel this league will be marketed to the good ol' boys who claim they don't watch the NFL anymore, so Kap is out. OchoCinco actually wants to join as a kicker, as he's actually almost as good at soccer as he was at football. Edited January 20, 2020 by The Real Buffalo Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Rule differences. According to Wikipedia. Quote Kickoffs New XFL Kickoff Formation The league has an active interest in reviving the kickoffs as an element of the game. (This is in contrast to the AAF, which eliminated kickoffs outright, and the NFL and college football, both of which imposed rules minimizing the impact of the kickoff in the mid-2010s to improve player safety).[45] Many of these kickoff rules were adapted from rules created by The Spring League's predecessor, the Fall Experimental Football League.[46] The spot of the kickoff will be set at the kicking team's 25-yard line.[47] (The NFL and college standard is the 35-yard line.) However, members of the kicking team (excluding the kicker) will line up at the receiving team's 35-yard line and blockers on the receiving team must line up at their 30-yard line. Only the kicker and returner(s) can move until the ball is either caught or three seconds after it hits the ground. Kickoffs that go out of bounds, or fall short of the receiving team's 20-yard line,[48] will come to the kicking team's 45-yard line.[49] (The NFL and NCAA only require a kick travel 10 yards; kicks out of bounds are placed at the receiving team's 40 yard line.) The XFL will use two different types of touchbacks. A major touchback occurs when a kick travels into the endzone in the air, which would result in the receiving team taking possession at the 35. A minor touchback occurs when the ball bounces into the endzone, which would result in the receiving team taking possession at the 15. These rules discourage either team from purposefully taking a touchback. Teams can request to attempt an onside kick under more conventional kickoff rules. Punts The XFL will not allow gunners; all players on a punting team must remain on or behind the line of scrimmage until the ball is kicked. (This is a carryover from the original XFL, although that league had scrapped the rule midway through its only season. The coffin corner punt would be treated as touchbacks and brought to the 35-yard line. The attempts to neutralize punt coverage are made with the intention of encouraging more fourth-down conversions. The same touchback rules for kickoffs also applies to punts. Points after touchdown The extra point kick will be replaced with a scrimmage play, varying in point value depending on how far the touchdown-scoring team chooses to take the snap from the goal line: a two-yard attempt would score a single point, a five-yard attempt two points, and a ten-yard attempt three points. (This rule is also a carryover from the original XFL, which added the rule only for the playoffs. The Stars Football League also used the rule during its existence.) In the event the defense secures a turnover and returns the ball for a touchdown, the defensive team scores the same number of points as the offense was aiming to score. Double-forward pass Teams will be able to attempt two forward passes on the same play, so long as the ball never crosses the line of scrimmage before the second pass. Overtime Overtime will be decided by a five-round shootout of two-point conversions similar to a penalty shootout in soccer or ice hockey. (Such a shootout had never been attempted in organized football at the time the rule was proposed; in April 2019, the NCAA adopted a similar concept for games that reach a fifth overtime starting with the 2019 FBS season.) The defense is not able to score, as should a turnover occur, the play would be dead. Defensive penalties will result in the ball moving up to the 1-yard line, while a second defensive penalty on any play, even in future rounds, will result in a score awarded to the offensive team. To speed up the overtime process, both teams' offense and defense will be on the field at the appropriate end zone. Once one team's offense has completed its round of the shootout, the other team's offense plays its round from the opposite end zone.These overtime rules ensure that both teams have an opportunity to win the game and would limit overtime to 5 or 6 minutes. If both teams remain tied after five rounds, multiple rounds of conversions will be played until one team succeeds, thus ensuring that no game can end in a draw. Clock changes Outside of the two-minute warning, the clock will run continuously. During this time, the clock would only stop during a change of possession. This will reverse after the two-minute warning (which the XFL will use), after which the clock will stop after all plays from scrimmage until the ball is spotted and will revert to NFL timing rules otherwise, stopping after incomplete passes, advancing the ball out of bounds and spiking the football. (Arena football has long used a continuous clock with even fewer stoppages; Canadian football does not use a continuous clock, but stops the clock after all plays from scrimmage following that code's three-minute warning.) The play clock will be 25 seconds long measured from the spotting of the ball, roughly the same as the NCAA rule for plays when the clock is stopped. (This is five seconds longer than the CFL rule, which is 20 seconds from the spotting of the ball. The XFL's efforts to speed up spotting are aimed to make the two lengths of time nearly the same, 30 to 32 seconds overall.) The NFL standard is 40 seconds from the end of the previous play, also used during the NCAA during plays when the clock is running; the AAF and previous XFL measure was 35 seconds from the end of the previous play. In conjunction with this rule, the XFL has proposed placing a one-way radio into all offensive players' helmets to allow the offensive coordinator to run a no-huddle offense and call plays directly to all of the players from the sidelines. This would eliminate the need for a huddle. Teams will be given two time-outs per half instead of three. Instant replay reviews will be limited to 60 seconds.[59] There will be no coach's challenges; the sky judge will originate all reviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I'm interested to see their PAT ideas in action 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 11:26 AM, Limeaid said: Tebow has not been on an active roster since 2012. Eagles let him go in 2013 and he was not on New England's roster long enough in 2015 to find their QB secret stuff. He plays AAA baseball for Syracuse. Hes not good at baseball, but helps sell tickets! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 They start in a week. Feb 8th. every game will be televised Live on multiple networks. With Primetime games in the final weeks. Championship will be the day after the NFL Draft cant wait to watch how their rules work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) Can’t wait for the 25 second clock. As well as the clock stops on all plays within the comeback window. Here is their Rules and how it compares to nfl. https://www.xfl.com/rules then Dean Blandino is the head of XFL Officiating. Edited January 23, 2020 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Can’t wait for the 25 second clock. As well as the clock stops on all plays within the comeback window. Here is their Rules and how it compares to nfl. https://www.xfl.com/rules then Dean Blandino is the head of XFL Officiating. It’s an interesting set of rules. I hope they do a good job during gameplay of going over a lot of this stuff. I like some of the game day announcers too. They seem to have a much better backing from the networks than previous startup leagues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 4:18 PM, Brianmoorman4jesus said: There are a lot of former bills in this league. I looked through all the rosters and couldn’t believe how many guys were here. If the xfl isn’t going to try and collaborate with the nfl, they should attempt to grab some : move the needle stars. -Antonio Brown -Kapernick -tebow -TO -Ocho cinco —Josh Gordon Etc Signing those 6 would cause more fans to switch off than switch on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Here is their broadcast schedule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Here is their broadcast schedule Are these nationally broadcasts or local stations (outside of ESPN)? If national, color me impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mango said: Are these nationally broadcasts or local stations (outside of ESPN)? If national, color me impressed. From what I understand they are all nationally televised 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Crafty old Vince McMahon got that WWE deal with fox and it looks like the XFL has the same backing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 9:18 AM, Brianmoorman4jesus said: There are a lot of former bills in this league. I looked through all the rosters and couldn’t believe how many guys were here. If the xfl isn’t going to try and collaborate with the nfl, they should attempt to grab some : move the needle stars. -Antonio Brown -Kapernick -tebow -TO -Ocho cinco —Josh Gordon Etc Kaep isn't going to do anything unless they give him 20 mil a year. I'd bet Brown is in that same boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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